Minato's sensing >= Tobirama's sensing

[Gold Lightning]

Tired of seeing how underrated Minatos sensing is, or how some people say Tobirama is the best sensor in nv -_-

In base form Minato and Tobirama are equal I'm sensory abilities. I don't know where the misconception that Tobirama is the best sensor came from. People denied minato being a sensor for so long despite how obvious and clear cut kishimoto made it, some people just refused to accept it for some reason.

Minato displays his first sensing feat way back in Kakashi chronicles:

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He senses 1 enemy and then immediately senses the change to 20 enemies. People brushed this off as being tracking skills, like really?!

Tobirama produces the same feat:

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When Tobirama does it, it's classed as sensing U_U. Notice how Minato only uses 1 finger while Tobirama needs to use 2, this may suggest that Minato has more skill here as we've seen with other jutsu (ie third raikages he'll stab), the less fingers, the more precision/power/concentration. The same thing could apply here. Also note that both minato and Tobirama sense 20 enemies, same number, same feat.

Other Minato feat is him sensing Obito's sneak attack from behind:

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Again people argue that this isn't sensing and that minato just felt his presence. I highly disagree with that but whatever, believe what you want in this instance, I see it as sensing, you can even see the double explanation marks next to minato in the bottom panel, indicating that minato detected him.

Now we have these scans showing both their sensory prowess:

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Let's look at Tobirama first here, he senses Madaras chakra from a very long distance (good feat indeed). Then after "sensing better" he later realises that orochimaru is made up of his brothers cells, again very impressive by Tobirama.

Now let's look at Minato, he not only sensed Naruto's chakra, but Kurama's as well; and in addition to this he could sense that both of them were fighting together. Meaning he could tell just by sensing that Naruto had mastered and controlled Kurama's chakra like he intended for.

However I sometimes see the stupid argument that Minatos wasn't sensing and it's because of Kurama's strong chakra that anyone could feel it which is totally BS. It's stupid because minato clearly feels his sons chakra too. Yet don't mention the fact that Tobirama says that he senses a powerful chakra (Madara). So why isn't the same argument used here? Just hypocritical if you ask me.

Now this is what really pisses me off the most when comparing both their sensing feats:

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This is the scan that confirms that minato is a sensor for many non believers, which is quite ridiculous to be honest that it took till this point to establish such a clear fact.

But yet again people try to discredit it by saying that his sensing is fodder and that he can't use it without kurama telling him -_-. Even though it was already established by Tobirama that they need to be kneading chakra in order to use sensing abilities, as seen here:

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but once again no one said anything when Tobirama did it, but then discredit minato when he does it :eww:

What's funny about about Minato being able to sense Narutos dying chakra is the fact that he got extracted way before sasuke got stabbed yet Tobirama couldn't sense sasuke anymore but minato could still sense Naruto who had been ko'd longer:

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Let me not forget how certain people would overhype tobiramas sensing by saying he can "sense the genetic make up of a person". Wow, just wow... And yes this is in regard to him being able to tell that Karen was an Uzumaki, but damn some people had to hype it to more that what it was.

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He sensed her chakra and determined that she "must be" and Uzumaki. He didn't sense her gene ethic make up, that's some real fanfiction right there. Besides that little rant, it was still very impressive.

But once again Minato matches Tobirama is sensing feats as he feels how much stronger Madara's power is compared to Obitos when he was the Juubi host:

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So as you can see, Minato has pretty much matched Tobirama in every sensing feat he's pulled off. Where Tobirama being out of Minatos league in this department came from I'll never know; because it is utterly false. It is clear as day that they are even when it comes to sensing in base.

I guess you've noticed I've said base a couple times, well that's because Minatos sensory abilities do exceed tobiramas in sensing if we take into account Minatos sage mode and KCM. Minato in sage mode becomes one with nature, and being the perfect sage that he is grants him the ability to sense chakra around him, except this time kneading chakra isn't necessary. Plus sage mode heightens all abilities, therefore Minatos already great sensing skills are further enhanced.
Since Minato was also in Jinchuuriki of Yin Kurama, he also gains all his abilities. Including negative emotion sensing, something even the best sensors cannot do.

This is the end of my thread, just really wanted to express my view on the topic.

 

[DroppinDueces]

Makes sense to me

 

[Vandenreich]

didn't read but, no.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

dude minato cant differentiate between clans so nope

 

[The Necromancer]

You were getting warm until the Uzumaki to Juubi Jin host comparison, which I totally disagree with.

My guess is that Tobirama would have been able to detect Tobi's 1/2 Uchiha and 1/2 Senju body while Minato did no such thing.

Based on the feats you presented to us, I would also conclude that Minato should have sensed that Tobi was Obito immediately (or even that Obito had not died) and yet he didn't do that either.

But once again, I agreed with you for a while there.

 

[slaton02]

Tobirama's sensing>>>>>>Minatos

 

[Erebus]

it was going alright, then i stopped reading when u started writing some bullshit, really as u continue reading, the way you put it make u sound desperate

 

[VolatileSoul]

Dude he is not. Not only could Tobirama tell what clan a person is from by sensing, everybody could sense Naruto's chakra, even none sensors. When something that massive disappears, everybody is bound to notice. Sensing that Madara is more powerful than Obito is something any sensor could do. Hell its something most people with common sense could do just by looking at him and Obito. Minato couldn't even recognize his own student after he took in Hashi cells and his personality changed, but Tobirama was just fine even though the last time he saw Madara he didn't have any modifications.

 

[deadp00l]

Minato couldn't even recognize his own student after he took in Hashi cells and his personality changed, but Tobirama was just fine even though the last time he saw Madara he didn't have any modifications.

Thats a pretty stupid argument, obito went from no sharingan to mangekyo sharingan,

and the extreme hate that comes with the awakening of mangekyo changes the chakra of the user so much it becomes unrecognizable

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tobirama knew madara till he acquired EMS

 

[The Necromancer]

Thats a pretty stupid argument, obito went from no sharingan to mangekyo sharingan,

and the extreme hate that comes with the awakening of mangekyo changes the chakra of the user so much it becomes unrecognizable

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tobirama knew madara till he acquired EMS

But by the OP's feats Minato should have been able to, as he recognized his son after 17 years and after merging with the Kyuubi while having spent only 5 minutes by his side with no use of sensory ability.

 

[409fusion]

Dint read but Minato is better than tobi at sensing

 

[deadp00l]

Minato's one finger sensing already trumps over tobirama's two finger sensing

If a person A uses one hand to lift a heavy weight object and a person B uses two hands to lift the same object then who is stronger?

person A of course

But by the OP's feats, Minato should have been able to, as he recognized his son after 17 years and after merging with the Kyuubi while having spent only 5 minutes by his side with no use of sensory ability.

who told you minato wasnt using sensory ability while he was beside naruto?

what does 17 year gap have to do with anything?

why would naruto's own chakra change?

 

[409fusion]

But once again, I agreed with you for a while there.

Same here.

 

[Gold Lightning]

But by the OP's feats Minato should have been able to, as he recognized his son after 17 years and after merging with the Kyuubi while having spent only 5 minutes by his side with no use of sensory ability.

Didn't minato do a little father son bonding when he rebult the seal? Plus it's his son, his chakra didn't change, neither did Kurama's chakra change.

Karin couldn't sense kabuto because of his changes, might have been the same thing for Obito. We don't know how much his chakra changed or what the hashi DNA did to him.

 

[The Necromancer]

Didn't minato do a little father son bonding when he rebult the seal? Plus it's his son, his chakra didn't change, neither did Kurama's chakra change.

Karin couldn't sense kabuto because of his changes, might have been the same thing for Obito. We don't know how much his chakra changed or what the hashi DNA did to him.

Minato's one finger sensing already trumps over tobirama's two finger sensing

If a person A uses one hand to lift a heavy weight object and a person B uses two hands to lift the same object then who is stronger?

person A of course



who told you minato wasnt using sensory ability while he was beside naruto?

what does 17 year gap have to do with anything?

why would naruto's own chakra change?

Naruto went through immense amounts of hatred and later cleansing over a 17 year period. After merging his chakra with the Kyuubi it should have been entirely different than a simple infants chakra signature.

But once again, Minato did not even sense that Obito have survived and was only meters away from where he supposedly died.

In other words, Minato's sensing is far too inconsistent for my judgement, similar to his and Naruto's speeds.

@Gold- That chakra dialogue memory did not transfer over to the real Minato. It only took place between naruto and Minato's left over chakra avatar.

 

[deadp00l]

Naruto went through immense amounts of hatred and later cleansing over a 17 year period. After merging his chakra with the Kyuubi it should have been entirely different than a simple infants chakra signature.

But once again, Minato did not even sense that Obito have survived and was only meters away from where he supposedly died.

In other words, Minato's sensing is far too inconsistent for my judgement, similar to his and Naruto's speeds.

@Gold- That chakra dialogue memory did not transfer over to the real Minato. It only took place between naruto and Minato's left over chakra avatar.

the hatred was kyuubi's, and naruto doesnt have uchiha genes who have adverse effect on chakra, you are confusing the two

the ground collapsed and obito fell and was retrieved by zetsu

Neither naruto's speed nor maintao's sensing is inconsistent, it is merely shown on few occasions

 

[The Necromancer]

the hatred was kyuubi's, and naruto doesnt have uchiha genes who have adverse effect on chakra, you are confusing the two

the ground collapsed and obito fell and was retrieved by zetsu

Neither naruto's speed nor maintao's sensing is inconsistent, it is merely shown on few occasions

The bold is untrue. Naruto had to train to specifically rid himself of his own hatred, otherwise the Kyuubi would feed on it and consume him with it's hatred. The falls of truth had nothing to do with Kurama's chakra.

And Karin commented on Naruto's shining, warm chakra which I conclude was based on his personality, as Sasuke and Naruto have both opposite attitudes and chakra types.

Although in regards to chakra, I am speculating as neither was explicitly stated.

 

[Minator93]

Minato is the better sensor because of his perfect SM U_U

 

[susanou]

When touching the ground Minato could even distinguish if the enemy was using Kage Bunshin or not he could even know what type of ninja he was while Tobirama could tell :

1.) That they were from Kumokagure by their chakra .
2.) What type of ninjas they were in this case bounty hunters/trackers .
3.) The exact amount of enemies without hesitating .
4.) How close they were .

Minato on the other hand was like Ummm there is like 20 ninjas around , but I can't tell if they're Kage Bunshin or not .

Minato could not sense and identify his own student in multiple ocassions , could not even notice Zetsu was coming to steel the Kyubi's chakra from him EVEN WHEN HIS ''SENSING CHAKRA'' ON , that was pathetic .

 

[Nebula]

Tobirama invented sensory jutsu.
Minato must copy him yet again.