Can we all agree on Orochimaru's Sage Mode?

[Shadow Phantasm]

I thought Orochi said he had no interest in acquiring power or destroying the leaf etc. he said he is focusing on Sasuke. So if anyone is getting Kabuto's DSM it would be Sasuke.

Side Note: Why yall say he cant absorb SM, Madara did it, maybe Orochi has a way to just absorb the SM energy, since he technically already learned it through Kabuto

Orochimaru's sole ambition in life is to learn every kind of jutsu in the world.Since some techniques can only be used by SM users it would make sense for him to learn it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

We don't really know what kind of SM Orochimaru has since he never showed it because of having a weak body.

Your sig is funny btw.

Thanks. It was meant to be. The fact that Orochimaru couldn't get a strong enough body is why I think he doesn't have perfect SM BTW.

 

[WolfHaley]

He doesn't require Sennin mode. The Senjutsu chakra he wields is enough.

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Already mentioned this. It's interesting though, as there's a clear distinction between the modes Oro could potentially use them at the same time.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Thanks. It was meant to be. The fact that Orochimaru couldn't get a strong enough body is why I think he doesn't have perfect SM BTW.

Like I said we don't really know how strong his SM is until Orochimaru shows it off.if it's anything like Kabuto's then he does'nt need to be a Perfect Sage because Orochimaru has years worth of jutsu under his belt that will be magnified with even a basic SM.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Like I said we don't really know how strong his SM is until Orochimaru shows it off.if it's anything like Kabuto's then he does'nt need to be a Perfect Sage because Orochimaru has years worth of jutsu under his belt that will be magnified with even a basic SM.

Actually, I'm not sure if you know this, but Kabuto's a perfect sage.

 

[Jimmy the Bard]

Wouldn't be surprised if we see Orochimaru in Sage Mode, at the point they have to fight him or something.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Actually, I'm not sure if you know this, but Kabuto's a perfect sage.

Really?Where was that stated?Kabuto has snake like features which would indicate his SM Isn't perfect,just like how Jiraiya had frog features.

 

[saw2097]

Really?Where was that stated?Kabuto has snake like features which would indicate his SM Isn't perfect,just like how Jiraiya had frog features.

Different rules seem to apply to DSM.

Kabuto mentioned that his version was perfect because he wasn't a snake anymore he was a dragon now.

I do believe that if Oro gets DSM he will be stronger then Kabuto, simply because Kabuto has already been redeemed so if Oro pulls a double cross it would be rather pointless if he losses easily to a former flunky.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Really?Where was that stated?Kabuto has snake like features which would indicate his SM Isn't perfect,just like how Jiraiya had frog features.

I don't have the Viz scan, but when Kabuto first showed himself in DSM, the viz scan had him saying "In the end, Orochimaru couldn't become a true sage like me." That implies his DMS is a true SM. I was confused about the snake features as well, but somebody pointed out that it's because of Orochimaru's cells.

Different rules seem to apply to DSM.

Kabuto mentioned that his version was perfect because he wasn't a snake anymore he was a dragon now.

I do believe that if Oro gets DSM he will be stronger then Kabuto, simply because Kabuto has already been redeemed so if Oro pulls a double cross it would be rather pointless if he losses easily to a former flunky.

Kaubto would still be stronger. The most dangerous thing about Kabuto was not his SM, but his diversity.

 

[saw2097]

I don't have the Viz scan, but when Kabuto first showed himself in DSM, the viz scan had him saying "In the end, Orochimaru couldn't become a true sage like me." That implies his DMS is a true SM. I was confused about the snake features as well, but somebody pointed out that it's because of Orochimaru's cells.

Actually I think that the snake features are more about Japanese mythology.

In Japanese mythology, a Dragon is basically a more evolved Snake, another word for a Japanese dragon would be a flying serpent.

 

[xxSAGExx]

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As Orochimaru obtained all of Kabuto's recently acquired info it also means he has his memories of learning under the Snake Sage, and considering his already massive Chakra reserves just got a boost in size, holding onto Senjutsu Chakra will not be difficult at all.

The problem he had in the past was that he had a weak body, which I don't think anyone would try to argue that a body comprised almost entirely of Hashirama's cells would be weak by any means. It may just be that Orochimaru still needs to perform modifications on his body, similar to how he's not used any of Zetsu's abilities.

I'm also curious as to weather or not he has Jugo's enzyme inside him, as he seems to be able to dispense the curse mark to whomever he pleases.

It's just a matter of time.

I think a lot of people got things wrong with Orochimaru and SM. First, Orochimaru only took his chakra that resided in Kabuto, he didn't take any Senjutsu since that was released with SM. Orochimaru didn't have trouble learning SM because he had a weak body since learning SM does not require you having a strong body at all, you have to learn to be one with nature ( be completely still), learn to sense/see/gather natural energy and balance it with your chakra (physical energy and spiritual energy). Orochimaru tried gaining Juugo's clan ability into his own body like how he did with Hashirama's abilities in Yamato or Kabuto with Karin's, Suigetsu's and Orochimaru's.

Orochimaru couldn't copy the ability this way so made the CM; Kabuto said Juugo's clan members have special bodies that allow them to absorb natural energy afterall. Kabuto even said Orochimaru couldn't become a true sage like him so we can guess that Orochimaru had an imperfect SM like Jiraiya did. It wasn't that he didn't know about the training but that he couldn't complete it with his skills. The CM are made by Juugo's enzymes. SM training only requires a large chakra reserve and the determination to complete the training, both Naruto and Kabuto were determine to surpass their masters. Large chakra reserve is so you don't get overwhelmed by the natural energy while you learn to balance it with your chakra.

 

[sharingansennin]

Except, for whatever reason, Orochimaru has already tried to acheive Sage Mode and couldn't....at least not completely. He didn't take it from Kabuto, but he took his own chakra/DNA back and lef Kabuto's alone(my guess out of some twisted respect for his first student)

I don't think he can just steal Sage Mode from Kabuto. If he has, it will probably be to the effect of Minato's where it's watered down or something he cannot maintain for long.

Orochimaru's Former body was not capable of handling sage mode i've seen a scan saying it