Sage of Sixpaths, Madara and Obito not perfect Jins?

[Seventh Sama]

While you bring up an interesting point, the Ten Tails doesn't have a sentient mind like Kurama or the other Bijuu do.

The rules for being the Ten Tail Jin may be very different.

Well it doesn't make any sense that the juubi doesn't have a "mind" yet pieces of its own chakra do have one....

 

[kunde]

Yeah they all might have forcefully sealed the juubi but they possess ocular powers which enables them to control Bijuu's/Juubi. For ex: Sharingan can easily manipulate even Kyuubi while simple Gedo mazo requires Rin'negan to control. For uchiha's it would be easier to harness the chakra of Bijuu's because of sharingan than non-uchiha's like Naruto who went through all those training in Island. If you know what i mean.

So IMPO Rin'negan grants the power to control the Juubi just like sharingan gives the ability to manipulate the Bijuu's.

Well it doesn't make any sense that the juubi doesn't have a "mind" yet pieces of its own chakra do have one....

Sage created them and gave them consciousness, otherwise they would have simply become 9 mindless beasts like their mother.

 

[Captain Incognito]

I just read Sage of Sixpacks...sleep deprivation is a bad thing.

OT: I don't think a perfect Juubi-Jin can and/or will exist.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yeah they all might have forcefully sealed the juubi but they possess ocular powers which enables them to control Bijuu's/Juubi. For ex: Sharingan can easily manipulate even Kyuubi while simple Gedo mazo requires Rin'negan to control. For uchiha's it would be easier to harness the chakra of Bijuu's because of sharingan than non-uchiha's like Naruto who went through all those training in Island. If you know what i mean.

So IMPO Rin'negan grants the power to control the Juubi just like sharingan gives the ability to manipulate the Bijuu's.



Sage created them and gave them consciousness, otherwise they would have simply become 9 mindless beasts like their mother.

Where the hell implies that the sage gave them a conscious? The manga stated he just created them with the juubi's chakra and that's still forcing them to use their power... Perfect jinchuuriki control>>> sharingan & rinnegan control...

 

[Flakez]

That's why Naruto will gain greater mode.

 

[kunde]

What the hell implies that the sage gave them a conscious? The manga stated he just created them with the juubi's chakra and that's still forcing them to use their power... Perfect jinchuuriki control>>> sharingan control...

If sage did not then who did?. Isn't it true that he created them? Isn't it true that they are different than Juubi?. Why would sage create 9 bijuu's and not give them consciousness? To simply increase the disaster by 9 folds? Isn't it clear even if manga doesn't say so?

And yeah i agree that Perfect jinchuriki control > Sharingan control. My post was was pure speculation regarding the OP's point. I was only saying Rin'negan might be allowing the ability to the user to control the Juubi and harness it's chakra to the extent of Perfect Jinchuriki.

 

[Seventh Sama]

If sage did not then who did?. Isn't it true that he created them? Isn't it true that they are different than Juubi?. Why would sage create 9 bijuu's and not give them consciousness? To simply increase the disaster by 9 folds? Isn't it clear even if manga doesn't say so?

And yeah i agree that Perfect jinchuriki control > Sharingan control. My post was was pure speculation regarding the OP's point. I was only saying Rin'negan might be allowing the ability to the user to control the Juubi and harness it's chakra to the extent of Perfect Jinchuriki.

The bijuu are sentient because of the mental energy in them...so technically when they were first "born", they were already sentient . I doubt that they were mindless when born then the sage somehow gave them a mind... Well, the rinnegan just binds the bijuu, you can control them but you would need to impale those chakra rods into them. Despite having control over them, tobi noted that he couldn't completely control the bijuus with the rods.. Unless madara has some unknown tech that fully controls the juubi then I'll take back what I said...

 

[Dantee]

i'm actually still wondering how they are even using it's power. when naruto wanted to use the nine tails power, he either had to ask for it or take it by force. in order to use it to the extent he has first he took a huge portion of chakra, before than befriending him. obito had that relatively quick struggle with the juubi, but he did nothing like what naruto had to do. madara on the other hand just straight up sealed it inside him and started using the power like it was nothing. it makes no sense that they are able to use it so easily, unless the fact that the version they have really has no consciousness aided them with simply gaining the power.

That's a good question and I've wondered that myself. Kunde brought up a good point about the Rinnegan having the ability to control the Juubi. Just how they have the ability to summon and control Gedo Mazo.

The 9 tails was forcefully sealed inside Naruto and they eventually became friends. I just don't think there is enough proof to say that he wasn't friends with the 10 tails at this point. Maybe Kishi will give us the answers but that would require flashbacks so NB would probably flame over it.

There isn't proof for either sides to say they were friends or not. Imo no they weren't friends. Why would the Sage split his body otherwise?

This is a really nice thought.

We've yet to see anyone even try communicating with the Juubi, so we'll see where this goes.

We saw the Juubi see the Sage of Six Paths in Naruto so it obviously has intelligence.

Of course. The Juubi has a conscious, it wanted it's chakra back. It couldn't have been mindless

While you bring up an interesting point, the Ten Tails doesn't have a sentient mind like Kurama or the other Bijuu do.

The rules for being the Ten Tail Jin may be very different.

So the nine beasts can have a mind but not the Juubi?

Yeah they all might have forcefully sealed the juubi but they possess ocular powers which enables them to control Bijuu's/Juubi. For ex: Sharingan can easily manipulate even Kyuubi while simple Gedo mazo requires Rin'negan to control. For uchiha's it would be easier to harness the chakra of Bijuu's because of sharingan than non-uchiha's like Naruto who went through all those training in Island. If you know what i mean.

So IMPO Rin'negan grants the power to control the Juubi just like sharingan gives the ability to manipulate the Bijuu's.



Sage created them and gave them consciousness, otherwise they would have simply become 9 mindless beasts like their mother.

Manga proof about the Juubi being mindless?

 

[kunde]

The bijuu are sentient because of the mental energy in them...so technically when they were first "born", they were already sentient . I doubt that they were mindless when born then the sage somehow gave them a mind... Well, the rinnegan just binds the bijuu, you can control them but you would need to impale those chakra rods into them. Despite having control over them, tobi noted that he couldn't completely control the bijuus with the rods.. Unless madara has some unknown tech that fully controls the juubi then I'll take back what I said...

Oh i see, what i meant was he gave them consciousnesses while creating them using CoAT not later. He created them with consciousness.

Well thats technical part, we can't say anything right now for sure so no need to take back what you said. My assumption is based on the Rin'negan. Both Obito and Madara had rinnegan before becoming jinchuriki of the Juubi. If it was sharingan alone then they wouldn't have become Jinchuriki's at all because Rin'negan is essential to control just Gado mazou, i just extended this logic to Juubi thats all. W/o Rinnegan you cannot control Juubi and w/o controlling Juubi you cannot become it's Jinchuriki and use it's chakra.

Manga proof about the Juubi being mindless?

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[Dantee]

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So it really is mindless. So it fought the sage for the chakra with pure instinct. Well I guess that makes sense in a way. It is a tree.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

No proof Sage wasn't friends with the 10 tails is there?

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Seeing RS in Naruto pretty much pissed the Juubi, that's not a reaction in seeing an image of "your old buddy"

@OP: Yes, neither the three of them were Perfect Jins, they're in JCM or Juubi Chakra Mode

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I wouldn't be too sure about that, it displayed sentience, recognition and anger in seeing Rikudou in Naruto, it obviously has feelings and ideals, it even went so far as to specifically target Naruto when it was in control of Obito, even uttering the name "O...bi...to?" when Minato referred to him as such.

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[Seventh Sama]

So it really is mindless. So it fought the sage for the chakra with pure instinct. Well I guess that makes sense in a way. It is a tree.

Well it showed signs of intelligence... Like it recognized the sages essence in naruto and it even clamped its hands together to gather more chakra. well, this is an assumption on my part but I believe that there's one last form... A "sentient" form.

 

[Dantee]

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Seeing RS in Naruto pretty much pissed the Juubi, that's not a reaction in seeing an image of "your old buddy"

@OP: Yes, neither the three of them were Perfect Jins, they're in JCM or Juubi Chakra Mode



I wouldn't be too sure about that, it displayed sentience, recognition and anger in seeing Rikudou in Naruto, it obviously has feelings and ideals, it even went so far as to specifically target Naruto when it was in control of Obito, even uttering the name "O...bi...to?" when Minato referred to him as such.

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I completely forgot about this part. I hope we get to see this part of the Juubi once again.

Well it showed signs of intelligence... Like it recognized the sages essence in naruto and it even clamped its hands together to gather more chakra. well, this is an assumption on my part but I believe that there's one last form... A "sentient" form.

That would be dope. I would've liked a more alive Juubi. One that can talk and act on it's own. I didn't think Madara and Obito would have such a easy time controlling it. No doubt they arent perfect Jins.

 

[fandum]

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Seeing RS in Naruto pretty much pissed the Juubi, that's not a reaction in seeing an image of "your old buddy"

@OP: Yes, neither the three of them were Perfect Jins, they're in JCM or Juubi Chakra Mode



I wouldn't be too sure about that, it displayed sentience, recognition and anger in seeing Rikudou in Naruto, it obviously has feelings and ideals, it even went so far as to specifically target Naruto when it was in control of Obito, even uttering the name "O...bi...to?" when Minato referred to him as such.

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Yeah I said I was wrong I had forgot about that

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's not really Kishimoto's style to make dichotomies without emotional dynamics, Naruto vs Sasuke, Hashirama vs Madara, etc. it's out of character for him to dichotomize Rikudou with a mindless creature, the emotional dynamics must be present, and yes, we'll get to see Juubi again, since it would leave a gaping plot hole if there is no explanation or further exposition on why Juubi saw RS in Naruto

 

[kunde]

Once again SDO solo's lol

 

[fandum]

Once again SDO solo's lol

~ Sky ~ was actually the one the reminded me about the 10 tails having a hardon for Naruto