Itachi is not on Nagato's level

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Healthy Nagato beats Healthy Itachi

But considering that he was so nerfed when they were alive, I actually consider these two characters to be equal in a sense, it just looked like Kishimoto was trying to portray that.

-He had to shinra tensei amaterasu and it did hurt him. But then again Kabuto was controlling him at the time, so Nagato can definitely handle it.

-Neither Yata nor Totsuka can be absorbed, considering that they are spiritual entities not made of chakra. Only susanno can be absorbed, but we also know that these weapons don't even have to be attached to susanno to be used, hence why Orochimaru desired them for himself. Kabuto also knew this, that's why he didn't bother having Nagato absorb Totsuka when it pierced him. It would do nothing.

-No. Nagato is still susceptible to Izanami (he thought he was a god), Kotoamatsukami, and Tsukiyomi, all of which are more potent than frog song. The claim that rinnegan is immuned to any genjutsu from sharingan users is completely baseless. In fact, having a higher dojoutsu does not make you immuned to genjutsu from lower dojutsu, this was even proven by Zetsu when he stated that Sasuke (3-tomoe) would have a slim chance at genjutsuing Itachi (Mangekyo sharingan). Those 3 genjutsu are harming Nagato if Itachi manages to pull them off.

-It doesn't matter if the animal summons' turn invisible, considering that Itachi has the sharingan and can see chakra. Nagato is crippled which is a huge disadvantage, the animal summons' are not very fast and Itachi even blinded all of them using a simple shuriken jutsu.

-Shukaku Nara also stated that Itachi is the only shinobi capable of manipulating people w/ genjutsu out of a sensor's range, which renders the fact that Nagato is a sensor useless.

-Apparently he cannot just bansho tenin Itachi's eyes out, considering that Kabuto didn't have Nagato do this back when they were Edos.

-Shinra tensei and the rest of Nagato's attacks also have a time limit which is 5 minutes. If he uses a large scale attack he's vulnerable for that amount of time. Also, Itachi can deflect all of Nagato's attacks with Yata Mirror, so why would you even state this?

-Yata Mirror>Asura rockets and laser beams

Nagato stated that someone who is in the top 20 like Jiraiya would have defeated him if he knew his secret. Why? Because Nagato is in no condition to fight by himself when he was alive. At the Leaf, Konan had to be his bodyguard and that is why the paths do the work for him. He is crippled and can hardly move due to the strain the rinnegan put on his body. If Jiraiya knew his secret, when he held up the paths with that Frog Song genjutsu, he would have gone directly to where the real Nagato was and easily killed him. Also, the paths have shared vision, so if Itachi used Tsukiyomi, Kotoamatsukami, or Izanami on them, wouldn't they all be affected? lol. Itachi even knew Nagato's secret and would defeat Nagato w/ that intel.

Alive Itachi and Alive Nagato as we saw them were equal according to Kishi's portrayal(Nagato was seriously nerfed. Couldn't even fight on his own and had to use the paths. In a fight though, Itachi has a good chance of winning due to knowing his secret, but it could go either way. Nagato said that Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret so I would give this to Itachi, extremely high diff)

Edo Itachi>Edo Nagato because Edo Nagato has no sealing techs for Edo Tenseis

Healthy Alive Nagato>>>>Healthy Alive Itachi for very obvious reasons.

Well said sir. Although that last part. We have no idea what their capabilites are when they are healty though. Nagato used the dragon and went crippled after that. His feet did get burned but i think those rods did a number on him too. He only shown rinnegan techs after summoning the gedo and going cripple. Maybe ge couldn't even use his full arsenal in his healthy form. I think Kishi did have some plot hole too. How does madara get revived with rinnegans but Nagato without usable legs? Thats just ridiculous. Not even that his hair was white too. If kabuto gave nagato the premium package, the war would have ended when nagato met up with naruto. Also not controlling Itachi and Nagato completely was his downfall too. They were giving Naruto and Bee advice.
 

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Do you really believe jiraiya can win?? He got solo by half kumura, while pain go head on to capture a full tails

Yeah but a <b <c doesnt work with Narutoverse. Jiraiya would have kept his gaurd or gone to kill Nagato like the guy said. If he used all 6 vs Jiraiya then all 6 would have been caught in genjutsu.
 

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Itachi beated nagato(naruto and bee help obviously was not needed)
Itachi countered all nagato jutsu

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OT: Isn't it obvious Nagato is far way on another level
 

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Yeah but a <b <c doesnt work with Narutoverse. Jiraiya would have kept his gaurd or gone to kill Nagato like the guy said. If he used all 6 vs Jiraiya then all 6 would have been caught in genjutsu.

I thought the pains spreaded pretty quick, faster than yellow flash. That's why not all got caugh up while they in same battle ground. Yea the abc theory started in part one when itachi said he would get stomped by jiraiya, but now I think is more like an easy way out cuz itachi rather killed his whole clan than kill a fly in konoha
 

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OT: Isn't it obvious Nagato is far way on another level

I think this god believe in narutotism and worshipping naruto XD
 

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That was Edo Nagato and Naruto and Bee were needed alot

OT: Any form of Nagato is stronger then Itachi

They were needed for what? Nagato sucked up Bees chakra and became as mobile and strong as the "Prime" Nagato.
Edo Itachi fought Edo Prime Nagato, not the crippled one, and he easily defeated him, make sure of that.

Amaterasu once, cut his hand off with susanoo second time, THEN, only after Nagato sucked Bee's chakra out, did he cast Chibaku Tensei and guess who came up with a plan to cancel it a few panels after seeing the jutsu? Oh yeah, Itachi.

Bee and Naruto were more of a burden to the fight, Itachi had to save them before fighting nagato.
Saying Itachi got help from them is ridiculous, when in fact, Nagato became more vigurous by taking Bee's chakra.

So in reality Bee actually helped Nagato become stronger. How did that help Itachi?

@Chie
Healthy Nagato beats Healthy Itachi???

In the Edo Fight, they were both healthy.
Itachi fought without sickness and after taking Bee's chakra, Nagato was already healthy before Itachi came in to the battle, and still defeated him.
What are you talking about? =D
 

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That's true,but it will be hard for him to deal with Itachi's so'sanou..
 

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I thought the pains spreaded pretty quick, faster than yellow flash. That's why not all got caugh up while they in same battle ground. Yea the abc theory started in part one when itachi said he would get stomped by jiraiya, but now I think is more like an easy way out cuz itachi rather killed his whole clan than kill a fly in konoha

No. Itachi was working for Konoha as a spy in Akatsuki, why would he kill Jiraiya, which was also working for Konoha?
Rather escape and lie about not being strong enough to fight someone, than kill him and pretty much abandoning your mission as a spy, turning AGAINST konoha.

L.E.: Everything he did, was for the good of the village. How would killing Jiraiya benefit Konoha?
 
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No shit sherlock. Pound for pound, Nagato is stronger than Itachi. However, that does NOT mean Itachi has zero percent chance of beating him in a fight. He's still vulnerable to moves such as Tsukyomi, izanami etc
 

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^This. Itachi is overkill for Jiraiya & Kisame+Itachi is way way overkill. That was proven when Itachi had the chance to amaterasu Jiraiya who was standing 8 ft away, but instead turned around and used it on the frog stomach. He was only there using Naruto as an excuse so the Akatsuki wouldn't suspect anything. Itachi wanted Danzo to hear of his presence so that he would remember the deal about not laying a finger on Sasuke.
 

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What about Totsuka Blade? Amaterasu?(killed his puppets and Nagato).

to the OP.
Kishi says Itachi is similar in strength(imo above, to you below, in any case...SIMILAR) to Nagato.
Saying he is not on Nagato's level is already wrong because manga says otherwise, doesnt matter what your fancy imagination chooses to believe.

Kish's manga > Your opinion.

/thread xD
 

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Obviously Nagato is much stronger than Itachi. No one would ever at any moment deny that. But they are equal and Itachi has a good chance of defeating him, because Nagato has the least answers to Itachi's arsenal compared to all the other arsenals of ninja in the series. Itachi also doesn't have answers to a few of the things in Nagato's arsenal. They're even due to that and various other reasons previously stated.
 

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Obviously Nagato is much stronger than Itachi. No one would ever at any moment deny that. But they are equal and Itachi has a good chance of defeating him, because Nagato has the least answers to Itachi's arsenal compared to all the other arsenals of ninja in the series. Itachi also doesn't have answers to a few of the things in Nagato's arsenal. They're even due to that and various other reasons previously stated.
I believe Itachi showed more versatility in his arsenal, like the flamin kunais, i didnt see that coming lol.
And again, Itachi has more answers to Nagato's arsenal than Nagato has to Itachi's.

He can analyze a jutsu's weakness in seconds, where as Nagato has not been shown to be able to do that. Itachi's amount of all kinds of jutsus(from genjutsu to highly-skilled shuriken techniques, to susanoo and sealing powers like totsuka blade), makes me believe anything Nagato throws at him will be analyzed and eventually defeated like it happened already.

Plus, Itachi's analytic skills and intelligence puts him beyond Nagato, imo.
Nagato has raw power, but so does Itachi. Totsuka Blade, Yaya Mirror(no stupid 5 second rule xD), Amaterasu, thats raw power. Amaterasu doesnt go away until it burned what it was supposed to burn right? Thats raw power.

Intelligence will make the difference, and at that we can surely say Itachi > Nagato.

L.E.: Dude. Obviously Nagato is much stronger than Itachi. But they are equal and Itachi has a good chance of defeating him

What?? =D
so which one are you backing up now? I'm confused :))
 
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No shit sherlock. Pound for pound, Nagato is stronger than Itachi. However, that does NOT mean Itachi has zero percent chance of beating him in a fight. He's still vulnerable to moves such as Tsukyomi, izanami etc

Stfu mate . Clearly it's not obvious for everyone since tards disagree . Tsukyomi won't do shiet so does izanami. Rinnegan > ems . Itachi gets stomped by a soul sucking dragon
 
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