[VS] Rinnegan obito vs DSM kabuto

[Misconception]

Ok so the next 5 minutes, what happens now.


Lol, do you how summoning contract works?[

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]. Kabuto is not doing it, Tayuya from his belly is.



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I can't wait until you quote when of me stating this.

When he's in the Kamui realm he can move and then his body will move in the real world... Also he can break the Genjutsu via pain or just Summon the Gedo with Rinnagan... Still featless on that Obito has the Rinnagan so he has all the abilities Nagato has shown.???

Gedo Mazo rapes Manda 2
This raition tech will obliterate anything it comes across not to mention it's a 360

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[Brother Numpsay]

When he's in the Kamui realm he can move and then his body will move in the real world...

Lol what. Please rephrase that because that counter makes no sense

Also he can break the Genjutsu via pain or just Summon the Gedo with Rinnagan...

How can he break it with pain when he cant move.

How can he summon Gedo when he cant move

Still featless on that Obito has the Rinnagan so he has all the abilities Nagato has shown.???

Your not using your brain if you stating what Tayuya is using, that I just explain, is "featless".

Madara stated have both eyes of the Sharingan can unlock its true power, latest chapter confirm for Rinningan too. Moot argument.

Gedo Mazo rapes Manda 2
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Except Manda has excellent durability and on top of it, his scaling is on par with PS and Wood Buddha

 

[Misconception]

Lol what. Please rephrase that because that counter makes no sense



How can he break it with pain when he cant move.

How can he summon Gedo when he cant move




Your not using your brain if you stating what Tayuya is using, that I just explain, is "featless".

Madara stated have both eyes of the Sharingan can unlock its true power, latest chapter confirm for Rinningan too. Moot argument.



Except Manda has excellent durability and on top of it, his scaling is on par with PS and Wood Buddha

Obito would never get caught in her puny sound Genjutsu which literally got thrusted back with Tamari's wind

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If Tamari had enough time to pull out her fan and blow the sound back Obito will have enough time to use Kamui...
Just stop trying to give Kabuto feats he doesn't have...

@Bold

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat you must be joking... So Manda 2 can tank multiple flying PsBijuudama swords.???
Also Gedo Mazo has the physical strength to hold off two mountains...

 

[Draphsin]

MS Obito is even debatable.

 

[Misconception]

Yes i almost forgot that he had the Gunbai that can shoot large gust of wind... That alone is enough to block her Genjutsu...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Obito would never get caught in her puny sound Genjutsu which literally got thrusted back with Tamari's wind

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If Tamari had enough time to pull out her fan and blow the sound back Obito will have enough time to use Kamui...

So? Thats wasn't my whole premise, your just nitpicking it.

Just stop trying to give Kabuto feats he doesn't have...

Ok, instead of feats, how about facts?

1. Kabuto knows everything about Sound 5.
2. Kabuto Senjutsu development surpasses the originals 5.
3. Kabuto has all their DNA's and chakra mixed into their his body.
4. Kabuto can manipulate the originals to do anything their jutsu can do.

@Bold

Whats bolded

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat you must be joking... So Manda 2 can tank multiple flying PsBijuudama swords.???

I cant wait until you quote on stating this.

Also Gedo Mazo has the physical strength to hold off two mountains...

And Manda II to can easily tackle through one. Point?

Manda II keeps him busy.

MS Obito is even debatable.

Of course it is, Kamui is the only way of defeating Kabuto.

Nothing else in his arsenal is useful

 

[Draphsin]

Of course it is, Kamui is the only way of defeating Kabuto.

Nothing else in his arsenal is useful

Well the gedo, chakra rods & chains make this one-sided.

Bakufuu ranbu & uchiha kaenjin are also useful jutsus in MS obito's arsenal aside from kamui, so he still has a lot to work with.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Well the gedo, chakra rods & chains make this one-sided.

Lol no that doesn't even change the outcome on how Obito wins. All of these jutsu can be dealt with. Rod and chains are only effective to Buijuus.

Bakufuu ranbu & uchiha kaenjin are also useful jutsus in MS obito's arsenal aside from kamui, so he still has a lot to work with.

Bakufuu can either go underground to counter or get manipulated by Kabuto giving life to it. Flame wall is effective because?

 

[Misconception]

So? Thats wasn't my whole premise, your just nitpicking it.




Ok, instead of feats, how about facts?

1. Kabuto knows everything about Sound 5.
2. Kabuto Senjutsu development surpasses the originals 5.
3. Kabuto has all their DNA's and chakra mixed into their his body.
4. Kabuto can manipulate the originals to do anything their jutsu can do.



Whats bolded



I cant wait until you quote on stating this.




And Manda II to can easily tackle through one. Point?

Manda II keeps him busy.



Of course it is, Kamui is the only way of defeating Kabuto.

Nothing else in his arsenal is useful

I was just ending the Genjutsu arguement... Until shown don't count it...
Manda 2 is not taking that raition tech that shredded mountains... Kabuto would have no way of getting through that aswell his liquid body will make it 10x worst... Also show me a scan of Manda 2's durability being anywhere near Ps and Shinsuusenju...

Not to mention Obito can control Manda 2 via Genjutsu...

 

[Draphsin]

Lol no that doesn't even change the outcome on how Obito wins. All of these jutsu can be dealt with. Rod and chains are only effective to Buijuus.

Yes it does, the gedo's brute force outclasses manda's & he has more feats plus massive shockwaves & chakra blasts.

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that touches them, plus they disrupt chakra.

Bakufuu can either go underground to counter or get manipulated by Kabuto giving life to it. Flame wall is effective because?

Kabuto is not manipulating a chakra based attack, plus he needs to make contact which will scorch him.

Kaenjin counters manda & if obito traps kabuto within it then he can track kabuto's movements. Kabuto tries moving underground & obito follows with his sharingan. Not to mention obito knows hiding like a mole as well but that won't be needed as obito can teleport to where kabuto surfaces.

 

[Varrah]

If there are no restrictions, which clearly there are not, than Kabuto wins via Edo Tensei; Obito is only intangible for five minutes—and I am sure Kabuto will notice this. (First thought)


Obito wins, as he could summon the Jūbi, perform Uchiha Kaenjin, and defend it until it is the time to become its jinchūriki. This all assumes that Kabuto has no knowledge, and no Edo Tensei on Obito. (Second thought) ​

(if it was brought up as restricted, please ignore this post—also, what is OP referring to by Rin'negan Obito; the Obito with access to the Gedō Mazō and the six jinchūriki operating as an extension of Obito, the paths, or simply the Gedō Mazō?)​

 

[Misconception]

Yes it does, the gedo's brute force outclasses manda's & he has more feats plus massive shockwaves & chakra blasts.

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that touches them, plus they disrupt chakra.



Kabuto is not manipulating a chakra based attack, plus he needs to make contact which will scorch him.

Kaenjin counters manda & if obito traps kabuto within it then he can track kabuto's movements. Kabuto tries moving underground & obito follows with his sharingan. Not to mention obito knows hiding like a mole as well but that won't be needed as obito can teleport to where kabuto surfaces.

That won't be necessary Sharingan Genjustu makes Manda Obito's...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Until shown don't count it...

Lol concession accepted. The user having the ability and decides not to use doesn't mean he can't use the ability.

Manda 2 is not taking that raition tech that shredded mountains...

Manda 1 was able to tank Katon+Oil, in Mountain Range. I am pretty sure Manda 2 can take a couple of strike of lighting before going down.

Manda 2 slams him to the ground.

Kabuto would have no way of getting through that aswell his liquid body will make it 10x worst...

Since went are are liquid conductible? Thats not what I learn in science class. And who said Kabuto has to deal with Mazo personally?

Also show me a scan of Manda 2's durability being anywhere near Ps and Shinsuusenju...

I can show you Manda 1 tanking half of C0 explosion, while his body remain in tact. And Manda 1 being able to tank Katon+Oil, at Mountain Range.

Btw PS and Shinsuu doesn't have the same durability.

 

[Draphsin]

That won't be necessary Sharingan Genjustu makes Manda Obito's...

Then this would make the gedo even more useful.

 

[Misconception]

Lol concession accepted. The user having the ability and decides not to use doesn't mean he can't use the ability.




Manda 1 was able to tank Katon+Oil, in Mountain Range. I am pretty sure Manda 2 can take a couple of strike of lighting before going down.

Manda 2 slams him to the ground.



Since went are are liquid conductible? Thats not what I learn in science class. And who said Kabuto has to deal with Mazo personally?



I can show you Manda 1 tanking half of C0 explosion, while his body remain in tact. And Manda 1 being able to tank Katon+Oil, at Mountain Range.

Btw PS and Shinsuu doesn't have the same durability.

Manda 2 counter for Genjutsu.???

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yes it does, the gedo's brute force outclasses manda's

Call me when Gedo can at least yank a whole Island, with its scaling on par with shinshu, on water.

he has more feats plus massive shockwaves & chakra blasts.

So what about feats? We can use common sense by looking how dangerous Manda 1 is by his feats, and Manda II being better plus bigger and stronger on top of it, w/ limbs.

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that touches them, plus they disrupt chakra.

Once again, that response to Buijuu chakra. It doesn't respond the same to another[

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Kabuto is not manipulating a chakra based attack, plus he needs to make contact which will scorch him.

Muki Tensei works by not only chakra but Kabuto senjutsu giving it life. Of course it will work, since its not life.

Kaenjin counters manda

Too big

if obito traps kabuto within it then he can track kabuto's movements. Kabuto tries moving underground & obito follows with his sharingan.

Ok... Doesn't help him win that way.

Not to mention obito knows hiding like a mole as well but that won't be needed as obito can teleport to where kabuto surfaces.

Or Kabuto can go to him too. All that doesn't matter.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Manda 2 counter for Genjutsu.???

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Kabuto can command them to do this, with another additional of countering Genjutsu[

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[Draphsin]

Call me when Gedo can at least yank a whole Island, with its scaling on par with shinshu, on water.

Scaling doesnt matter, the gedo easily destroyed a mountain with brute force, manda was coiled around the island & it didn't even have the strength to break the turtle's neck which would be much easier to do.

So what about feats? We can use common sense by looking how dangerous Manda 1 is by his feats, and Manda II being better plus bigger and stronger on top of it, w/ limbs.

Manda 1 is as dangerous as a regular summon, the gedo clearly outclasses any summon shown because of it's feats, without manda II feats you can't say he's stronger. & manda's limbs are literally useless, they're too small & too awkwardly placed.

Once again, that response to Buijuu chakra. It doesn't respond the same to another[

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Bad example, obito was dying so he couldn't activate the chain.

The manga told us that it binds anything it touches & obito obviously needs to activate the seal's chain, it can bind anything.

Muki Tensei works by not only chakra but Kabuto senjutsu giving it life. Of course it will work, since its not life.

It's chakra, chakra is a mixture of spiritual & physical energy which is a part of a person's lifeforce. Kabuto can't control somebody else's chakra unless you can show me feats of muki tensei doing so, chakra is life energy so it can't be controlled as it's part of the caster.

Too big

Too big but does that even matter? It still burns him & obito can summon it right in between manda which would cut it in half due to the heat.

Ok... Doesn't help him win that way.

Of course it does, it forces kabuto to do what obito wants which is part of his strategy.

Or Kabuto can go to him too. All that doesn't matter.

Kabuto meeting up with obito is suicide, so yeah it does matter.

 

[Misconception]

Call me when Gedo can at least yank a whole Island, with its scaling on par with shinshu, on water.



So what about feats? We can use common sense by looking how dangerous Manda 1 is by his feats, and Manda II being better plus bigger and stronger on top of it, w/ limbs.



Once again, that response to Buijuu chakra. It doesn't respond the same to another[

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Muki Tensei works by not only chakra but Kabuto senjutsu giving it life. Of course it will work, since its not life.



Too big



Ok... Doesn't help him win that way.



Or Kabuto can go to him too. All that doesn't matter.

snakes have what they call brille. Kabuto becoming a Snake/Dragon Sage was to use that attribute from them[

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Your a good Kabuto debater...

The rods work on anything Hashirama and Tobirama are example's...

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Out path chainz puts Manda to rest aswell
A technique derived from the Outer Path,[1] which allows the user to manifest chakra chains to bind their target allowing the user to bend the ensnared target to their will. These chains are strong enough to bind several tailed beasts to a user, even remotely. Through the use of chakra receivers, the user can manifest the chains in other beings, binding a target to the user. These chains are also capable of binding anything that touches the chakra receiver,[2] and according to the Five-Tails, it causes a great deal of pain.[3]...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Scaling doesnt matter, the gedo easily destroyed a mountain with brute force, manda was coiled around the island & it didn't even have the strength to break the turtle's neck which would be much easier to do.

Scaling does help know that it can handle something its own size.

It wasn't aiming to skill the turtle lol(imagine).. Kabuto command Manda II from keeping it from swimming, so can capture his goal.

Manda 1 is as dangerous as a regular summon, the gedo clearly outclasses any summon shown because of it's feats, without manda II feats you can't say he's stronger. & manda's limbs are literally useless, they're too small & too awkwardly placed.

I never said it was stronger, but it definity carry Mazo's weight and throw him around. Manda II limbs are big enough to hold a summoning by their hands and feet.

Bad example, obito was dying so he couldn't activate the chain.

He wasn't dying, he had enough stamina to to Kamui out, suffered from being take over by Madara, Sliced by Minato, and had the energy to take the Juubi inside of him.

The manga told us that it binds anything it touches & obito obviously needs to activate the seal's chain, it can bind anything.

@ Bold: Im all open eyes for a scan for that statement.

It's chakra, chakra is a mixture of spiritual & physical energy which is a part of a person's lifeforce. Kabuto can't control somebody else's chakra unless you can show me feats of muki tensei doing so, chakra is life energy so it can't be controlled as it's part of the caster.

Point Taken

Too big but does that even matter? It still burns him & obito can summon it right in between manda which would cut it in half due to the heat.

Lets be realistic on this point

Of course it does, it forces kabuto to do what obito wants which is part of his strategy.

Or he can have a snake summoning support him underground.

Kabuto meeting up with obito is suicide, so yeah it does matter.

Not really as he has snake on his stomach, ready for him to warp him and strike, and Sakon KGG to take over his body. Also has Orochimaru's, so he can leave an open wound, poison that vaporizes in the air.