[Spoilers] Rukia vs Toshiro?

[kotoamatsukami]

they already said toshiro have the strongest ice based bankai.

Yea he does have the strongest ice type so? He has not trained long enough with it to be one of the top dogs...an rukia does not have a ice zanpacto she has a temperature zanpacto.

are you 4ucking kidding me? for real?

Lord-Aizen could have fodderised all of the capitens, even yamamoto him self

small prove? he went out of yamamoto's suicide attack without any damage happens to him except ripping his cloth, so please.

An yea aizen stated himself he could not beat Yama what more proof do you want?

 

[Braveknight]

Aizen said that Yamamoto with just Ryujin Jakka is stronger than him.
Ryujin Jakka alone > Base Aizen
After feeling Aizen's reiatsu (Shinigami's fights are fights of reiatsu), Yamamoto was pretty sure that can beat him without zanpakuto.
Zanpakutoless Yamamaoto (just Shunpo/hakuda/kido) > Base Aizen
Also Zanka no Tachi Yamamoto > Hyogaku Aizen.

Margela is the one who save him from that attack, not Aizen himself.

from where did you get the part that he felt that he didnt need his sword?

not really, his sword got sealed from Lord-Aizen's creation wonderwise
he could not use his sword

yamamoto made a desperate sucide attack in order to kill Lord-Aizen, guess how hard he failed

so far Lord-Aizen didnt even use his bankai in that arc, how would you know yamamoto's bankai could be better than Lord-Aizen

your theory is just plainly flawed and not supported by any thing.

 

[Braveknight]

Yea he does have the strongest ice type so? He has not trained long enough with it to be one of the top dogs...an rukia does not have a ice zanpacto she has a temperature zanpacto.



An yea aizen stated himself he could not beat Yama what more proof do you want?

Lord-Aizen said toshiro planned the execution of rukia, was he saying the truth? =_=

 

[ShiroT]

Lol you got things all wrong first off aizen was not stronger than Yama at all that's why he made wonder wiess so he could take away Yama flames...second bazz-b flames won't stronger than Yama's lol did you not see Yama take him down with one attack along with two other Quincy...yea rukia had to use bankai cuz asnodt went vollstanding while hitsugiya needed bankai just to beat a base Chang-du.

Yea he's used to his ice being around him don't mean he can't freeze rukia reaches the temperature of absolute zero that's way colder than hitsugiya ice is..hitsugiya don't fight with ice covering his hole body...an did you see how she easily blitz asnodt he even lost sight of her she has gotten faster aswell.

Rukia had special training you see how mask Quincy S beat renji ass the first invasion but after renji had his training he completely trashed letter S like it was nothing..royal guard training is way above any training hitsugiya has done...an yea rukia would trash every opponent hitsugiya has ever fought...even Byakuya acknowledged her spiritual pressure.

Like I said before rukia training was way more special than any training hitsugiya has ever been threw...

An wat do you mean he trained to the point where he got his ice back?..he never lost it they only stole their bankai's they could still use shikai after the fact.

lol you know once they lost their bankai ALL of the captians were unable to use their zanpatu's abilities and soi fon who had to fight with shunko while toshiro trained after the first invasion and was able to reuse his ice. And no yamato died way before bazz-b showed up and he stated himself his flames were stronger then yamato's. And Aizen . . . .Aizen destroed all the captions putting him above him them and around the head captions level and he said he didnt want to face off against his flames not that yamato was so strong he would murder aizen(just rewatched the episode and he said "your zanpatu is the most powerfull if we fought head on i would be surpassed).

And you do know that rukia before training was a lieutenant(not even a vice captian) and the difference between a lieutenant and a captain is vast lol. So if both trained and a lieutenant moved to a captain level and the captain trained and became a even stronger captain, stronger captain > newly captain level

 

[ShiroT]

Yea he does have the strongest ice type so? He has not trained long enough with it to be one of the top dogs...an rukia does not have a ice zanpacto she has a temperature zanpacto.



An yea aizen stated himself he could not beat Yama what more proof do you want?

lmao a temperature one this was funny, she controls ICE! what has she been doing this whole time lol controling ice

 

[Forbidden Tale]

from where did you get the part that he felt that he didnt need his sword?

not really, his sword got sealed from Lord-Aizen's creation wonderwise
he could not use his sword

yamamoto made a desperate sucide attack in order to kill Lord-Aizen, guess how hard he failed

so far Lord-Aizen didnt even use his bankai in that arc, how would you know yamamoto's bankai could be better than Lord-Aizen

your theory is just plainly flawed and not supported by any thing.

1. After he defeated Margela, he said: "do you think you can beat me with just sealing my zanpakuto, how naive" then he was ready to kick his ass, but Margela exploded and he needed to intervene.
2. Yes, his sword was sealed by Wonderweiss. Wonderweiss was created for that purpose, because Yama's zanpakuto was so strong, Aizen said it just before Wonderweiss intervene.
3. He failed because of Wonderweiss and you know why? Because Aizen was affraid to take him 1vs1.
4. We don't know does he even have bankai? He could just trick evryone to believe he has, but actually he don't and from what we know Aizen lost his zanpakuto because of Hyogaku it's very posibly that he will not get him back.

Lord-Aizen said toshiro planned the execution of rukia, was he saying the truth? =_=

He didn't have reason to lie on this one. Creation of Margela show that he was affraid of Yama's power.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

And you do know that rukia before training was a lieutenant(not even a vice captian) and the difference between a lieutenant and a captain is vast lol. So if both trained and a lieutenant moved to a captain level and the captain trained and became a even stronger captain, stronger captain > newly captain level

1. Lieutenant is same as vice captain.
2. Renji was also vice captain, but after training he was able to beat with just shikai 100% Schrift Mask (not Vollstandig), i will remind you that 10% Schrift Mask was able to beat Two captain level and 3 vice captain level at once.

 

[Braveknight]

1. After he defeated Margela, he said: "do you think you can beat me with just sealing my zanpakuto, how naive" then he was ready to kick his ass, but Margela exploded and he needed to intervene.
2. Yes, his sword was sealed by Wonderweiss. Wonderweiss was created for that purpose, because Yama's zanpakuto was so strong, Aizen said it just before Wonderweiss intervene.
3. He failed because of Wonderweiss and you know why? Because Aizen was affraid to take him 1vs1.
4. We don't know does he even have bankai? He could just trick evryone to believe he has, but actually he don't and from what we know Aizen lost his zanpakuto because of Hyogaku it's very posibly that he will not get him back.



He didn't have reason to lie on this one. Creation of Margela show that he was affraid of Yama's power.

1=Lord-Aizen knew yamamoto would pull of a sucicde strong attack, for that he created wonderwise to seal all kind of flame from his zanpakto

2= notice how yamamoto got cornered and as soon it was going to be 1vs1 he showed out his card out of fear

3= Lord-Aizen knew about the quincy's just as uruhara for that they never showed their bankai. using your logic, uruhara, isshen and yorochi does not have bankai also

4= margela was a counter suicide plan.

5= you can always get your zanpakuto back if it didnt break during it's bankai form, so Lord-Aizen is fine.

6= he didnt need his sword for the abilities to work, see how he made juha bach and his army pull back to their place after meeting lord-Aizen

 

[alu]

if she could beat him she would need her bankai lol surpassed doesnt mean your leagues ahead of them. And no she beat him with her bankai thats how we saw it because she revealed it to win the match . . . .and toshiro lost to somebody who said his flames were stronger than the head captions while he only had a shikia so ofcourse he would lose. When he got his bankai he beat cang just like rukia needed her bankai do beat as nodt.

Take him how, she's going to freeze him? he fights with ice on him and his spiritul pressure makes the surrounding cold he would have to be used to the cold . But sure she's going to freeze ice.

before that fight rukia was strugling with a espade 10 and toshiro beat a 3. So your saying in the time they both trained rukia got stong enough to not only beat all of toshiro's opponents but would be stronger than him.

that doesnt make sense if rukia say if we gave rukia a number at 3 and toshiro 6. if they BOTH trained and rukia got to say 7 or 8 toshiro training would put him adleast at 8-10. So no lol her shikai beating his bankai isnt even believable while i still think he beats her bankai vs bankai

was not espada 10 revealed to be espada 0 the strongest!!!!

 

[ShiroT]

1. Lieutenant is same as vice captain.
2. Renji was also vice captain, but after training he was able to beat with just shikai 100% Schrift Mask (not Vollstandig), i will remind you that 10% Schrift Mask was able to beat Two captain level and 3 vice captain level at once.

no the power difference isnt the same and lol did you read the manga? he won because he snuck him everybody whole fought him thought he died and lowered their guard none of them knew he was being revived and pumped up until the last minute when it was to late.

 

[ShiroT]

was not espada 10 revealed to be espada 0 the strongest!!!!

mightve been espade number nine then the one with the two masks

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

This thread is giving me a rash, shikai Rukia shit stomps no dif.​

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1=Lord-Aizen knew yamamoto would pull of a sucicde strong attack, for that he created wonderwise to seal all kind of flame from his zanpakto

2= notice how yamamoto got cornered and as soon it was going to be 1vs1 he showed out his card out of fear

3= Lord-Aizen knew about the quincy's just as uruhara for that they never showed their bankai. using your logic, uruhara, isshen and yorochi does not have bankai also

4= margela was a counter suicide plan.

5= you can always get your zanpakuto back if it didnt break during it's bankai form, so Lord-Aizen is fine.

6= he didnt need his sword for the abilities to work, see how he made juha bach and his army pull back to their place after meeting lord-Aizen

1. No

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2. What Quincys have to do with this?

3. Ability of Aizen's zanpakuto is hypnosis, he could hypnotize others to believe that he have bankai, just like he hypnotize others to believe that his zanpakuto is water based.

no the power difference isnt the same and lol did you read the manga? he won because he snuck him everybody whole fought him thought he died and lowered their guard none of them knew he was being revived and pumped up until the last minute when it was to late.

What?

This thread is giving me a rash, shikai Rukia shit stomps no dif.​

Of course, by the way nice avatar.

 

[ShiroT]

1. No

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2. What Quincys have to do with this?

3. Ability of Aizen's zanpakuto is hypnosis, he could hypnotize others to believe that he have bankai, just like he hypnotize others to believe that his zanpakuto is water based.



Of course, by the way nice avatar.

thats not saying yamamato is way stronger then he is thats saying he has a dangerous zanpakuto just like im pretty sure toshiro wasnt on the same level as hallibel but he won because of that power technique

 

[Forbidden Tale]

thats not saying yamamato is way stronger then he is thats saying he has a dangerous zanpakuto just like im pretty sure toshiro wasnt on the same level as hallibel but he won because of that power technique

He said it (Yamamoto can't be it), it's just RJ.
RJ + Yama's others abilities clearly surpassed Aizen.

The reason Toshiro was able to beat Tier, is because he was able to use his full power before she.

 

[Kenshin the god of war]

Toshiro is a captain, not saying that matters at this point in the manga.

But toshiro has showed to use great strategy while in battle. And rukia shikai seems to have a rang, that rang being the person. Toshiro has shown to be able to regenerate limbs with ice if needed. And also shows to use clones, to confuse his opponents. And with all his ultimate techniques that he knows, and learned. He is definitely a strong opponent. And its true sense toshiro has the strongest ice water type bankai, everything rukia throws at him wouldn't affect him as much as it would a person of no resistance to ice.

And as shown rukia shikai takes time to increase the celsius. And sense toshiro has protection against ice itself, it would move even slower giving toshiro time to counter attact, while rukia shows whilst backed into a coner offen, those not no what to do.

Also shown while fighting the quincy, she only won do to byakuya's word. And just to let you know absolute zero isn't even the coldest one can become.

 

[Braveknight]

1. No

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2. What Quincys have to do with this?

3. Ability of Aizen's zanpakuto is hypnosis, he could hypnotize others to believe that he have bankai, just like he hypnotize others to believe that his zanpakuto is water based.



What?



Of course, by the way nice avatar.

what does *may* means?

lets check Google dictionary?

it means expressing possibility.

and mate Lord- Aizen prepared for the battle against Yamamoto because that's how he works. He's a cautious tactician. Would Yamamoto defeat Lord- Aizen if it weren't for Extinguir? Yes, Aizen confirmed that but he said *may* so he might be playing mind games like always .

But this isn't the same battle, this is Aizen in his Chrysalis stage, prior to his evolution. Considering that he was able to take level 90 kido without any damage, and further confirming that he was the only one who'd survive Kisuke's attack. Puts him over Yamamoto

The reason the blast didn't consume him--according to my interpretation--is because his power exceeds reiatsu. The same powers he used to destroy the koutotsu by will.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Lord-Aizen said toshiro planned the execution of rukia, was he saying the truth? =_=

Lol what toshiro planned the execution of rukia what I don't remember that? If anything he had to lie back then but while fighting Yama he had no reason to.

lol you know once they lost their bankai ALL of the captians were unable to use their zanpatu's abilities and soi fon who had to fight with shunko while toshiro trained after the first invasion and was able to reuse his ice. And no yamato died way before bazz-b showed up and he stated himself his flames were stronger then yamato's. And Aizen . . . .Aizen destroed all the captions putting him above him them and around the head captions level and he said he didnt want to face off against his flames not that yamato was so strong he would murder aizen(just rewatched the episode and he said "your zanpatu is the most powerfull if we fought head on i would be surpassed).

And you do know that rukia before training was a lieutenant(not even a vice captian) and the difference between a lieutenant and a captain is vast lol. So if both trained and a lieutenant moved to a captain level and the captain trained and became a even stronger captain, stronger captain > newly captain level

Lol o reread the manga please lol hahaha wow I'm done..I believe hitsugiya was fighting against his bankai useing ice during the first in vasion...Yama took bazz out in one second go reread...an he never said his flames wer stronger go reread lol..lol yea if they fought head on he would be surpassed enough said an that was just yama shikai..

LIKE I SAID ONCE BEFORE RUKIA TRANING WAS SPEACIAL not normal training.

lmao a temperature one this was funny, she controls ICE! what has she been doing this whole time lol controling ice

Yea she controls the temperature not ice go reread once again.

 

[ShiroT]

Toshiro is a captain, not saying that matters at this point in the manga.

But toshiro has showed to use great strategy while in battle. And rukia shikai seems to have a rang, that rang being the person. Toshiro has shown to be able to regenerate limbs with ice if needed. And also shows to use clones, to confuse his opponents. And with all his ultimate techniques that he knows, and learned. He is definitely a strong opponent. And its true sense toshiro has the strongest ice water type bankai, everything rukia throws at him wouldn't affect him as much as it would a person of no resistance to ice.

And as shown rukia shikai takes time to increase the celsius. And sense toshiro has protection against ice itself, it would move even slower giving toshiro time to counter attact, while rukia shows whilst backed into a coner offen, those not no what to do.

Also shown while fighting the quincy, she only won do to byakuya's word. And just to let you know absolute zero isn't even the coldest one can become.

also this ^^^^rukai needs to consintrate to lower the temp hitsugaya already resistant to the cold could easily blitz her causing herself to injury herself from trying to use technique if not being killed by toshiro

 

[Forbidden Tale]

what does *may* means?

lets check Google dictionary?

it means expressing possibility.

and mate Lord- Aizen prepared for the battle against Yamamoto because that's how he works. He's a cautious tactician. Would Yamamoto defeat Lord- Aizen if it weren't for Extinguir? Yes, Aizen confirmed that but he said *may* so he might be playing mind games like always .

But this isn't the same battle, this is Aizen in his Chrysalis stage, prior to his evolution. Considering that he was able to take level 90 kido without any damage, and further confirming that he was the only one who'd survive Kisuke's attack. Puts him over Yamamoto

1. It means that Aizen is enough affraid and must create Wonderweiss.
2. He said it (Yamamoto can't be it), it's just RJ, os with jusr RJ he may surpass Aizen, but with other abilities as well he can.
3. He was already fused with Hyogaku when he took 90s level kido.