Most underrated NBA record

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In 1961-1962 nba season Wilt Chamberlain averaged 48.5 minutes a game, for the entire season. That's right he played more than the regulation time, he played every minute of every game except for one game where he missed the final 8 minutes after getting thrown out. People talk about lebron being the greatest athlete in nba history, but sorry he can't come close to that amount of stamina. Being a 7"1 275 pound guy makes it even more crazy.

In that same season chamberlain averaged 50
Points and 25 rebounds a game.

Also to put in perspective, they played at a faster pace, and sometimes 3 games in 3 days. Also wilt had insomnia and rarely got 4 hours of sleep. That's freakin insane...

Lebron was exhausted the next game after scoring his 62 points.
 

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I don't know much about sports, but damn, that's impressive :)
 

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Super impressive.... Russell still dominated him every time they played though. Just wanted to go along with your theme. Russell is by far the most underrated player in most regions of the US. Great stat find though + rep!
 

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sigh the competition level was far too low back then
 

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Super impressive.... Russell still dominated him every time they played though. Just wanted to go along with your theme. Russell is by far the most underrated player in most regions of the US. Great stat find though + rep!

Wilt averaged 28.7 points and 28.7 boards for his career against Russell. Russell averaged 14.7 points and 23.7 boards against chamberlain. Russell played with 7 hall of famers. Chamberlain was the better individual player. Russell was the better team player, and had the better team around him.
 

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I would be impressed if he didn't play in the sixties when the competition was low,and like two or three guys dominated the league and eveybody else sucked.
 

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I would be impressed if he didn't play in the sixties when the competition was low,and like two or three guys dominated the league and eveybody else sucked.

Don't see how that affects his stamina...? They even played at a faster pace....here's the sixties starting 5

Oscar robertson
Jerry west
Elgin Baylor
Bill Russell
Wilt chamberlain

For all the hate that era gets, it boasts one of the greatest starting 5's.

Also, they didn't get the modern nutritional training the players today get, if you put lebron in the 60's you would have to take away the training, nutrition, high class flights, coaching, AAU teams etc.
 

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Wilt averaged 28.7 points and 28.7 boards for his career against Russell. Russell averaged 14.7 points and 23.7 boards against chamberlain. Russell played with 7 hall of famers. Chamberlain was the better individual player. Russell was the better team player, and had the better team around him.

Absolutely Wilt had better stats, especially in regular season games which don't matter nearly as much. What Russell did couldn't necessarily be put into stats at the time or even now. Lets narrow the stats available to those from playoff games:

Russell: 4.8 FG
Wilt: 9.1 FG

Unfortunately many staple stats such as assists, blocks(advantage Russell in these match ups), and even rebounds were not kept. Lets agree and say that Wilt was the FAR FAR FAR superior athlete. Russell, a severely undersized big man, held wilt to 9.1 FG made per game in head to head match-ups. This is the same man that dropped a hundred in a game because he was so athletically superior, being held to 9.1 FG a game against an undersized and less athletic man playing man to man defense (no double teams). Wilt was also a notoriously selfish player (hundred point game... come on) leaving him far under Russell in the assist category. Back to blocks, Russell runs away with this one by the way (watch the film, just amazing how his defensive mind worked), Russell would block the shot directly to the outlet man already breaking out. Turning a great defensive play into easy offense. What flaws Russell in the minds on many modern fans was how his strengths didn't match up well with a stat sheet. Think of Unseld the same way in this regard, but to a lesser extent.

I can't argue that Wilt wasn't fantastic, he was its true. But it is simply one of the most ignorant basketball statements I have ever heard to say that Bill Russell was a horrible big man. Watch the film my man, there is a reason he is held to such a pristine level amongst his contemporaries of the modern era. They've watched the film and seen that no one player affected a game more than he did.
 
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I hate when people talk crap about the sixties like it was a bad era. The players back in the day actually knew how to play basketball fundamentally unlike now where it's basically who's the most athletic. Put wilt and Russell in this era they'll still be top 10 players of all time.
 

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Absolutely Wilt had better stats, especially in regular season games which don't matter nearly as much. What Russell did couldn't necessarily be put into stats at the time or even now. Lets narrow the stats available to those from playoff games:

Russell: 4.8 FG
Wilt: 9.1 FG

Unfortunately many staple stats such as assists, blocks(advantage Russell in these match ups), and even rebounds were not kept. Lets agree and say that Wilt was the FAR FAR FAR superior athlete. Russell, a severely undersized big man, held wilt to 9.1 FG made per game in head to head match-ups. This is the same man that dropped a hundred in a game because he was so athletically superior, being held to 9.1 FG a game against an undersized and less athletic man playing man to man defense (no double teams). Wilt was also a notoriously selfish player (hundred point game... come on) leaving him far under Russell in the assist category. Back to blocks, Russell runs away with this one by the way (watch the film, just amazing how his defensive mind worked), Russell would block the shot directly to the outlet man already breaking out. Turning a great defensive play into easy offense. What flaws Russell in the minds on many modern fans was how his strengths didn't match up well with a stat sheet. Think of Unseld the same way in this regard, but to a lesser extent.

I can't argue that Wilt wasn't fantastic, he was its true. But it is simply one of the most ignorant basketball statements I have ever heard to say that Bill Russell was a horrible big man. Watch the film my man, there is a reason he is held to such a pristine level amongst his contemporaries of the modern era. They've watched the film and seen that no one player affected a game more than he did.

Woah woah woah! When did I say Russell was horrible?!?! I just said wilt was better! Which he was.

Blocks? Wilt. He blocked 26 shots in one game. 26. Here's how it goes, wilt blocked more shots, Russell was the smarter shot blocker (shot block outlet pass)

Russell was not a better passer. Wilt is the only center in NBA history to lead the league in assists. He was selfish alright. Wilts career high in assists was 8.6, Russell's was 4.3.

Get this. In the 1967 nba playoff series, 76ers vs celtics...wilt AVERAGED a triple double against Russell the entire series. And had an unofficial QUINTUPLE double. Wilt is the only player to have a triple double double 21 points 22 assists 25 rebounds.

Wilt has 8 career 40 point 40 rebound games. Russel has none

Wilt has 121 30 point 30 rebound games. Russell has 7.

Wilt set an nba record grabbing 55 rebounds against Russell in 1960.

Wilt scored 62 points against Russell, Russell scored 30 or more points only two times against wilt.

Russell is the second greatest center of all time, behind wilt.
 

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Don't see how that affects his stamina...? They even played at a faster pace....here's the sixties starting 5

Oscar robertson
Jerry west
Elgin Baylor
Bill Russell
Wilt chamberlain

For all the hate that era gets, it boasts one of the greatest starting 5's.

Also, they didn't get the modern nutritional training the players today get, if you put lebron in the 60's you would have to take away the training, nutrition, high class flights, coaching, AAU teams etc.

It doesn't really effect his stamina,or how much he plays,I was mostly referring to the part where you said he averaged 50 points a game and 25 rebounds a game.I seriously doubt he could do that in today's game with all the competition.
 

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It doesn't really effect his stamina,or how much he plays,I was mostly referring to the part where you said he averaged 50 points a game and 25 rebounds a game.I seriously doubt he could do that in today's game with all the competition.

No he couldn't, because the game speed is different. Funny thing is, for all the bad rap the 60's centers get, today is even worse. Dwight Howard on wilt? C'mon now. There are no bill Russell's today. Wilt would be just as dominate, only reason why he couldn't have the stats is because of game speed.

Wilt was 7"1 275
Ran a 4.4 40 yard dash. (Faster than lebron as fast as adrian peterson)
Benched 550 pounds (shaq benched 460)
Had a 48 inch vertical (as high as Michael Jordan)
Etc

That's without modern training

Give him modern technology? Yikes.
 

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I agree. Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Willis reed, bob petit were all terrible big men.

All those stats are fair and quite impressive. I'll admit I do have a bias here as I grew up in New England and I bleed green (watched over 75% of the Celtics' games the year BEFORE KG and Jesus came. Yeah, I'm that guy.) Wilt was definitely the superior player, end of conversation. I definitely spoke hastily with my first statement, let the homer get out of me. My argument is that I think Russell did more for his team than Wilt did. I would have rather built a team around a man, in Russell, who mentally played the game three times before tip off and would get so nervous before games that he would vomit (losing terrified him that much, the man cared about every possession), than a man who had to be traded twice... in his prime... what? Wilt was a phenomenally gifted player, but Russell made his teammates better in so many more ways.
 

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All those stats are fair and quite impressive. I'll admit I do have a bias here as I grew up in New England and I bleed green (watched over 75% of the Celtics' games the year BEFORE KG and Jesus came. Yeah, I'm that guy.) Wilt was definitely the superior player, end of conversation. I definitely spoke hastily with my first statement, let the homer get out of me. My argument is that I think Russell did more for his team than Wilt did. I would have rather built a team around a man, in Russell, who mentally played the game three times before tip off and would get so nervous before games that he would vomit (losing terrified him that much, the man cared about every possession), than a man who had to be traded twice... in his prime... what? Wilt was a phenomenally gifted player, but Russell made his teammates better in so many more ways.

Don't worry about that, I was being sarcastic because the dude I was replying too said there was no competition. So I showed him a list of hall of fame centers wilt played against (there is More than that too) obviously I don't think Russell and Jabbar were terrible. Both are in my top 6 nba players of all time haja, so don't worry. With that said, I understand your bias and I agree, I would choose Russell when building a team. I do feel wilt was the far superior individual player, not even close. But it's teams that when titles, and nobody did it better than Russell.
 

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Don't worry about that, I was being sarcastic because the dude I was replying too said there was no competition. So I showed him a list of hall of fame centers wilt played against (there is More than that too) obviously I don't think Russell and Jabbar were terrible. Both are in my top 6 nba players of all time haja, so don't worry. With that said, I understand your bias and I agree, I would choose Russell when building a team. I do feel wilt was the far superior individual player, not even close. But it's teams that when titles, and nobody did it better than Russell.

Wow, can't believe I missed the context behind that... the homer really came out tonight. Completely agree. Side Note, would love to see these two planted into the modern NBA, wouldn't be able to pull me away from watching a game. They would both still be phenomenal.
 

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No he couldn't, because the game speed is different. Funny thing is, for all the bad rap the 60's centers get, today is even worse. Dwight Howard on wilt? C'mon now. There are no bill Russell's today. Wilt would be just as dominate, only reason why he couldn't have the stats is because of game speed.

Wilt was 7"1 275
Ran a 4.4 40 yard dash. (Faster than lebron as fast as adrian peterson)
Benched 550 pounds (shaq benched 460)
Had a 48 inch vertical (as high as Michael Jordan)
Etc

That's without modern training

Give him modern technology? Yikes.
Yeah there isn't a lot of good real centers,the center position has been ruined because a lot of them turned into jump shooters.Really the only pure centers in the league are Dwight Howard and Paul Hibbert and a couple others.
 

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Wow, can't believe I missed the context behind that... the homer really came out tonight. Completely agree. Side Note, would love to see these two planted into the modern NBA, wouldn't be able to pull me away from watching a game. They would both still be phenomenal.

It's all good! Yes, yes they would! Both superb athletes and track stars as big men! I've never seen two big men run the floor like them. Great talk man, very few people know solid NBA history.
 
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