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he meant it when speaking with sasuke. He said to him the man who tamed the kyubbi, madara uchiha. By common sense, we know that he didn't tame him because if he did so he wouldn't have given it as an achievement of madara.

You doesnt make any sense. Madara was the guy who tamed Kyuubi in the past, its historical fact, and Itachi said just that. It doesnt mean that Itachi would be unable to do the same. Itachi explained it clearly - the ability to tame fox comes with MS, but you pay with your eyesight for it.
 

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You doesnt make any sense. Madara was the guy who tamed Kyuubi in the past, its historical fact, and Itachi said just that. It doesnt mean that Itachi would be unable to do the same. Itachi explained it clearly - the ability to tame fox comes with MS, but you pay with your eyesight for it.
why would itachi say that madara tamed the kyubbi if he tamed him himself? It doesn't make any relavant sense. If he indeed did tame the kyubbi he would've told so to Sasuke. NOT give it as an achievement of another person.
 

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why would itachi say that madara tamed the kyubbi if he tamed him himself?

Lol? How could Itachi tame the Kyuubi when half of it was sealed inside Naruto, and the other half was trapped withing Deaths gods stomach? Itachi never tamed the Kyuubi but this doesnt mean he wouldnt be able to. Itachi never said hes unable to do that.
 

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Lol? How could Itachi tame the Kyuubi when half of it was sealed inside Naruto, and the other half was trapped withing Deaths gods stomach? Itachi never tamed the Kyuubi but this doesnt mean he wouldnt be able to. Itachi never said hes unable to do that.
neither did he say he can do it. But seeing as madara was the one who learned how to do it and who passed it to obito it should be more unlikely that he knew. But of course neither of us can prove it to the other with this much limited information. Let us agree that sasuke wins this fight.
 

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Nope: he clearly stated that the ability to control Kyuubi comes with MS.
Either way, he meant you can't attempt to control the kyubbi without MS. similiar to how you can't attempt to perform kamui using 3 tomoe. While as neither madara, sasuke or itachi can perform kamui even though they all have ms and above. Simple really. Another proof is that madara was the first one to tame the kyubbi where there wre several other mangekyou users other than himself. As i said again, having ms doesn't guarantee the ability of controlling a tailed beast.
 
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Either way, he meant you can't attempt to control the kyubbi without MS. similiar to how you can't attempt to perform kamui using 3 tomoe. While as neither madara, sasuke or itachi can perform kamui even though they all have ms and above. Simple really. Another proof is that madara was the first one to tame the kyubbi where there wre several other mangekyou users other than himself. As i said again, having ms doesn't guarantee the ability of controlling a tailed beast.
Well, it wasnt acutally Itachi, but... ->
 

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Well, it wasnt acutally Itachi, but... ->

Blindness?? but surely that's outdated info as Both obito and Madara has controlled it without going blind
 

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Blindness?? but surely that's outdated info as Both obito and Madara has controlled it without going blind

Well, Madara had EMS. Obito... considering how much he spams Kamui the fact that he and Kakashi didnt go blind yet is one of biggest asspulls in manga. I hope it will be explained, but...
 

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Well, Madara had EMS. Obito... considering how much he spams Kamui the fact that he and Kakashi didnt go blind yet is one of biggest asspulls in manga. I hope it will be explained, but...

When it comes to Sharingan related things i think Kishi just writes things for his convenience not really thinking of what he has already wrote.
 

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This is a stomp in Sasuke's favor. The Mangekyo automatically puts him above Kurama. Restrict it and the fight can go either way with high difficulty though.

Isn't this dependent on weather Sasuke can trap Kyyubi in Genjutsu? If MS Obito is capable i don't see why EMS sasuke isn't able to do so.

Excluding that TBB Makes PS look like a joke. It broke through Madaras susano'o it will do the same to sasukes. If amatarasu will work is doubtful sine Kurama is "Made" of chakra.

Madara's PS tanked 100% Kurama's TBB without even a scratch. Not once did it ever get through. Only Shinsuusenju broke it and that trumps Kurama's Bijuudama by miles.

Sasuke sucks at genjutsu? Man, NB is also full of asinine crap like this. Sasuke's Genjutsu was powerful enough to completely overwhelm and defeat Chee and Orochimaru - both have a 5 in Genjutsu - both Genjutsu experts. Chee couldn't even get up and Sasuke defeated Ororchimaru, when the latter was within his own turf. Chee is Raikage's personal high-end Jounin Body-guard and is apt as using high-Class genjutsu and Ororchimaru and his dream realm where he absorbs his victims needs no validation.

Genjutsu ends it, Amaterasu ends it, PS ends it. Also, if Kurama's charge is interrupted at a crucial level then its TBB would explode in its face as canonically shown through Naruto in 6 tails form and Naruto again in KCM form.

Exactly. It was said his genjutsu was crap in comparison to Itachi's not that it was crap in general, and his numerous feats of besting opponents with it proves that he's quite skilled, just not a master at it.

genjutsu is genjutsu undeniably. However, the level is of importance. Kurenai who was konoha's top genjutsu user got treated like trash infront of itachi. Both were good at genjutsu but one stomped the other. So you're saying that obito who barely knew how to use his sharingan before meeting madara suddenly learned how to control a tailed beast that only madara knew how to without him teaching obito it? I find it very hard to believe. Unless there's a wiki on how to do it, it is obvious that madara teached him it. Nobody can deny it. Manda is not to be compared to the strongest tailed beast. He researched snakes all his like just to canonically control one for a second. Him controlling the kyubbi is very unlikely.

It is a fact that MS gives you the power to control a tailed beast. It is a generic and automatic ability just like copying or precognition. There are no ifs or butts about it. You have no basis to say he needs someone to teach him. Madara himself didn't have a teacher, and Sasuke had to teach himself to use all the other abilities that come with sharingan. Even the databook compared Sasuke controlling Manda to the ability to control the Kyuubi.
 

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Madara's PS tanked 100% Kurama's TBB without even a scratch. Not once did it ever get through. Only Shinsuusenju broke it and that trumps Kurama's Bijuudama by miles.

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HE deflected the TBB and it breached PS
 

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This is a stomp in Sasuke's favor. The Mangekyo automatically puts him above Kurama. Restrict it and the fight can go either way with high difficulty though.



Madara's PS tanked 100% Kurama's TBB without even a scratch. Not once did it ever get through. Only Shinsuusenju broke it and that trumps Kurama's Bijuudama by miles.



Exactly. It was said his genjutsu was crap in comparison to Itachi's not that it was crap in general, and his numerous feats of besting opponents with it proves that he's quite skilled, just not a master at it.



It is a fact that MS gives you the power to control a tailed beast. It is a generic and automatic ability just like copying or precognition. There are no ifs or butts about it. You have no basis to say he needs someone to teach him. Madara himself didn't have a teacher, and Sasuke had to teach himself to use all the other abilities that come with sharingan. Even the databook compared Sasuke controlling Manda to the ability to control the Kyuubi.
where exactly was this fact stated?? Just because two people could use it using MS doesn't make every individual able to. Amaterasu was said to be technique specific to MS but obito can't perform it. Unless done, none other than madara and obito can control kyubbi.
PS- Kyubbi would stomp the living shit out of non-MS SASUKE.
 

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HE deflected the TBB and it breached PS

No, that's not what happened here. PS took thousands of punches from Shin-shuu-senju and then began o flake off. The thing towers over mountains. PS's durability is unmatched bar this Buddha Statue.
 

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No, that's not what happened here. PS took thousands of punches from Shin-shuu-senju and then began o flake off. The thing towers over mountains. PS's durability is unmatched bar this Buddha Statue.

Read it properly, my bad
 
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