Sasuke vs kurama 100%

[Spymoon]

Sasuke can't genjutsu 100% kyubbi. Itachi himself gave it as an accomplishment of madara. There is no proof that Sasuke's susanoo is in the level of madara's. Them both having the same nose is irrelevant. Amaterasu is Sasuke's only choice.

 

[CrystalPad]

Isn't this dependent on weather Sasuke can trap Kyyubi in Genjutsu? If MS Obito is capable i don't see why EMS sasuke isn't able to do so.

Excluding that TBB Makes PS look like a joke. It broke through Madaras susano'o it will do the same to sasukes. If amatarasu will work is doubtful sine Kurama is "Made" of chakra.

 

[Spymoon]

Isn't this dependent on weather Sasuke can trap Kyyubi in Genjutsu? If MS Obito is capable i don't see why EMS sasuke isn't able to do so.

Excluding that TBB Makes PS look like a joke. It broke through Madaras susano'o it will do the same to sasukes. If amatarasu will work is doubtful sine Kurama is "Made" of chakra.

Madara taught obito how to control it. Having MS OR EMS is not of importance. Unless canonically proven sasuke can't (by using common sense) control 100% kyubbi.

 

[Turson]

Madara taught obito how to control it. Having MS OR EMS is not of importance. Unless canonically proven sasuke can't (by using common sense) control 100% kyubbi.

Well, he was able to subdue a little of fox chakras with 3T Sharingan.

 

[CrystalPad]

Madara taught obito how to control it. Having MS OR EMS is not of importance. Unless canonically proven sasuke can't (by using common sense) control 100% kyubbi.

I beg to differ, Genjutsu is genjutsu and there was no legit or explicit proof saying the Madara showed him how to control it. So itt has to be stated that Sasuke can use genjutsu to control a TB? HE controlled Manda just fine at Hebi level, so using this evidence alone we can safely say he currently possesses the skill to control a TB.

 

[Spymoon]

Well, he was able to subdue a little of fox chakras with 3T Sharingan.

subdue a very little portion =/= controlling the full beast.

 

[Turson]

subdue a very little portion =/= controlling the full beast.

Well, he was able to subdue Manda with 3T Sharingan though. According to manga the ability to tame fox comes with MS, Sasuke has EMS now, even more powerful eyes.

 

[CrystalPad]

Well, he was able to subdue Manda with 3T Sharingan though. According to manga the ability to tame fox comes with MS, Sasuke has EMS now, even more powerful eyes.

This. Pretty much re-enforced my statement.

 

[Spymoon]

I beg to differ, Genjutsu is genjutsu and there was no legit or explicit proof saying the Madara showed him how to control it. So itt has to be stated that Sasuke can use genjutsu to control a TB? HE controlled Manda just fine at Hebi level, so using this evidence alone we can safely say he currently possesses the skill to control a TB.

genjutsu is genjutsu undeniably. However, the level is of importance. Kurenai who was konoha's top genjutsu user got treated like trash infront of itachi. Both were good at genjutsu but one stomped the other. So you're saying that obito who barely knew how to use his sharingan before meeting madara suddenly learned how to control a tailed beast that only madara knew how to without him teaching obito it? I find it very hard to believe. Unless there's a wiki on how to do it, it is obvious that madara teached him it. Nobody can deny it. Manda is not to be compared to the strongest tailed beast. He researched snakes all his like just to canonically control one for a second. Him controlling the kyubbi is very unlikely.

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke stomps kurama. All he needs to do is control kurama for an instant(which is a piece of cake) and then follow it up with an amaterasu to decapacitate him.

 

[Turson]

genjutsu is genjutsu undeniably. However, the level is of importance. Kurenai who was konoha's top genjutsu user got treated like trash infront of itachi. Both were good at genjutsu but one stomped the other. So you're saying that obito who barely knew how to use his sharingan before meeting madara suddenly learned how to control a tailed beast that only madara knew how to without him teaching obito it? I find it very hard to believe. Unless there's a wiki on how to do it, it is obvious that madara teached him it. Nobody can deny it. Manda is not to be compared to the strongest tailed beast. He researched snakes all his like just to canonically control one for a second. Him controlling the kyubbi is very unlikely.

It doesnt work that way. As Itachi explainded, the ability to control the fox comes with MS. Why Sasuke, who now has even more powerful eyes would be unable to do it? It doesnt have any sense.

 

[Spymoon]

Well, he was able to subdue Manda with 3T Sharingan though. According to manga the ability to tame fox comes with MS, Sasuke has EMS now, even more powerful eyes.

even itachi himself admitted that he can't control the kyubbi. And he is the best genjutsu user we've seen. As i've already said eyes are of little relavance. Obito managed to do it using MS while itachi failed. If as you imply it depends on the eye then itachi would've succeded especially seeing he's a better genjutsu user than obito. Edit- it obviously needs a special way similar to how ma and pa needs a special summong ritual.

 

[Turson]

even itachi himself admitted that he can't control the kyubbi. And he is the best genjutsu user we've seen. As i've already said eyes are of little relavance. Obito managed to do it using MS while itachi failed. If as you imply it depends on the eye then itachi would've succeded especially seeing he's a better genjutsu user than obito.

When did he said that?

 

[CrystalPad]

genjutsu is genjutsu undeniably. However, the level is of importance. Kurenai who was konoha's top genjutsu user got treated like trash infront of itachi. Both were good at genjutsu but one stomped the other. So you're saying that obito who barely knew how to use his sharingan before meeting madara suddenly learned how to control a tailed beast that only madara knew how to without him teaching obito it? I find it very hard to believe. Unless there's a wiki on how to do it, it is obvious that madara teached him it. Nobody can deny it. Manda is not to be compared to the strongest tailed beast. He researched snakes all his like just to canonically control one for a second. Him controlling the kyubbi is very unlikely.

She does not possess the Sharinngan, Notice how the Kyyubi had a sharingan eye when he was controlled. This connotes the power of the genjutsu at that time and Obito hasn't shown any other Genjutsu feats since then. Sasuke However has shown Genjutsu feats and though they may not be impressive(Itachi level) He manipulated a beast (Manda). That in itself demonstrates how knowledgeable he is in Gen. The basis of controlling a beast is the same. Since Sasuke has itachis eyes it is safe to say that his talent in gen has risen. I don't see what is preventing him from controlling it; there have been many implication as well as exploits.

 

[Spymoon]

When did he said that?

when speaking with sasuke about obito he said THE MAN WHO TAMED THE KYUBBI, UCHIHA MADARA now using common senseif Itachi had tamed him then he won't be so inclined to say it.

 

[Conspirator.]

People need to realise there is a difference between controlling the kyuubi and using it in battle, and fighting the fox 1 on 1. In the former situation, you need to control the fox for an extended period of time and this takes up an enormous amount of chakra.(this is why madara and obito can do it, while Itachi probably can't in battle) In a 1 on 1 combat situation, you only need to use your genjutsu for a short amount of time disable kurama, which is pretty easy for an EMS user like Sasuke to do.

 

[Turson]

when speaking with sasuke about obito he said THE MAN WHO TAMED THE KYUBBI, UCHIHA MADARA now using common senseif Itachi had tamed him then he won't be so inclined to say it.

What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with my question. I asked when did Itachi said that hes unable to tame the Kyuubi.

 

[Spymoon]

She does not possess the Sharinngan, Notice how the Kyyubi had a sharingan eye when he was controlled. This connotes the power of the genjutsu at that time and Obito hasn't shown any other Genjutsu feats since then. Sasuke However has shown Genjutsu feats and though they may not be impressive(Itachi level) He manipulated a beast (Manda). That in itself demonstrates how knowledgeable he is in Gen. The basis of controlling a beast is the same. Since Sasuke has itachis eyes it is safe to say that his talent in gen has risen. I don't see what is preventing him from controlling it; there have been many implication as well as exploits.

bold- exactly what i mean. Obito who barely knew how to use the sharingan controlled the kyubbi in less than a year. It obviously needs a special practice further proved by the fact that obito till now barely if ever used a sharingan genjutsu. Controlling the kyubbi has nothing to do with the genjutsu level of the master. If it did, then itachi would have been able to easily do it.

 

[shelke]

I would like the see that scan as well.

 

[Spymoon]

What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with my question. I asked when did Itachi said that hes unable to tame the Kyuubi.

he meant it when speaking with sasuke. He said to him the man who tamed the kyubbi, madara uchiha. By common sense, we know that he didn't tame him because if he did so he wouldn't have given it as an achievement of madara.