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I'm sorry but Tobirama has nothing on Minato, SM is not even required - it'd be too over kill. And yes, Minato can use Sage Mode in battle, it may not last long but since when has minato ever needed a lot of time to wrap things up.
Third Raikage >>>>>> Hiruzen & Tobirama - they each have nothing that can hurt him.
The top 10 at least should be like this:
1. Hashirama
2. Minato/Tobi/Nagato
3. Tobi/Nagato/Minato
4. Nagato/Minato/Tobi
5. Itachi
6. Third Raikage
7. Tobirama
8. Ay
9. Hiruzen
10. Gaara/Mu
Third Raikage >>>>>> Hiruzen & Tobirama - they each have nothing that can hurt him.
The top 10 at least should be like this:
1. Hashirama
2. Minato/Tobi/Nagato
3. Tobi/Nagato/Minato
4. Nagato/Minato/Tobi
5. Itachi
6. Third Raikage
7. Tobirama
8. Ay
9. Hiruzen
10. Gaara/Mu
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I dunno, can Nagato touch Tobi? I don't believe he can.
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Nice list.
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Absolutely atrocious. Minato has no fire power against tobirama. Minato's most formidable jutsu (FTG) is countered, Leaving minato with nonthing but a rasengan in his arsenal.
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And what fire power does Tobirama have apart from his featless edo tensei? A couple water jutsu which are useless against many opponents.
Who has the better speed and S/T jutsu again? Who's ninjutsu, taijutsu, speed, strength, reflexes, perception are enhanced with SM again? Who doesn't have sm again? Who's the one with access to the giant powerful toad summoning and toad sages? Seems like plenty of fire power to me, not that Minato needs anything more than a kunai and rasengan. Don't even get me started on KCM Minato, Tobirama was surpassed a long time ago.
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I'll wait for the viz scan to judge minato on his Sennin mode.
Tobirama has:
Edo tensei Exploding Tags
Suiton of the highest caliber
Kage bunshin
Best sensor
FTG and FTG level 2
Senu DNA and Senju chakra reserves
Intellectual
He has more than enough fire power to fight minato who can only use a rasengan as his offense. Also, Minato's Shunshin is better than tobirama's Not FTG.
I love how you don't take into consideration , Minato KCM , sealing techs & specially space time barrier who will counter everything Tobirams throws at him , I don't see what's wrong with Minato being above Tobirama .
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You love it how i didn't mention those? well KCM is an Edo feat, i thought people knew this.
I don't see how sealing techs or Space time barrier will help minato at all actually.
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And when I see Tobirama actually summon an edo, then I'll include the explosive tag jutsu in his arsenal. But as it stands he has no edo's prepared.
Yes Minato's shunshin is better, but where did I say Minato's FTG is better? I said S/T - Tobirama doesn't have a S/T barrier, he can't teleport as many bodies at once like Minato and unlike Minato, his FTG is slow with clones. Kishi has made it very clear who the superior of the two is but obviously that isn't going to be an easy thing for you guys to admit. Whether Minato's SM lasts for 5 mintues or 30 seconds, he showed the speed in which he can activate it fairly quickly, if Tobirama even approaches Minato in that form then he's finished. The duration of Minato's SM isn't a problem since he's already extremely fast, he doesn't need it long.
What will Water Style attacks do to Minato who can easily shunshin evade or redirect them back at Tobirama. Or Gamabunta who can also shoot forceful water jets.
I guess Minato can't use the shadow clone jutsu now either
SM = Enormous chakra reserves, Manga fact. Minato's stamina is good so senju DNA isn't really an issue
Best, sensor... No
. Minato has shown mostly the same sensing feats, Minato can touch the ground and feel presences (except Minato can do it with 1 finger, while Tobirama uses 2). Both Tobirama and Minato need to knead chakra to sense properly. And SM grants sensing abilities beyond Tobirama's and also enhances Minato's already existing sensing.Who has the dozens of prepped Kunai again, for this ingenuity alone makes Minato's FTG better. Provides more versatility and attacking/escape options. Minato's FTG will always have the advantage, when you show me a scan of Tobirama utilizing this same battle style then you can talk.
Because Minato is dumb and had no great intellectual feats whatsoever -_-
KCM/BM makes Tobirama crap his pants. Edo feat or not, he became a Jin b4 his death, fact. Minato's prime/strongest state is his Jin form. I still count it as his power. There are worse scenrios than Minato's that other people still count as others power.
Sealing Jutsu - Minato is second to none
Chakra control Minato is one of the best.
Reflexes they're pretty much even
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And when I see Tobirama actually summon an edo, then I'll include the explosive tag jutsu in his arsenal. But as it stands he has no edo's prepared.
Yes Minato's shunshin is better, but where did I say Minato's FTG is better? I said S/T - Tobirama doesn't have a S/T barrier, he can't teleport as many bodies at once like Minato and unlike Minato, his FTG is slow with clones. Kishi has made it very clear who the superior of the two is but obviously that isn't going to be an easy thing for you guys to admit. Whether Minato's SM lasts for 5 mintues or 30 seconds, he showed the speed in which he can activate it fairly quickly, if Tobirama even approaches Minato in that form then he's finished. The duration of Minato's SM isn't a problem since he's already extremely fast, he doesn't need it long.
What will Water Style attacks do to Minato who can easily shunshin evade or redirect them back at Tobirama. Or Gamabunta who can also shoot forceful water jets.
I guess Minato can't use the shadow clone jutsu now either
SM = Enormous chakra reserves, Manga fact. Minato's stamina is good so senju DNA isn't really an issue
Best, sensor... No
Who has the dozens of prepped Kunai again, for this ingenuity alone makes Minato's FTG better. Provides more versatility and attacking/escape options. Minato's FTG will always have the advantage, when you show me a scan of Tobirama utilizing this same battle style then you can talk.
Because Minato is dumb and had no great intellectual feats whatsoever -_-
Wow look at this biased wanker.
Tobirama cannot summon an edo? Minato's sensing is on par with Tobirama? Minato can use Sage mode in battle even tho he stated he never uses it in battle?
Do you realize how ignorant you're being right now?
Plus i already told you, Minato's shunshin is better than tobirama's thats it. FTG is the same thing, they are both instant. Their reaction time is on par with each other so i don't see why you would use it.
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All tobirama needs is one touch and it's over for minato. After getting blitzed by rikudo obito, he was able to place the tag on obito almost instantly.
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The explosion is immense, It's good game for minato.
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The only thing Minato has on Tobirama is Faster shunshin, Sealing techs, RDS (which is sucide) and Space time barriers which i repeat are all useless against tobirama as he isn't throwing BIjuu dama's.
Minato's only attack offensively is the rasengan. :|
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Wanker huh, U definitely Mad lol. Sorry that Minato outclasses Tobirama, no need to get so defensive.
Again, tell me where I said Minato's FTG > Tobirama's FTG because it seems your reading skills are severely lacking. I said Minato's S/T ninjutsu exceeds Tobirama's. Minato is more proficient with FTG, not in the speed but the versatility. He can teleport more people, clones don't slow his teleportation down. How am I being biased when this is all true, again the FTG kunai will always give Minato the advange, he can barrage Tobirama from attacks from all different directions and he won't be able to react to them all.
Prove me wrong with the sensing then, because from what I've read - they're pretty much the same level. Yes SM gives better sensing, or are you forgetting how the user basically becomes one with nature and senses all around them?
Again you are talking about edo tensei yet he has no feats with it apart from blowing up his own edo body. Please give me a list of all ninjas he can summon. Because I can give you a list of both Orochimaru's and kabuto's summonings but for some reason I can't seem to find any of Tobirama's
You realize rasengan is all Minato needs on Tobirama right? A Sage Art Rasengan will kill him instantly! Still trying to deny SM feats even though he just used it almost in an instant against the strongest being in the manga?
You didn't counter half my points, fire power wise will always go to Minato. Toads, SM and Rasengan > the Water Style. Show me some edo tensei feats.
BM Minato low diffs the guy.
Your in denial is so bad right now
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Wanker huh, U definitely Mad lol. Sorry that Minato outclasses Tobirama, no need to get so defensive.
Again, tell me where I said Minato's FTG > Tobirama's FTG because it seems your reading skills are severely lacking. I said Minato's S/T ninjutsu exceeds Tobirama's. Minato is more proficient with FTG, not in the speed but the versatility. He can teleport more people, clones don't slow his teleportation down. How am I being biased when this is all true, again the FTG kunai will always give Minato the advange, he can barrage Tobirama from attacks from all different directions and he won't be able to react to them all.
Prove me wrong with the sensing then, because from what I've read - they're pretty much the same level. Yes SM gives better sensing, or are you forgetting how the user basically becomes one with nature and senses all around them?
Again you are talking about edo tensei yet he has no feats with it apart from blowing up his own edo body. Please give me a list of all ninjas he can summon. Because I can give you a list of both Orochimaru's and kabuto's summonings but for some reason I can't seem to find any of Tobirama's
You realize rasengan is all Minato needs on Tobirama right? A Sage Art Rasengan will kill him instantly! Still trying to deny SM feats even though he just used it almost in an instant against the strongest being in the manga?
You didn't counter half my points, fire power wise will always go to Minato. Toads, SM and Rasengan > the Water Style. Show me some edo tensei feats.
BM Minato low diffs the guy.
Your in denial is so bad right now
Terrible Minato wanker.
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Tobirama can and already created techniques to go along with his Edo tensei. All he has to do is summon a few Edo tensei fodders mark them, create kage bunshin's and have them teleport to minato.
Again like i said before, Minato's FTG is countered by tobirama's. there is no point in adding FTG in this as it's useless against tobirama. Yes Minato's FTG is more advanced but that is irrelevant.
Minato has shown to be able to enter sennin mode for 5 seconds, His sensing while in sennin mode could indeed be on par with Tobirama's but you have to remember that it only lasts for 5 seconds. Base minato's sensing is not even close to Tobirama's sensing, this is laughable.
Rasengan will not touch tobirama unless he is marked which will not happen unless minato gets too close which Will work vice versa as minato will also be marked.
When it comes to raw power, Tobirama is obviously superior in every sense as he has a variety of jutsu he can use to attack minato while minato only has a rasengan that won't even kill you as shown many times during this series.
Sealing techniques are none factors here.
In the end of the day, tobirama has a better chance at defeating base minato Than vice versa.
- More Raw power
- Smarter and better at analyzing situations
- More jutsu versatility
- Large chakra reserves able to last minato (Minato's SM isn't great, this is due to his chakra level's not being enough)
- Superior sensing
- More resilient as he has Senju DNA
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Don't forget that Tobirama is a master Kenjutsu User, getting up close to him is not a good idea.
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And lol at you using BM minato in this, Let's not grasp at straws here? We are using Base Minato vs Base Tobirama.
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Gold lighting did you forget third raikage fought ten thousand shinobi's for days and night..went toe to toe with the eight tails couple of times and didn't lose
Itachi doesn't have the stamina to keep up with him..I may be wrong but I doubt I am
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You can't judge the time of Minatos sage mode based on scans so no its not 5 seconds. And there is no way you can become a perfect sage and only use it for 5 seconds - that's grasping at straws. Naruto could do it at least for 5 minutes his first time, it is illogical to think Minato can't at least use it for 2. And explain how a sage art rasengan wont kill tobirama. I like how you assume minato (despite being faster) will never touch tobirama but Tobirama will touch Minato, now that's some serious wanking
Again you do not show me who Tobirama can summon, you say edo fodders but WHO? How do you know tobirama has made any preparations ie sacrifices to use the jutsu. He labelled it forbidden for a reason, did you consider that he may have stopped using it. If you can name me at least 1 fodder he can summon then I will say anything further on the matter but since I know you can't then pipe down.
What is this fire power? Water style jutsu? What else does he have, he has no edo tensei summoning feats. He can't use the jutsu on himself unless he is edo.
And you are so daft, if minato spreads 30 kunai's around Tobirama of course Minato will have the advantage. You say Tobirama counters with ftg, yet he's only shown to use 1 marked kunai in combat. How is 1 marked kunai going to help against dozens of Minatos?
Master kenjutsu user according to you right. Whether it's a blade or sword its all the same, Minato owns people with his kunai, doesn't mean he cant use a sword. I guess everyone who uses a sword in Naruto is a master at kenjutsu because by your logic you can just label anyone you like kenjutsu master. He uses his sword the same way he uses a kunai, just less reach, not saying he isn't good but you can't just give titles to anyone because you feel like it -_-.
Minato's sensing isn't different from Tobirama's, get your head out of his ass, you are clinging to false hopes. Even if Tobirama is slightly better in this department, the gap is marginal. Minato has done the same sesing feats Tobirama has., you are the one wanking.
And once again you make up your own facts. You can't gather senjutsu at all unless you have large chakra, Naruto is better because he's practiced it. Minato hardly used it, that's all.
You keep saying smarter yet you only consider Tobirama's feats this arc and not Minato's previous feats, please just stop.
At the end of the day, KCM nor SM is needed. Minato is too fast, FTG is too versatile, Summonings are overwhelming. Minato in base is more than enough.
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Tobirama fans on fire . Tobirama has nothing to hurt Minato . Do u even know what FTG lvl 2 is ? FTG lvl 2 is to teleport to a moving object like kunai where Tobirama did this ? He teleported the kunai to his hand not his body to the kunai Deal with it Tobirama stand no chance against Minato . Suiton techs gets countered by S/T barrier. Minato > Tobirama Deal with it . Tobirama explosive jutsu i dont see how it will get Minato lol . Edo tenseis u say ? Considering how weak Orochimaru edo tensei was i dont Consider Tobirama Edo Tensei Much stronger than Oro's , at the end of the day Contract Seal > Edo Tensei.
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