Wood release can fully control tailed beasts not just suppress or bind them.

[Gerkak]

I don't know why some people keep saying that wood release is only used to suppress bijuu chakra. When it has been clearly proven in the manga that wood release can even be used to fully control a bijuu as powerful as the juubi

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The above image clearly shows that they were using wood release to control the juubi since there were no chakra rods or chakra chains attached to the juubi for it to be the rinnegan control method. They also clearly did not use their sharingan. This proves that strong enough wood release users can control bijuu just as well as sharingan and rinnegan users. Obito also said it himself. The 1st once had several bijuu under his control.

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Hopefully this clears any misconceptions that people have about mokuton's ability to fully control bijuu.

Thoughts?

 

[Draphsin]

Hashirama can't inject mokuton into a bijuu & start controlling it.

The juubi needs both uchiha & senju dna in order to control, just like the gedo mazou, that's why they needed to attach themselves to it.

Hashi can only do what he did against kurama, which is put it to sleep or suppress it's power.

 

[ShiroT]

under his control doesnt mean he was in control of them. it could just mean they were not killing people which is what he wants so under his control

 

[Senpou]

Exactly my thoughts. But only a powerful shinobi with wood style like Hashirama would be able to control it, not his copy cats IMO. Obito and Madara both possess powerful chakra thats why they can use more powerful Wood release than Yamato.

 

[Pythagorean]

Hashirama's mokuton could only suppress, bind, and absorb the bijuu's chakra. As for Madara and Obito, they both had Uchiha and Senju DNA allowing them more control over the juubi...

 

[warlee]

1) Madara and obito had rinnengan
2) They didn't connect directly they connect through the gedo mazo which require the senju and uchiha dna to control. And we have not seen anybody use moktun to control bijuu to fights even hashirama can and has only shown to suppress them.

 

[Gerkak]

Hashirama can't inject mokuton into a bijuu & start controlling it.

The juubi needs both uchiha & senju dna in order to control, just like the gedo mazou, that's why they needed to attach themselves to it.

Hashi can only do what he did against kurama, which is put it to sleep or suppress it's power.

Why didn't they just use the rinnegan to control it. Why use mokuton? When obito or madara were controlling the gedo mazo they had no need to attach themselves to it. Because they were using the rinnegan. If what you are saying is true then obito and madara would have no need to attach themselves to the juubi.

 

[Waltz]

I do not agree entirely and the extent to which I agree is not because of what you've proposed but rather that Hashirama was said to have to ability to bend the Biju to his will:
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Hokage-style Sixty-year-old Technique - Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-bringing Hands* (火影式耳順術　廓庵入鄽垂手, Hokage-shiki Jijun Jutsu - Kakuan Nitten Suisha)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Yamato, Shodai Hokage

Laid out on the ground is a formation of ten pillars.
Supressing even "calamities"!!

↓What appears on the palm is the order from the user facing the Bijuu.
[picture of Yamato holding out his hand with the kanji for "seat" (座, za)** on it]

The bold essentially says that any command can give an order to the Biju. The order Yamato gave was "sit" to suppress the Kurama within Naruto. Following along this train of thought, he could give the order, "fight" ect. Though, the idea has never been validated.​

 

[Draphsin]

Why didn't they just use the rinnegan to control it. Why use mokuton? When obito or madara were controlling the gedo mazo they had no need to attach themselves to it. Because they were using the rinnegan. If what you are saying is true then obito and madara would have no need to attach themselves to the juubi.

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The only thing needed to control the mazou [juubi] is senju & uchiha dna. As madara explains the rinnegan isn't needed to control it.

 

[Gerkak]

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The only thing needed to control the mazou [juubi] is senju & uchiha dna. As madara explains the rinnegan isn't needed to control it.

agreed. But why didn't madara and obito just control the juubi remotely? Why attach themselves to it? And why was their control of it severed when the mokuton connection was cut? This goes to show that while they can control the juubi remotely, like madara did just before he became a jinchuriki. The purpose of showing them connecting to the juubi via mokuton was to prove that the mokuton can control tailed beasts.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

wood release can suppress and absorb chakra. I don't think it can control tailed beast.

 

[Draphsin]

agreed. But why didn't madara and obito just control the juubi remotely? Why attach themselves to it? And why was their control of it severed when the mokuton connection was cut? This goes to show that while they can control the juubi remotely, like madara did just before he became a jinchuriki. The purpose of showing them connecting to the juubi via mokuton was to prove that the mokuton can control tailed beasts.

They need to be connected to it. The juubi is comprised of mokuton & so it's compatible with madara & obito.

They can't control it remotely because it's too powerful. The gedo mazou has little chakra in comparison, so it doesn't require as much of a control. Remember when the small injection of mokuton wasn't enough & they had to strengthen the bind? It's because the juubi was becoming too powerful to be controlled under normal circumstances.

 

[Gerkak]

They need to be connected to it. The juubi is comprised of mokuton & so it's compatible with madara & obito.

They can't control it remotely because it's too powerful. The gedo mazou has little chakra in comparison, so it doesn't require as much of a control. Remember when the small injection of mokuton wasn't enough & they had to strengthen the bind? It's because the juubi was becoming too powerful to be controlled under normal circumstances.

What you said makes sense but what about this.

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Madara was easily able to summon the juubi just like obito summoned kurama. Which can only be done by someone who has perfect control of the creature unless the creature is a contract summon. This means that madara can control the juubi remotely

 

[Draphsin]

What you said makes sense but what about this.

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Madara was easily able to summon the juubi just like obito summoned kurama. Which can only be done by someone who has perfect control of the creature unless the creature is a contract summon. This means that madara can control the juubi remotely

He didn't summon it he revived it, then quickly absorbed it.

 

[Seventh Sama]

They can only control the juubi with wood style because the juubi is made out of mokuton... the bijuu aren't.

 

[Gerkak]

He didn't summon it he revived it, then quickly absorbed it.

He summoned the gedo mazo and sealed all the bijuu. He then released the summoning causing the statue to vanish. Then he is shown summoning the juubi and sealing it. The fact that he summoned the juubi shows that he can remotely control it.

 

[Draphsin]

He summoned the gedo mazo and sealed all the bijuu. He then released the summoning causing the statue to vanish. Then he is shown summoning the juubi and sealing it. The fact that he summoned the juubi shows that he can remotely control it.

No he didnt summon the juubi, you can't summon the juubi it revives.

Take a look at the scan again & look at madara's handseal, he is making the same handseal that obito used to initiate the juubi's revival. [

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Now look at the summoning contract ritual, [

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] it's nothing like the handseal used to revive the juubi so they're not the same thing.

 

[Gerkak]

No he didnt summon the juubi, you can't summon the juubi it revives.

Take a look at the scan again & look at madara's handseal, he is making the same handseal that obito used to initiate the juubi's revival. [

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Now look at the summoning contract ritual, [

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] it's nothing like the handseal used to revive the juubi so they're not the same thing.

I see. Nice.