Minato not being good in SM is an understatement, as said by Minato himself!

[Bogard]

@Bogard

Bringing Sasuke into your argument and that too from way back when Sasuke had yet to even start Chidori training is not helping your case, at all. Fact remains, Mianto's statements are clear cut and to the point. Any 5th grader which excruciatingly poor English Skills through a bit of flicking through the dictionary and a little googling will fathom. I am bamboozled by your slinking around something that doesn't leave any room for interpretations.

You are using outlandish examples that don't support your argumentation at all. Minato plainly and simply said that even calling his SM bad, is an understatement. Where does his SM use lie then? Any intelligent man can guess. You Minato fans are just embarrassing yourselves, honestly. Kishimoto pulled a plot-hole with Minato, and a dire a livid one at that and now, he covered it up rather perfectly. Otherwise, there really was no excuse for him to not use his supposed perfect SM against a man he thought to be Madara.

How does time relate to a comparison between manga statements? Regardless of the period in time, the fact remain Sasuke was called incompetent despite being perfectly able to make his chakra in use, and that's the point i'm making here with the Minato counter-example. I used Sasuke as an example to make the discussion with you possible but as i feared you are ignoring the statement regardless

 

[shelke]

^ Which scans? Minato not lasting more than 5 seconds tops in SM or his embarrassing confession? They have been posted time and time again with no avail. Man, this must be Anglo-Saxon era English that no one is able to grasp.

 

[iNotorious]

Yeah, that one^

 

[shelke]

@Boagrd

How does it retract away from Minato's confession? He says that he's so bad that it's an understatement. He states he cannot maintain it for long and it takes too long to even knead the chakra for its initiation. Then he goes on to state its poor battle usage. Please tell me; what's left there to speculate? By god ...

 

[iNotorious]

That seems to happen alot in this thread.

You mean every thread.​

 

[TheSages456]

Naruto gathering fast senjutsu chakra is because Kurama.........

you couldnt have said anything more irrelevant. kurama is a part of narutos power. they arent separate.

naruto stating that natural energy absorption is fast in biju mode=naruto can gather sage chakra quickly.

Minato threw a kunai then entered SM dont deny Manga facts . We are saying he can use it in combats . Why only Against Juubi Jins ? There arent much ninjas who are able to dodge the Attack that Minato made.................

Minato: "That's an understatement. It takes me too long to build up the chakra, plus I can't maintain it long.
I haven't used it much in real combat, either."

i dont want to hear any of this nonsense about minato entering sage mode quickly.

 

[Gold Lightning]

you couldnt have said anything more irrelevant. kurama is a part of narutos power. they arent separate.

naruto stating that natural energy absorption is fast in biju mode=naruto can gather sage chakra quickly.

Minato: "That's an understatement. It takes me too long to build up the chakra, plus I can't maintain it long.
I haven't used it much in real combat, either."

i dont want to hear any of this nonsense about minato entering sage mode quickly.

He entered sage mode quickly.

Unless you think he did it while moving, which is even more impressive.

 

[iNotorious]

He entered sage mode quickly.

Unless you think he did it while moving, which is even more impressive.

Well the dialogue between madara 1 and madara 2 is more likely 1-2 minutes.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well the dialogue between madara 1 and madara 2 is more likely 1-2 minutes.​

Which is all fine and dandy except there is no proof whatsoever of the time Minato starts gathering senjutsu. We always see Naruto and Hashirama close their eyes/meditate or something but the scans just show it instantly. Plus Minato throws a kunai (meaning he moved) and then in Minatos next panel you see the SHH/SUU effects indicating Minato's sage mode activation (the marks appearing over his eyes). And we also see motion lines in that scan, meaning more movement?!

Now I'm not saying it was instanly because there is time between the time he throws the kunai and Gaara creating a sand wall. And we see on the middle panel that the sand is still rising as and we see the kunai at madara's feet but still minato has not teleported.

He teleports in the next panel. I'm just judging by how the scans seemed to portray it.

 

[iNotorious]

Which is all fine and dandy except there is no proof whatsoever of the time Minato starts gathering senjutsu. We always see Naruto and Hashirama close their eyes/meditate or something but the scans just show it instantly. Plus Minato throws a kunai (meaning he moved) and then in Minatos next panel you see the SHH/SUU effects indicating Minato's sage mode activation (the marks appearing over his eyes). And we also see motion lines in that scan, meaning more movement?!

Now I'm not saying it was instanly because there is time between the time he throws the kunai and Gaara creating a sand wall. And we see on the middle panel that the sand is still rising as and we see the kunai at madara's feet but still minato has not teleported.

He teleports in the next panel. I'm just judging by how the scans seemed to portray it.

Maybe we're going to get more details when the anime comes around.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Maybe we're going to get more details when the anime comes around.​

Best to wait for that to hopefully clear things up, at least you're being reasonable.

I just can't stand when people presume things then label it fact. I'm well aware of Minato's SM constraints, but what is one supposed to believe when it appears that the author contradicts such statement by showing that it only takes 2 panels to enter SM, and while the user is moving at that -_-

Totally unclear.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You mean every thread.​

You have a point there.

 

[AmitDS]

I don't get it. How can he have PERFECT SM but not be good at it? Obviously his is weaker than Jiraiya's and he had imperfect SM. I thought all u really had to do was achieve it and your jutsu power, speed, sensing, reaction etc. would automatically increase.

 

[iNotorious]

Best to wait for that to hopefully clear things up, at least you're being reasonable.

I just can't stand when people presume things then label it fact. I'm well aware of Minato's SM constraints, but what is one supposed to believe when it appears that the author contradicts such statement by showing that it only takes 2 panels to enter SM, and while the user is moving at that -_-

Totally unclear.

You know you can't identify of how long time happens in a manga panel, better wait for them animations.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

I don't get it. How can he have PERFECT SM but not be good at it? Obviously his is weaker than Jiraiya's and he had imperfect SM. I thought all u really had to do was achieve it and your jutsu power, speed, sensing, reaction etc. would automatically increase.

The same way when Naruto first learned it and wasn't that good either. He still had to practice a lot and even after all that practice his limit was only 5 mins. It just requires more training, which is something Minato may not have done enough of before his untimely death.

Jiraya's is not better because he actually cannot enter sage mode at all without the toad sages on his shoulders. If Minato uses Fukasaku and Shima then there'd be no issue. Even Fukasaku wanted to latch himself onto naruto's shoulder to increase his time limit, but Kurama wouldn't let him.

Which is why all this Minato is "bad" at senjutsu may just mean he is similar to Naruto when he just entered sage mode. Naruto has the same issues, no one said anything back then. And Jiraya can't even use it by himself U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

He entered sage mode quickly.

Unless you think he did it while moving, which is even more impressive.

Lol.

-Minato states that it takes too long for him to gather the chakra.

-Yet you are STILL saying he entered it quickly? Despite Minato clearly stating that he didn't? The only one who is denying facts at this point is you.

 

[shelke]

God, this thread is still going? Annoying, highly annoying.

 

[xxSAGExx]

The same way when Naruto first learned it and wasn't that good either. He still had to practice a lot and even after all that practice his limit was only 5 mins. It just requires more training, which is something Minato may not have done enough of before his untimely death.

Jiraya's is not better because he actually cannot enter sage mode at all without the toad sages on his shoulders. If Minato uses Fukasaku and Shima then there'd be no issue. Even Fukasaku wanted to latch himself onto naruto's shoulder to increase his time limit, but Kurama wouldn't let him.

Which is why all this Minato is "bad" at senjutsu may just mean he is similar to Naruto when he just entered sage mode. Naruto has the same issues, no one said anything back then. And Jiraya can't even use it by himself U_U

Agreed, Many people seem to forget how Pa toad told Naruto that SM was un-usable in battle since he has to be still in order to gather the natural energy and that can't be done with the enemy in front of him. So he would have to either hide until he's in SM while his comrades by him time or fuse with Ma and Pa toad to aid him but Naruto couldn't fuse because of Kurama and used his clones. SM only lasted for 5 mins for Naruto in Pein arc and he used clones to gain more experiences as he was learning SM. Seeing how Minato is in Perfect SM, he knows how to draw in natural energy, be completely still and balance it with his chakra like Naruto in Pein Arc.

Naruto then began to train to make SM longer during the kage summit arc. Naruto himself called SM useless when he heard he can't use it in a straight up battle but he then started to use clones to get around that, Pa toad explained the risks here

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[Conspirator.]

It takes Minato too long to enter SM-which he himself stated. Only deranged Minato fanboys think otherwise.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It takes Minato too long to enter SM-which he himself stated. Only deranged Minato fanboys think otherwise.

To long in the midst of battle. No one can stop Minato from dropping a kunai, teleporting to the hokage mountain, finish meditating there, then teleport back into the fight. Really, it's not to long for any situation.