Tobirama vs Sasuke

pateuvasiliu · Mar 11, 2014

Tobirama prime or not Sasuke takes this... Sasuke could have caught Ay win Genjutsu multiple times he stared directly into his sharingan

Yeah, BS.

Madara needed to pin Ay to use genjutsu on him.

People forget that Tobirama doesn't even have enough arsenal to kill Sasuke once he uses CS2.

FTG decapitation sounds good to me.

Misconception · Mar 11, 2014

shelke said:
These are pretty good points as well. People forget that Tobirama doesn't even have enough arsenal to kill Sasuke once he uses CS2. He survived such a massive Blast from Deidara's Clay Bomb at the cost of a single wing. He has no summons, and Manda is a damn resilient snake and a quick one at that.

Ejblack knows i countered anything he has to bring to the table that's why he picked out the first paragraph about Raikage which had nothing to do with my argument on why Sasuke beats Tobirama...

Sorry for the double...

Brother Numpsay · Mar 11, 2014

Misconception said:
Ejblack knows i countered anything he has to bring to the table that's why he picked out the first paragraph about Raikage which had nothing to do with my argument on why Sasuke beats Tobirama...

Sorry for the double...

You dont know **** you are just trying to provoke me at this point. I brought singled out your first claims because it was absolutely absurd. You cant take the Manga out of context to fit your own agenda on explaining things. Then make excuses to back up your claims.

Raikage Successfully Counter Sasuke's Sharingan, fact.
Raikage explained to him why it is ineffective to him, fact.
It took Raikage being held down, distracted, to even be caught in it, fact via against Madara

Then you compeltely ignored Tobirama's chakra control, with 3 other reason Genjutsu is useless to him.

I singled out that one paragraph, shows that just reading that was absurd. It wasn't going to go anywhere. So I am smart enough to not even bother wasting time posting and talking to a brick wall.

Misconception · Mar 11, 2014

pateuvasiliu said:
Yeah, BS.

Madara needed to pin Ay to use genjutsu on him.

FTG decapitation sounds good to me.

Actually he grabbed him to get a look at his eyes... You can clearly see Raikage looking the other way...

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Try again...

FTG decapitation thats funny what happend to the last s/t users who tried to speedblitz Uchiha...

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The list goes on also Sasuke was able to see v2 Juubito to move who Tobirama couldn't even react to v1 Juubito movements...

pateuvasiliu · Mar 11, 2014

Did you just compare alive Madara with Hashirama's Sage Mode and Rinnegan to Sasuke?

Slap yourself with a steel chair.

Misconception · Mar 11, 2014

EjBlack said:
You dont know **** you are just trying to provoke me at this point. I brought singled out your first claims because it was absolutely absurd. You cant take the Manga out of context to fit your own agenda on explaining things. Then make excuses to back up your claims.

Raikage Successfully Counter Sasuke's Sharingan, fact.
Raikage explained to him why it is ineffective to him, fact.
It took Raikage being held down, distracted, to even be caught in it, fact via against Madara

Then you compeltely ignored Tobirama's chakra control, with 3 other reason Genjutsu is useless to him.

I singled out that one paragraph, shows that just reading that was absurd. It wasn't going to go anywhere. So I am smart enough to not even bother wasting time posting and talking to a brick wall.

You're still fixed on the Raikage thing show me a scan were Sasuke actually tried to use Genjutsu on Raikage... Genjutsu isn't even my main argument but your constantly bringing that up for what.??? Until you give counters for the rest of my valid reasons why Sasuke takes this then don't reply please...

Sorry for the double...

Misconception · Mar 11, 2014

pateuvasiliu said:
Did you just compare alive Madara with Hashirama's Sage Mode and Rinnegan to Sasuke?

Slap yourself with a steel chair.

Sasuke actually landed a blow on this Sage Madara while Tobirama couldn't not to mention Tobirama used Ftg and attacked from the blind... Sasuke could react against/see V2 Juubito movements while Tobirama couldn't even react to V1 Juubito nor see his movements... People think just because you have Ftg you can speedblitz anyone bar Juubi jins im just letting you know that this is false...

shelke · Mar 11, 2014

Sasuke landed a blow on SM Madara and pushed him back, the same Madara who left SM Naruto in dust and stuck rods in Tobirama's head. His Taijutsu was nothing special.

Misconception · Mar 11, 2014

shelke said:
Sasuke landed a blow on SM Madara and pushed him back, the same Madara who left SM Naruto in dust and stuck rods in Tobirama's head. His Taijutsu was nothing special.

My point exactly these guys should just give up Sasuke>Tobirama...

Brother Numpsay · Mar 11, 2014

Misconception said:
You're still fixed on the Raikage thing show me a scan were Sasuke actually tried to use Genjutsu on Raikage... Genjutsu isn't even my main argument but your constantly bringing that up for what.??? Until you give counters for the rest of my valid reasons why Sasuke takes this then don't reply please...

Sorry for the double...

Your proving my point as the last post wasnt a counter post.

1. You wanted me counter for Genjutsu.

I gave you a list.

2. You nitpick one part of the list. Gave excuses of why Sasuke couldnt counter Raikage and vise versa.

So now you want me to correct that one part counter, ignore the rest, genjutsu being a factor .Then the rest you decided to added on more reason why Sasuke would win on top of it.

so why should I waste my time again?

~Sky~ · Mar 11, 2014

Ej, you're wasting your time with that guy.

pateuvasiliu · Mar 11, 2014

shelke said:
Sasuke landed a blow on SM Madara and pushed him back, the same Madara who left SM Naruto in dust and stuck rods in Tobirama's head. His Taijutsu was nothing special.

Clearly Sasuke is faster than FTG!

:bouncy:

Penguin · Mar 11, 2014

shelke said:
Sasuke landed a blow on SM Madara and pushed him back, the same Madara who left SM Naruto in dust and stuck rods in Tobirama's head. His Taijutsu was nothing special.

Sasuke pushed him back, but Madara was not even trying unless you are saying Sasuke's taijutsu and kenjutsu are on the level of Rinnegan Madara + SM. Madara got hit on purpose, he angled his arm to trap Sasuke's sword, because he knew he had Hashirama's regenerating abilities.

Tobirama is faster and can react faster than any version of Sasuke.

shelke · Mar 11, 2014

pateuvasiliu said:
Clearly Sasuke is faster than FTG!

:bouncy:

FTG has little to do with what the character itself does after he teleports to a location. Bee and Madara have both shown that with reflexes FTG is not an issue.

@Penguin

I don't see the point. Just an excuse to not grant a guy his feat. His pushed him back with his Kenjutsu and stabbed his arm. Madara couldn't even parry effectively, when an effective parry for Kenjutsu was shown through Itachi parrying Bee's 7 sword attacks. Whether he could heal or not or whatever he had at his disposal is pointless.

On foot? I don't think so.

@Sky

The guy is bringing out excellent arguments. I would say the exact opposite, given the utter lack of evidence as to how Tobirama accomplishes what. None at all, other than outlandish claims. Then fans here have the gall to suggest that they are wasting time.

The epitome of immaturity.

Misconception · Mar 11, 2014

EjBlack said:
Your proving my point as the last post wasnt a counter post.

1. You wanted me counter for Genjutsu.

I gave you a list.

2. You nitpick one part of the list. Gave excuses of why Sasuke couldnt counter Raikage and vise versa.

So now you want me to correct that one part counter, ignore the rest, genjutsu being a factor .Then the rest you decided to added on more reason why Sasuke would win on top of it.

so why should I waste my time again?

Your still talking about Genjutsu that was even my main argument on why Sasuke>Tobirama until you address my real argument your dismissed...

pateuvasiliu said:
Clearly Sasuke is faster than FTG!

:bouncy:

FTG is teleporting speed/instantaneous speed Juubito nor Juubidara aren't even close to that speed There just faster than Tobirama striking speed... Do you get what im saying he can ftg infront of Sasuke but Sasuke has proven multiple times he can evade Tobirama's striking speed...

Penguin. said:
Sasuke pushed him back, but Madara was not even trying unless you are saying Sasuke's taijutsu and kenjutsu are on the level of Rinnegan Madara + SM. Madara got hit on purpose, he angled his arm to trap Sasuke's sword, because he knew he had Hashirama's regenerating abilities.

Tobirama is faster and can react faster than any version of Sasuke.

Ftg does not make you faster than someone... Tobirama hasen't show any speed feats Taijutsu/striking wise that could compare to V2 Juubito movements which Sasuke clearly saw... If he can see Juubito move he can easily dodge/block Tobirama's striking speed...

Penguin · Mar 11, 2014

shelke said:
FTG has little to do with what the character itself does after he teleports to a location. Bee and Madara have both shown that with reflexes FTG is not an issue.

@Penguin

I don't see the point. Just an excuse to not grant a guy his feat. His pushed him back with his Kenjutsu and stabbed his arm. Madara couldn't even parry effectively, when an effective parry for Kenjutsu was shown through Itachi parrying Bee's 7 sword attacks. Whether he could heal or not or whatever he had at his disposal is pointless.

On foot? I don't think so.

@Sky

The guy is bringing out excellent arguments. I would say the exact opposite, given the utter lack of evidence as to how Tobirama accomplishes what. None at all, other than outlandish claims. Then fans here have the gall to suggest that they are wasting time.

The epitome of immaturity.

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Speed, and Reactions.

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of his generation, putting him ahead of speedsters like Hashirama and Madara. Now since you can use A>B>C in speed terms, I shall show you some feats of both Hashirama and Madara.

1.) Hashirama was casually
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and out running the Perfect Susano'o. He put
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to summon the
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gates before the Tailed Beast Bomb hit him.

2.) Madara, who was blind and had no SM enhancements,
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whilst going after Hashirama. SM Naruto barely got his hands up to defend. Madara was also casually
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of the shinobi alliance.

3.) Tobirama and Hashirama got
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by the mindless Juubito. Mind you, no one has seen Juubito's speed prior to this blitz. Minato even realizes how
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Juubito is, but during mid blitz, Tobirama stuck
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and
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on Juubito without him noticing. Minato and Tobirama also showed
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to each other's Hiraishin. The fourth hokage
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Tobirama on how quick he is. See how long Minato and the gang realizes the bomb is attached to Minato?
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->
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->
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. Tobirama outran everyone near the bomb and teleported it mid explosion. Even when Madara had Sage Mode and the Rinnegan, Tobirama used Hiraishin at the
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to avoid a deadly blow and gain the upper hand.

That is why Tobirama's taijutsu and kenjutsu are so lethal, his Hiraishin. But his natural speed and reflexes are more than enough to pressure most fighters. Tobirama has been
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against Izuna and other Uchiha. Even during his late teenage/early adult years, Tobirama
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against Izuna, showing that he is quite proficient and he can match very powerful opponents.

This is comparing an almost max Tobirama vs max EMS Sasuke's striking speed and reactions. Sasuke got blitz'd with info on Juubito's speed whilst Tobirama reacted to it and countered by sticking papers bombs and a Hiraishin mark on Juubito. Tobirama did it so fast Juubito didn't even notice. This was against the same opponent with Sasuke have the advantage of seeing Juubito's max speed by the way.

Who is faster between Madara and Sasuke?

~Sky~ · Mar 11, 2014

shelke said:
@Sky

The guy is bringing out excellent arguments. I would say the exact opposite, given the utter lack of evidence as to how Tobirama accomplishes what. None at all, other than outlandish claims. Then fans here have the gall to suggest that they are wasting time.

The epitome of immaturity.

There's no outlandish claims to Tobirama countering Genjutsu. What is outlandish is the notion of a guy who spent his entire life combatting Uchiha's getting caught in a Sharingan Genjutsu.

Not immature at all, it's common sense from a portrayal standpoint.

pateuvasiliu · Mar 11, 2014

FTG has little to do with what the character itself does after he teleports to a location. Bee and Madara have both shown that with reflexes FTG is not an issue.

Lol @ using the Bee situation, when Minato wasn't even trying to kill him.

If you honestly think that, you're implying Bee can unsheathe a sword faster than Obito can use Kamui ( which is moronic ).

Sasuke has proven multiple times he can evade Tobirama's striking speed...

Huh? When did Sasuke evade someone as fast as a FTG user?

There's no outlandish claims to Tobirama countering Genjutsu.

Sensing / Speed / Clones.

Pick one.

Champ · Mar 11, 2014

Vote Sasuke. High diff

shelke · Mar 11, 2014

Penguin. said:
This is comparing an almost max Tobirama vs max EMS Sasuke's striking speed and reactions. Sasuke got blitz'd with info on Juubito's speed whilst Tobirama reacted to it and countered by sticking papers bombs and a Hiraishin mark on Juubito. Tobirama did it so fast Juubito didn't even notice. This was against the same opponent with Sasuke have the advantage of seeing Juubito's max speed by the way.

Who is faster between Madara and Sasuke?

The same way Tobirama was blitzed? Had he been alive, he would have died there and then, let alone stick papar bombs anywhere. You keep forgetting that Tobirama is not alive and is an Edo. Even getting blitzed would still warrant him an opening. Let's not exaggerate. Madara seems faster.

Let's see Sasuke's Speed Feats as this won't end:

There are plenty of other feats, but I would high-light only a few ones:

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