Madara as the Juubi Jin feels anticlimactic

[Zol]

I reread some of the war since the end of the long Hashirama flashback, and really, the current battle with Madara feels very anticlimactic.

Back when Obito became the Juubi's Jin, it was a huge issue, everyone was pretty much like "OMG, he's the fricking Juubi's Jin, we're so f*cked!!!!!!" and he pulled out amazing feats like tearing apart all these gates and the barrier, pummeling the Hokages, summoning that giant plant thing which fired 4 Bijuudamas etc. Not to speak of the god tree.

People were actually debatting if Hashirama and Madara TOGETHER could do anything to Obito - and that was when he was still in his mindless state.

And now, with Madara as an even more powerful Juubi's Jin, we are talking about how much damage Gai could do to him? Seriously? And Madara just stands there firing his orbs and that's it. You don't get the feeling of extreme power and despair we got from Obito. It's just some guy with a new outfit and powerup, which possibly can be beaten by Gai, Kabuto etc. (not in reality, of course, but this is the feeling we get from the latest chapters).

 

[Rize]

Pretty sure that Minato stated that Madara was even stronger than Obito. People on Narutobase are all hyped about eight gates.. But Remeber, Madara has seen the red steam before, so he obviously one that battle. He also told Hashirama that only he could fight Madara evenly. So Jubi Jin Madara probably> gai.

 

[Zol]

Pretty sure that Minato stated that Madara was even stronger than Obito. People on Narutobase are all hyped about eight gates.. But Remeber, Madara has seen the red steam before, so he obviously one that battle. He also told Hashirama that only he could fight Madara evenly. So Jubi Jin Madara probably> gai.

Obviously. And as I said, of course Madara Jin is stronger than Obito Jin, the thing is, it just doesn't feel like it because he is presented in such a underwhelming way.

 

[whoami28]

It seems that Madara really wants to be a complete Juubi Jinchuriki, so he may be wanting to not have anyone else around to hamper his plans. I expect he is waiting to get the rest of the kyuubi chakra from Naruto and his other rinnegan before he truly starts his plan. Perhaps there are still parts of his plan that he has not shared.

 

[brownbear]

No,anticlimactic will be tenten using the sage tools to bring about his down fall. Its an obvious set up.

For the first time I'm hoping for an asspull from kishi.

 

[phantomlord22]

Gai is just going to buy some time!
It's time for the blue beast to turn to read!
even madara knew about and it's so powerful!
gai will fight honorably, but yeah that's not enough to defeat juubi-Madara
give the guy some credit

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Yes, its anticlimatict mostly because Rikudo Madara these past two chapters has been severly underwhelming. Sure, its two chapters, - kishi can easily bring everything up to speed by having Rikudo madara acutally use abilties that produce feats greater than his previous forms- because so far, after gaining the juubi jink he doesnot seem any stronger.

This is the problem
-Edo Madara beat the gokage rather easily
-Alive Madara beat Sasuke,Naruto, all the biju, tobirama, without any difficulty whatsoever.

How can anyone believe that Madara, the man who just a few chapters ago without any difficutly defeated the strongest nin in the verse- and since then obtianed the strongest powerup available ( juubi) doesnot completly erradicate all of his enemies isntantly?

Alive Madara ( with sage mode) has the feats to freeze gai in place, just like he froze tobirama and sasuke- and slaughter him no diff.
The problem is that, feat wise Rikudo Madara is the weakest version of Madara besides old man Madara, and kid Madara. When in reality, he should by far be the strongest.

-First, obito who has less juubi chakra than madara, had the ability to make his omnyouton orbs expand/explode on contact.- If Madara did that when he attacked obito and kakashi--- both Guy and kakashi would be dead.

In my opinion kishi didnot deliver on the hype, as hasnot delivered on the juubi's hype very well.

-When he introduced Edo Madara- we saw small city sized katons, susanoo,rinnegan, and two meteors falling, and a mokuton forest- next time we saw him he made 25 clones, all with susnaoo, we saw PS cut mountains.

-When we saw VOTE Madara- we saw Madara meld Susanoo with kyubi, cutting 6+ mountains in the distance with his sword swings. We saw Madara combine a bijudama with his sword at throw it at massivley hypersonic speeds- reaching opposite shorelines near instantly.

-When we saw Old and Dieing Madara- he infused his will into cells- creating a artificial being.

-When we saw Madara reviving himself he used taijustu to subdue SM Naruto, and easily beat EMS Sasuke with taijustu, even though Sasuke had a katana. He then Immediatly captured all the biju, stole sage mode, and beat tobirama.

This is what is dissapoitning and pathetic

-When Rikudo Madara appears,- he acts seemingly like a idiot ( throwing away the sage of six path tools) fortunatly he is able to react to yondaimes hiraishen, he cuts his arm off, then kicks him away so hard that he breaks though gaaras sand shield. When things are looking good, kishi decides to make Madara, who absorbed the progenitor, appear rediculously weak.

-He fires two out of ten omnyouton orbs, which don't explode/expand-like they always seem to do, instead they act like cannonballs--at this points narutos super mini bijudama is more threatning.- he misses obito ( which is understanable, kmaui x2 was a good plan) but then gai pushes kakashi out of the way, and since the orbs have no AOE- kakashi and Gai are unharmed.

-Then, the same guy who before gaining rikudo mode-speed blitzed sage mode naruto, manhandles sasuke, and easily beat tobirama,-don't forget that in rikudo mode he reacted to Minato's hiraishin.- Unfortunatly, after Madara does all of that, Gai gets close to him, and then fires another useless orb that does nothing-seriously, considering the DC juubito dished out- Madara's casual orbs should be small city level.- easy.

-Does kishi not know, that with Madara's feats- the second Gai started powering up Madara could have used rimbo and slaughtered him?- or instead of firing a orb on the downed guy, he should have rinbo then. Yes, I want to see the 8th gate, but not at the expense of destroing any credibility Madara has as a villain.

This point in the manga is anticlimactic mainly because, after absorbing the juubi,you would expect him to be several teirs above his previous self- however, currently he is weaker!!- every other appearance of Madara has been beastly, so after obtaining the power of a god, you would expect more beastly shit- but instead we get a watered down Madara.

 

[Flakez]

If Madara was to use his full powers everyone would've died already :S

 

[AShinyPlatypus]

At this point, Madara has absolutely annihilated the 5 kage without even trying, taken down the first 2 hokage easily, made the 4th look silly, destroyed Sasuke in an instant, come back to life, acquired the rinnegan, demolished ALL NINE bijuu (pretty much killing Naruto in the process) and then become the juubi jin... He doesn't need to be a character creating despair anymore, he's already done that. As for Gai, we all know he won't really be able to do anything to Madara, he'll just buy time until Naruto and Sasuke get back.

 

[whoami28]

We don't know what kind of control it would take for Madara to keep the Juubi contained within him right now either. Obito didn't have control for some time, perhaps Madara is still struggling internally with all the chakra he has to balance.

 

[Wesker]

Guys, do ANY of you remember what Madara's plan is?

He seemed to be a villain, but in the end, it is just an extreme method for the noble intention.

Maybe he does not want to kill any more people and wipe entire armies with few jutsus (oh how i wish to see some next level Shinra Tensei). It is puzzling why the stronger he gets, the weaker he acts, as if he regresses or something. Though it is pretty obvious that instead of killing those people, he wants to save them, spare them, put them in another state with his Infinite Tsukuyomi.

It is Kishi's screw-up in writing. First he makes Madara do overpowering, extreme attacks and kill a few people to emphasize him as too powerful antagonist to overcome. Then he reverts back to emphasizing Madara's tragic, anti-hero elements with Obito/Madara dialogue and etc.

It would be pretty awkward for Madara to keep announcing his noble intentions, before/after wiping out hundreds of people. Atm, he seems to neutralize people that are only attacking first (and he still spares), or people that are required for his plan to proceed (Naruto).

 

[Zol]

Yes, its anticlimatict mostly because Rikudo Madara these past two chapters has been severly underwhelming. Sure, its two chapters, - kishi can easily bring everything up to speed by having Rikudo madara acutally use abilties that produce feats greater than his previous forms- because so far, after gaining the juubi jink he doesnot seem any stronger.

This is the problem
-Edo Madara beat the gokage rather easily
-Alive Madara beat Sasuke,Naruto, all the biju, tobirama, without any difficulty whatsoever.

How can anyone believe that Madara, the man who just a few chapters ago without any difficutly defeated the strongest nin in the verse- and since then obtianed the strongest powerup available ( juubi) doesnot completly erradicate all of his enemies isntantly?

Alive Madara ( with sage mode) has the feats to freeze gai in place, just like he froze tobirama and sasuke- and slaughter him no diff.
The problem is that, feat wise Rikudo Madara is the weakest version of Madara besides old man Madara, and kid Madara. When in reality, he should by far be the strongest.

-First, obito who has less juubi chakra than madara, had the ability to make his omnyouton orbs expand/explode on contact.- If Madara did that when he attacked obito and kakashi--- both Guy and kakashi would be dead.

In my opinion kishi didnot deliver on the hype, as hasnot delivered on the juubi's hype very well.

-When he introduced Edo Madara- we saw small city sized katons, susanoo,rinnegan, and two meteors falling, and a mokuton forest- next time we saw him he made 25 clones, all with susnaoo, we saw PS cut mountains.

-When we saw VOTE Madara- we saw Madara meld Susanoo with kyubi, cutting 6+ mountains in the distance with his sword swings. We saw Madara combine a bijudama with his sword at throw it at massivley hypersonic speeds- reaching opposite shorelines near instantly.

-When we saw Old and Dieing Madara- he infused his will into cells- creating a artificial being.

-When we saw Madara reviving himself he used taijustu to subdue SM Naruto, and easily beat EMS Sasuke with taijustu, even though Sasuke had a katana. He then Immediatly captured all the biju, stole sage mode, and beat tobirama.

This is what is dissapoitning and pathetic

-When Rikudo Madara appears,- he acts seemingly like a idiot ( throwing away the sage of six path tools) fortunatly he is able to react to yondaimes hiraishen, he cuts his arm off, then kicks him away so hard that he breaks though gaaras sand shield. When things are looking good, kishi decides to make Madara, who absorbed the progenitor, appear rediculously weak.

-He fires two out of ten omnyouton orbs, which don't explode/expand-like they always seem to do, instead they act like cannonballs--at this points narutos super mini bijudama is more threatning.- he misses obito ( which is understanable, kmaui x2 was a good plan) but then gai pushes kakashi out of the way, and since the orbs have no AOE- kakashi and Gai are unharmed.

-Then, the same guy who before gaining rikudo mode-speed blitzed sage mode naruto, manhandles sasuke, and easily beat tobirama,-don't forget that in rikudo mode he reacted to Minato's hiraishin.- Unfortunatly, after Madara does all of that, Gai gets close to him, and then fires another useless orb that does nothing-seriously, considering the DC juubito dished out- Madara's casual orbs should be small city level.- easy.

-Does kishi not know, that with Madara's feats- the second Gai started powering up Madara could have used rimbo and slaughtered him?- or instead of firing a orb on the downed guy, he should have rinbo then. Yes, I want to see the 8th gate, but not at the expense of destroing any credibility Madara has as a villain.

This point in the manga is anticlimactic mainly because, after absorbing the juubi,you would expect him to be several teirs above his previous self- however, currently he is weaker!!- every other appearance of Madara has been beastly, so after obtaining the power of a god, you would expect more beastly shit- but instead we get a watered down Madara.

Yes, these are pretty much my thoughts.

When the freshly revived Madara caught the Bijuu, defeated Tobirama and Sasuke etc., people were so impressed that some said he is even more powerful than Juubi Jin Obito, which of course is complete nonsense, but it shows how strong Madara was presented at that point.

Judging from the hype of the Juubi and his Jin and Obito's power boost as the Juubi Jin, Rikudo Madara should at the very, very least be about 10 times more powerful than before, but he feels completely unimpressive.

 

[Xāvî1]

madara is way stronger then gai