A serious thread regarding SSM

[Tazzilla88]

Honestly, Slug Sage Mode for Tsunade makes a lot of sense and people will continue to mock the idea but the existence of slug sage mode is high if one interprets the manga without bias. A lot of people will say that speculation regarding SSM, is the result of Tsunade/Sakura fans' bias, however I assert that their refusal to admit its likelihood is the result of a negative bias against the aforementioned characters.

Here are the reasons I think that slug sage mode ought to exist.
1. Katsuyu is from the Shikotsurin

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

2. Shikotsurin is equally famous as Mount Myoboku and Ryuchi Caves

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

3. Mount Myobuku and Ryuchi Caves house the Toads and Snakes respectively.
4. The two other animals whom we've seen a sage mode from is the Toad and The Snake

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

5. The three sannin summons (Toad, Snake, Slug) are known as the deadlock summons, and it appears that toad ninjutsu is also senjutsu

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

6. Two of the other Sannin have imperfect Sage Modes. (Yes Orochimaru has an imperfect Sage Mode and has Sage Chakra otherwise, he wouldn't be able to implant Sage Chakra in others via the curse mark.)

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

7. Tsunade must have been to Shikkotsurin because she knows the full size of Katsuyu, and the only time when she should have been able to see such a thing is to have gone to shikkotsurin and seen it herself.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

8. We have now seen Tsunade's chakra depleted three times, and whenever she fully depletes here chakra the Yin Seal disappears, now Tsunade now longer has the chakra to heal, yet her seal is completely intact. (Additionally, when she is completely out of chakra, she reverts back to an old woman and either loses consciousness together or barely retains consciousness)

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

So then the Big Question to ask is why if Tsunade posses such an ability hasn't she used it in the war arc?
The only logical conclusion that I could theorize on is that one cannot heal while using Sage Mode. Throughout the entirety of the Gokage's battle with Madara she served as a medic. Even after she had joined the fray herself, she still doled out chakra and she felt her job was to ensure everyone stayed alive. Which is true given her rules of the medical ninja, it makes perfect sense that Tsunade would not use a jutsu that would make her stronger only to leave her team without a medic. Rather, it seems she could have chosen a jutsu that allowed her to observe the 1st and 3rd rules.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The purpose of the Byakugou no Jutsu is obviously to bypass the second rule as medics sole purpose is to avoid injury so that they can continue to heal others. So then Tsunade can get away with having used the best jutsu given the circumstances, and we saw from the end result of their battle with Madara that it was indeed good was she was able to heal the Gokage or they'd all be dead. Furthermore, without knowing the strengths or abilities of an opponent in the narutoverse it would be silly for a groups healer to decide that they are not needed as a healer but solely as a combatant.


When the Gokage rejoined the Shinobi Alliance, it was very clear for Tsunade, that Sakura's medical expertise had not caught up to her own and that she was still the best medic available for the SA.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

And given the number of strong Shinobi there (9 kages, 2 Jinchurikiis, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Gai, and a number of other strong shinobi) it would make sense that she do what she does best, namely heal. And as a healer she was certainly needed, as the God Tree sapped chakra from Shinobis leaving them like raisins Sakura and Tsunade with the assistance of Katsuyu was able to not only heal the shinobi but replenish their chakra so that the SA could continue to fight. Between the two of them Tsunade and Sakura were shelling out chakra for thousands of shinobi. A feat a person in Sage mode could not do because those thousands of shinobi would be petrified. In fact, since returning to the battle Tsunade's role has been entirely as a support ninja. However, that is no longer possible as Tsunade no longer has chakra to heal with.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Given what I have been able to ascertain from my interpretation of the manga Tsunade is no longer going to be a support ninja in the upcoming chapters.. Since Tsunade is no longer a medic, the rules of the medic would no longer apply to her, given that, it seems that Byakugou is not the jutsu which is most useful at the moment. Whereas, there are two things which are effective against Madara, namely taijutsu and senjutsu.(Just to discuss portrayals for a moment, it would be a disappoint portrayal if the kage for the village hidden in the leaves were not able to do as well or better than the jonnin of her village). If, Tsunade cannot heal while in Sage Mode, then that sole reason is enough to explain us having never seen Slug Sage Mode before. In any team setting Tsunade's default is to serve as the medic which is what we saw during the war arc. However, one of the reasons Tsunade is considered, in the manga anyway, to be a kage level ninja is because she's not just an amazing doctor, but she is known to be a skilled fighter as well. For the first time since part 1 we will see Tsunade in a capacity where she still has chakra, but is not able to serve as a medic. Meaning there is a strong possibility of seeing new jutsus from her.

But for TL;DR purposes or because I was simply to vague, why is there a possibility that SSM can't be used while healing.
1. When Sage Chakra enters those who cannot control it it either leads to petrification, death, great pain.
2. Mystical Palm Techinique is a yang release jutsu which pours the users chakra into the patients bod, and coaxes a body into healing itself
3. It seems to be within the job description of medics to serve as batteries refilling the chakra of shinobis and boosting their techniques.
4. Tsunade has no healing chakra left but has chakra left to attack, and her byakugou seal appears to be full.



But if Tsunade can't heal through her seal how is it that Katsuyu is linked through the Byakugou seal and then how does Remote Healing work?

This is a very fair question, I would say that when Katsuyu works as the conduit, she is a sage animal and thus any time she heals she is capable of holding back natural energy and just transmitting the healing chakra. Think of it as Katsuyu having the same job as Pa when Naruto was undergoing Sage training, her job is to ensure sage chakra doesn't overwhelm patients. And rather than striking them with a stick since she is a natural creature that hasn't seemed to partake of the God fruit, all of her chakra should be the result of natural energy, and thus storing more doesn't harm her.

Comments/Critiques welcome.

 

[Nebula]

Seems she should do something neat since she's still alive.
Interested in how remote healing works.

 

[susanou]

I've never doubted Tsunade has SSM , it is just a matter of showing it . Why didn't you include Hashirama being a possible user of the SSM ? .

Good job .

 

[rollin]

she might have an imperfect slug sage mode and it would probably look freaky as hell

 

[Made in Heaven]

I hope you're right

 

[reizon]

I'm not even going to bother.!!

 

[Wabbit]

slug sage mode is a myth hyped by Sakura and Tsunade fans U_U

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Lol dude, 90% of the people here don't take Tsunade threads seriously. So why bother writing such large wall of text?

 

[deadp00l]

*waiting for slug sage mode

You must be registered for see images

 

[Conspirator.]

How about no. The chances of that happening are just about zero....

 

[Tazzilla88]

How about no. The chances of that happening are just about zero....

So I've done the work of laying out my argument for why there is a good chance, so what are your reasons given the story for this Slug Sage Mode having a very slim chance of happening. Because as best I can tell, the more evidence in support of something the higher percentage chance of it happening, unless there is a known fact and in this case there isn't. Thus, in order to say the chance is narrow, you need equally or more compelling evidence to make that claim.

 

[WithDemonsToLeanOn]

I agree, especially since I said the same thing earlier on a thread, only you expanded on it GREATLY with more detail. But yeah, I think it's a likely thing that it could exist, it's just a matter of it actually being shown.

It'd be cool if it did before the series ends, but I wish it was shown earlier. Like Kishi could have improved Sakura's character and had shown Tsunade with SSM and teaching it to Sakura. Then it could have been something to put her closer to Naruto and Sasuke. But at this point, unless it literally shows up out of nowhere, I don't think we'll see it.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Sure why not, if minato can pull off a perfect sm out of nowhere. tsunade or sakura having ssm wouldn't be all that surprising....

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

she could have sagemode, but she might suck at it like minato

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

well i didn't read the whole thing honestly and here's why (this is a dying subject) :

1. it's too late now (this time if she faced Madara, nothing would be left of her for Katsuyu to put back).

2. Tsunade was desperate against Madara and got split in half/would have used it if it existed (the 5 Kages used their trump cards/full power in that fight).

3. the existence of a Frog/Snake SM doesn't necessarily mean that there's a Slug SM.

4. it would look nasty.

 

[edwinblack]

Nah there would'nt really be a reason for Kishi to give Tsunade Sage Mode. Her healing abilities are already flawless and she's already physically stronger than anyone(that isnt using a outside source of power). That basically sums up all her abilities and prowess.

 

[Conspirator.]

So I've done the work of laying out my argument for why there is a good chance, so what are your reasons given the story for this Slug Sage Mode having a very slim chance of happening. Because as best I can tell, the more evidence in support of something the higher percentage chance of it happening, unless there is a known fact and in this case there isn't. Thus, in order to say the chance is narrow, you need equally or more compelling evidence to make that claim.

At this point, if anyone is getting SSM it's Sakura, not tsunade. It makes sense plotwise. Besides, we don't even know what Hashirama's sage mode is.(It could be SSM too)

 

[Tazzilla88]

At this point, if anyone is getting SSM it's Sakura, not tsunade. It makes sense plotwise. Besides, we don't even know what Hashirama's sage mode is.(It could be SSM too)

It hardly makes more sense for Sakura to have Slug Sage Mode, when she literally summoned Katsuyu for the first time earlier in the day. She made no departures from the battlefield, so you would say that it makes more sense for the person who just mastered the summoning technique to already have the sage mode belonging to the animal she summoned for the very first time. Further, Sakura's chakra reserves without the Yin Seal were never spectacular, and indicating she would use a sage mode now suggests she was able to learn it with her average reserves. As opposed, to the woman who has had an affinity to slugs for several decades and was heralded as the Slug Queen or Slug Princess.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

So please explain to me why in the name of plot and keeping in mind the recent events and the timing of said events why it'd be more likely for Sakura to have Slug Sage Mode?

well i didn't read the whole thing honestly and here's why (this is a dying subject) :

1. it's too late now (this time if she faced Madara, nothing would be left of her for Katsuyu to put back).

2. Tsunade was desperate against Madara and got split in half/would have used it if it existed (the 5 Kages used their trump cards/full power in that fight).

3. the existence of a Frog/Snake SM doesn't necessarily mean that there's a Slug SM.

4. it would look nasty.

1. Since we obviously don't know how powerful jutsu x is until jutsu x is used, we really can't speculate on whether or not it'd be helpful. I think prior to 3 weeks ago everyone would have said 7 gates guy would have died in the blink of an eye against juubihashimadara with sage mode active. Yet that clearly wasn't the case.
2. Covered the point you were making in the first bold (to addressed your parenthetical comment, which trump cards were used. We canonically know Ay's trump card, there was a host of jutsus Gaara could have used that he did not, Mei.... used really large suitons and lava globs, Tsunade used an extended form of CR but that doesn't mean that's all she has in her arsenal which if you had bothered to read I harped on for some time)
3. No, that was hardly my only reason, but considering the lines being drawn the legendary places being mentioned within the context of sage mode, then the reveal that Katsuyu is from one of the legendary places and the other sannin summons are from the other 2 legendary places both of which have sage mode, and now they are fighting enemies which can only be harmed via senjutsu or taijutsu, and of the sage mode users 4 are currently unavailable to help (Naruto, Hashirama, Jiraiya, Minato) which leave Kabuto, Juugo, Orochimaru and Madara and since it's fairly obvious DSM Kabuto w/o Edo Tensei cannot solo Madara and Gai is on his deathbed. That more Sage Mode users are necessary. Naruto will make a return. Sasuke may team up with Juugo again. So that's three sage mode users who has a single jinchuriiki on the team, versus a man who not only has the rinnegan, and EMS, but also has Mokuton, Sage Mode, Omymoudon, and 9 bijuus inside of him. Assuming someone helps hashirama, that only gives them 5 shinobi (Sasuke+Juugo count as one as Juugo alone isn't relevant) against Juubidara. The stage is set for more sage mode.