Tobirama vs Sasuke

[Avinash012]

Any Sasuke below EMS would lose against Lawd Tobirama.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I think MS Sasuke can beat Tobirama but loses more times than he wins

Sasuke will probably open up with a blitz attempt and try to make this cqc. I believe sasuke has enough reaction/cqc feats and good enough pre-cog to not be marked by FTG. Early on Sasuke's attempts to avoid being tagged while up close opens him up to taking the worst of the cqc exchange

But Tobirama's attempts to not look at Sasuke's face to avoid genjutsu prevent him from overwhelming Sasuke and his sleight edge in cqc isn't enough to force sasuke into using susanoo

Sasuke can react to suiton so Tobirama has to turn to edo tensei and shadow clones, which would force sasuke to bring out susanoo to tank explosions, also Tobirama nor his clones have anything strong enough to break through. While inside susanoo sasuke can use Amaterasu and Enton to take care of edo's and any marked kunai Tobirama may have dispersed.

Shadow clones with FTG are a problem for Sasuke but if I remember correctly Tobirama can only FTG one object/body at a time. With sasuke no longer having to deal with edo's this opens the door for Sasuke to get into the air via summon.

At that point it's how long can Tobirama avoid Amaterasu, Enton and Arrows

So I definitely think MS Sasuke can push Tobirama into a corner, problem is, I think MS Sasuke runs out of juice before he can finish.

If any grammer problems, sorry I'm on my phone

 

[copyninKakashi]

Tobirama's Speed and Suiton can take Sasuke with his Susano. Tobirama fought many Sharingans, he is not stupid and know how to do it. He is Uchiha killer.

 

[Misconception]

Tobirama fanboys are insane honestly... Tobirama has no decent counter for genjutsu... Also Sasuke has snake summonings which are easily the most powerful summonings in the series... Tobirama only destructive feat is paper bombs... Not to mention Sasuke can take flight with his hawk and use Amaterasu from the sky... Sasuke is to versatile to lose to Tobirama who lacks any real Offensive attacks...

 

[Arya Stark]

I think Sasuke would win this.

 

[Brooks]

He loses to EMS Sasuke and EMS Sasuke(With Perfect Susanoo).....it's debatable against MS Sasuke(Danzo Fight) with the favorite being MS Sasuke but he wins against the rest.​

 

[shelke]

Tobirama's so called CQC and Blitz is fairly exaggerated. You people make it sound like he's fighting a git, when Sasuke is an expert at Kenjutsu and Taijustu - one of the two best Kenjutsu users in the entire manga. He pushed Madara back and stabbed him, for gods-sake. Speed-wise, Sasuke is one of the fastest characters on foot, add Sharingan Pre-Cog to it, and there is no way Tobirama is blitzing him. Tobirama may have fought Uchihas, but they certainly weren't at Sasuke's level. This isn't as simple a match as you people believe.

Sasuke can simply summon hawk and take to the air. Manda is far too large for Tobirama to deal with who can simply drill its way underground to avoid the blast range. Tobirama's over-rating is insipid in this thread.

 

[Conspirator.]

EMS Sasuke and above wins this. Unfortunately for Tobirama, sasuke has been gaining knowledge of the FTG technique throughout the war. Subsequently, it very unlikely that Sasuke would be dumb enough to engage in a CQC fight with Tobirama. He is far more likely to bring out his susanoo, create a ring of flames around himself and simply overwhelm tobirama with his enton/ammy spam. Another possible tactic is to use his hawk to get into the air(where tobirama can't hurt him) and simply spam his enton all over the battlefield and completely restrict tobirama's movements and kill him. I think MS Sasuke loses to tobirama though, due to the stamina issues that comes with MS.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

how isnt hebi sasuke comparable i wanna know this i would put up a solid counter for tobirama's jutsu

You can't put a decent counter.

-Tobirama is still faster
-Tobirama at his peak w/ Suiton, will be too much
-In these conditions, Tobirama tags Sasuke, guaranteed.

-Tobirama's Edo tactics will be too much.

As, Kidgamer said when concerning ps only people who can compete is someone who has a top tier beast or creation in thier possesion

Then you aren't reading, as Gojō Kibaku Fuda can compete w/ its size.

Do the comparison yourself:

Summoning size compare to Juubi Minion[

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Juubi Minion compare to Wood God and PS[

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Gojo Kibaku Fuda compare to Juubi Minion[

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Now does Gojo Kibaku Fuda need to damage, or break Perfect Sussanoo to beat it? Nope, as it can allow enough concussive force to remove Sussanoo.

Just like what Wood Buddha did to Sussanoo, it NEVER broke Sussanoo at all[

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]. Hashirama clearly stated that it was being striped off, while showing no damage on Sussanoo[

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Tobirama explosive will be doing as much concussive force as Buddha wooden punches.

tobirama is slaughterd easy he lost to madara in a taijutsu fight while he was using his ftg madara needed no Mokuton sharingan or rinnegan to win

You mean the same Madara that slaughtered EMS Sasuke? Sure.

Madara used Sage Mode, period.
Madara did not need his Sharingan as he had his Rinnegan and Sage Mode to make up for it.

That combo is what made Madara broken, to even easily destroy Sasuke so brining up Madara's current condition is irrelevant

tobirama saying he can take on anyform of madara shown canon is a joke

Any form? Where was this stated in the first place? Tobirama acknowledges and knows about EMS Madara's power, since that was the last power he experience with Madara. Yet he was still confident that he was enough to deal with him.[

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No sharingan

Which was made up with Rinningan and Sage Mode

No Mokuton

Which was pointless to use during the fight. And irreverent to the conditions, the discussion, etc.

Tobirama fanboys are insane honestly... Tobirama has no decent counter for genjutsu... Also Sasuke has snake summonings which are easily the most powerful summonings in the series... Tobirama only destructive feat is paper bombs... Not to mention Sasuke can take flight with his hawk and use Amaterasu from the sky... Sasuke is to versatile to lose to Tobirama who lacks any real Offensive attacks...

Calling out Tobirama fanboys being insane, when you are attempting to state that he has no decent counter for genjutsu? Which he faced many Uchiha way before Sasuke's time? He even develop Bushin to even work better in his condition?

Then stating that his paper bombs look meaning-less, when just one paper packs way more then the normal ones people carry, which is continuous, and its scaling rivals PS and Senpou Mokuton?

Then completely ignore Tobirama's Suiton skills that can easily decapitate most Summonings in the series. Or overwhelm by its size, that can be compare to Edo Hiruzen, rationally?

And last, completely ignore his tactics of using FTG, which is more then just use for dodging.

Im not even a Tobirama fanboy to state how dangerous of a character he can be. But of course, the NarutoBase rule is, once you defend that character, you are labeled as a fanboy to them. I have seen this countless of times.

Tobirama's so called CQC and Blitz is fairly exaggerated. You people make it sound like he's fighting a git, when Sasuke is an expert at Kenjutsu and Taijustu - one of the two best Kenjutsu users in the entire manga.

Lol, what. Tobirama picked up a sword way before Sasuke's age. And no I am not talking about how old Tobirama is, I am talking about the age Tobirama began wielding a sword. Much younger then Sasuke[

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He pushed Madara back and stabbed him, for gods-sake.

Anyone that is unarmed will push back lmao. Madara made him stab on purpose which once again a tactic he personally did to with being unarmed.

What did he do immediately, against Tobirama's Kunai Kenjutsu.

Now we both can go back and forth between these two scenarios of Sasuke vs Madara and Tobirama vs Madara, but my point was to show how bias your examples are. Just like ignoring Tobirama Kenjutsu prowess, which he began the same age as Hashirama and Madara.

Speed-wise, Sasuke is one of the fastest characters on foot, add Sharingan Pre-Cog to it, and there is no way Tobirama is blitzing him. Tobirama may have fought Uchihas, but they certainly weren't at Sasuke's level. This isn't as simple a match as you people believe.

I can say vice versa, which people are making it out to be in Sasuke's case.

Sasuke can simply summon hawk and take to the air. Manda is far too large for Tobirama to deal with who can simply drill its way underground to avoid the blast range. Tobirama's over-rating is insipid in this thread.

Um no Tobirama's sensory and Suiton prowess it enough to deal with Summonings, and being a larger target wouldn't be aware of being tagged.

Bias is bias.

 

[WolfHaley]

I love how we discuss Genjutsu like it's some kind of factor.

 

[Minator93]

Tobirama beats all versions of Sasuke U_U

 

[shelke]

Anyone that is unarmed will push back lmao. Madara made him stab on purpose which once again a tactic he personally did to with being unarmed.

What did he do immediately, against Tobirama's Kunai Kenjutsu.

Now we both can go back and forth between these two scenarios of Sasuke vs Madara and Tobirama vs Madara, but my point was to show how bias your examples are. Just like ignoring Tobirama Kenjutsu prowess, which he began the same age as Hashirama and Madara.


I can say vice versa, which people are making it out to be in Sasuke's case.


Um no Tobirama's sensory and Suiton prowess it enough to deal with Summonings, and being a larger target wouldn't be aware of being tagged.

Bias is bias.

Itachi parried Bee's 7-swords assault, without getting stabbed even once. The guy was unarmed. Madara didn't parry effectively, which is why he got stabbed. You, making up excuses for it is kinda ridiculous.

No idea what you are talking about here.

So, let's ignore Sasuke's Kenjutsu, because you believe Tobirama's is superior? Based on what, pal?

Vice-versa? Sasuke is damn fast. Not even a debatable point. Saying that Tobirama is faster on foot is nonsense and without merit and proof.

That little water gun? Sensory prowess? Yeah, they sure are enough.

Exactly my point.

 

[Misconception]

You can't put a decent counter.

-Tobirama is still faster
-Tobirama at his peak w/ Suiton, will be too much
-In these conditions, Tobirama tags Sasuke, guaranteed.

-Tobirama's Edo tactics will be too much.



Then you aren't reading, as Gojō Kibaku Fuda can compete w/ its size.

Do the comparison yourself:

Summoning size compare to Juubi Minion[

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Juubi Minion compare to Wood God and PS[

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Gojo Kibaku Fuda compare to Juubi Minion[

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Now does Gojo Kibaku Fuda need to damage, or break Perfect Sussanoo to beat it? Nope, as it can allow enough concussive force to remove Sussanoo.

Just like what Wood Buddha did to Sussanoo, it NEVER broke Sussanoo at all[

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]. Hashirama clearly stated that it was being striped off, while showing no damage on Sussanoo[

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].

Tobirama explosive will be doing as much concussive force as Buddha wooden punches.



You mean the same Madara that slaughtered EMS Sasuke? Sure.

Madara used Sage Mode, period.
Madara did not need his Sharingan as he had his Rinnegan and Sage Mode to make up for it.

That combo is what made Madara broken, to even easily destroy Sasuke so brining up Madara's current condition is irrelevant



Any form? Where was this stated in the first place? Tobirama acknowledges and knows about EMS Madara's power, since that was the last power he experience with Madara. Yet he was still confident that he was enough to deal with him.[

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]. Even telling Hashirama he do it alone.



Which was made up with Rinningan and Sage Mode



Which was pointless to use during the fight. And irreverent to the conditions, the discussion, etc.



Calling out Tobirama fanboys being insane, when you are attempting to state that he has no decent counter for genjutsu? Which he faced many Uchiha way before Sasuke's time? He even develop Bushin to even work better in his condition?

Then stating that his paper bombs look meaning-less, when just one paper packs way more then the normal ones people carry, which is continuous, and its scaling rivals PS and Senpou Mokuton?

Then completely ignore Tobirama's Suiton skills that can easily decapitate most Summonings in the series. Or overwhelm by its size, that can be compare to Edo Hiruzen, rationally?

And last, completely ignore his tactics of using FTG, which is more then just use for dodging.

Im not even a Tobirama fanboy to state how dangerous of a character he can be. But of course, the NarutoBase rule is, once you defend that character, you are labeled as a fanboy to them. I have seen this countless of times.



Lol, what. Tobirama picked up a sword way before Sasuke's age. And no I am not talking about how old Tobirama is, I am talking about the age Tobirama began wielding a sword. Much younger then Sasuke[

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](At least part 1 Sasuke.)



Anyone that is unarmed will push back lmao. Madara made him stab on purpose which once again a tactic he personally did to with being unarmed.

What did he do immediately, against Tobirama's Kunai Kenjutsu.

Now we both can go back and forth between these two scenarios of Sasuke vs Madara and Tobirama vs Madara, but my point was to show how bias your examples are. Just like ignoring Tobirama Kenjutsu prowess, which he began the same age as Hashirama and Madara.



I can say vice versa, which people are making it out to be in Sasuke's case.



Um no Tobirama's sensory and Suiton prowess it enough to deal with Summonings, and being a larger target wouldn't be aware of being tagged.

Bias is bias.

Tobirama counter for Genjutsu is that he faced multiple Uchiha.???

 

[sharingansennin]

Hebi Sasuke that fought Itachi w/ Orochimaru wins

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tobirama counter for Genjutsu is that he faced multiple Uchiha.???

-With 3-tomoe and MS constant battle, has to apply.
-What did it take for V1 Ay to get caught in a Genjutsu? Exactly, speed counters.
-Kage Bushin counter.
-Low level Edo Tobirama showed better chakra control then P1 Kakashi. P1 Kakashi using 44 signs to to do a Water during the time, while Tobirama did it one hand seal for each water jutsu used. [

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] One Hand Seal. Now you do the match in chakra control with Kakashi in Part2 compare to Part1. And Tobirama in Edo now is almost close to his Prime.

 

[Misconception]

-With 3-tomoe and MS constant battle, has to apply.
-What did it take for V1 Ay to get caught in a Genjutsu? Exactly, speed counters.
-Kage Bushin counter.
-Low level Edo Tobirama showed better chakra control then P1 Kakashi. P1 Kakashi using 44 signs to to do a Water during the time, while Tobirama did it one hand seal for each water jutsu used. [

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]One Hand Seal. [

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] One Hand Seal. Now you do the match in chakra control with Kakashi in Part2 compare to Part1. And Tobirama in Edo now is almost close to his Prime.

Tobirama prime or not Sasuke takes this... Sasuke could have caught Ay win Genjutsu multiple times he stared directly into his sharingan 2x Kishi was introducing Raikage and didn't want the poor man to get 1shotted with Genjutsu is the only reason Sasuke didn't use it...

Tobirama lacks any offensive techs to destroy Sasuke's Bijuu size standing Susanoo... Speedblitz please Tobirama was annihilated trying to go to to toe with Blind Senju Madara while Sasuke on the other hand atleast landed a blow... His suiton is easily countered by Sasuke's raition... Not to mention Sasuke can take flight via hawk... Also he can make the ground an Amaterasu play ground with Bijuu size Enton/Amaterasu arrows...

PS- Clones won't be a problem Naruto is his rival...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tobirama prime or not Sasuke takes this... Sasuke could have caught Ay win Genjutsu multiple times he stared directly into his sharingan 2x Kishi was introducing Raikage and didn't want the poor man to get 1shotted with Genjutsu is the only reason Sasuke didn't use it...

Oh you want me to counter, after reading this part?

 

[Icelerate]

What Sasuke does Tobirama lose to in your opinion?

Sasuke pre sharingan? Tobirama low difficulty
Sasuke vs Haku? Tobirama low difficulty
Sasuke 3T? Tobirama low difficulty
VOTE Sasuke? Tobirama low difficulty
Hebi Sasuke? Tobirama low difficulty
MS Sasuke Tobirama low-mid difficulty
MS Sasuke with good MS control Tobirama mid difficulty
EMS Sasuke Sasuke mid difficulty
EMS Sasuke with PS Sasuke low difficulty

This is assuming Tobirama has access to Gojou Kibakufuda and that they both have manga intel.

 

[shelke]

Tobirama prime or not Sasuke takes this... Sasuke could have caught Ay win Genjutsu multiple times he stared directly into his sharingan 2x Kishi was introducing Raikage and didn't want the poor man to get 1shotted with Genjutsu is the only reason Sasuke didn't use it...

Tobirama lacks any offensive techs to destroy Sasuke's Bijuu size standing Susanoo... Speedblitz please Tobirama was annihilated trying to go to to toe with Blind Senju Madara while Sasuke on the other hand atleast landed a blow... His suiton is easily countered by Sasuke's raition... Not to mention Sasuke can take flight via hawk... Also he can make the ground an Amaterasu play ground with Bijuu size Enton/Amaterasu arrows...

PS- Clones won't be a problem Naruto is his rival...

These are pretty good points as well. People forget that Tobirama doesn't even have enough arsenal to kill Sasuke once he uses CS2. He survived such a massive Blast from Deidara's Clay Bomb at the cost of a single wing. He has no summons, and Manda is a damn resilient snake and a quick one at that.

 

[Misconception]

Oh you want me to counter, after reading this part?

Says the man who says Tobirama counter for Genjutsu is that he faced Uchiha in the past... Also that part wasen't even in my argument i was just explaining to you what happened between Raikage and Sasuke...