i thought this brainstorm was worthy of it's own thread.. naruto juubi mode:

[osba]

naruto does not have the gedo mazo to gather the required nature energy. He does however have a piece of every bijuu inside of him right now.
i think it will be a different take on juubi mode.. he would have about the same chakra as obito had with the bijuu but obito also had the gedo mazo to turn the bijuu into the juubi (wich is WAY stronger chakra-wise because the proportions of chakra to nature energy are way different from naruto's senin mode)..
it will most likely be some kind of advanced sage mode.

basically his body would BE the juubi much like the gedo mazo is the juubi right now.. other than the other two who just sealed the juubi inside of themselves he wouldn't be lending power, he would be using it as if it was his own... i also bet there is a fair amount of chakra that obito and madara needed to use to keep the juubi/bijuu in tone, naruto won't have to do that...


Depending on how the nature energy to chakra will scale if you have all bijuu combined, he will/won't have less chakra, but it will most likely be a stronger, better quality chakra than madara or obito's juubi chakra mode.
Does that make it stronger? i don't know.. it will be interresting to find out though!

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

Yeah but I think Naruto would have more chakra. Uzumaki's are known for large chakra sources and sealing techs. Uchihas are known for powerful jutsu but not huge chakra supplies, the only reason Obito seemed to have so much was probably because of his hashi cells.

 

[Zorø]

I agree..........

 

[osba]

BRB top gear christmass special!

 

[valandil988]

I like the fact you are suggesting Naruto's own body would host the physical form of this new juubi. That sounds pretty interesting. Instead of the gedo mazo.

 

[osba]

I like the fact you are suggesting Naruto's own body would host the physical form of this new juubi. That sounds pretty interesting. Instead of the gedo mazo.

thanks

 

[LBeezy]

I think there's something to say about the bijuu willingly GIVING Naruto chakra, as opposed to Obito or Madara taking the chakra by force. So I hope, that Naruto will be stronger than Obito was and Madara is..

 

[osba]

I think there's something to say about the bijuu willingly GIVING Naruto chakra, as opposed to Obito or Madara taking the chakra by force. So I hope, that Naruto will be stronger than Obito was and Madara is..

he most likely won't be stronger than madara since madara has WAY more chakra to work with.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I agree. Most Naruto's upgrades would be related to his friendship with the bijuus.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Nice thought =d
i agree =d

 

[Meowazziel]

i think it will be a different take on juubi mode.. he would have about the same chakra as obito had with the bijuu but obito also had the gedo mazo turn the bijuu into the juubi (wich is WAY stronger chakra-wise because the proportions of chakra to nature energy are way different from naruto's senin mode)..
it will be some sort of advanced frog sage mode most likely ^.^
depending on how the nature energy to chakra will scale if you have all bijuu combined, he will/won't have less chakra, but it will most likely be a stronger, better quality chakra than madara or obito's juubi chakra mode.
basically his body would BE the juubi much like the gedo mazo is the juubi right now.. other than the other two who just sealed the juubi inside of themselves he wouldn't be lending power, he would be using it as if it was his own... i also bet there is a fair amount of chakra that obito and madara needed to use to keep the juubi/bijuu in tone, naruto won't have to do that... does that make it stronger? i don't know.. it will be interresting to find out though!

Nice topic.
Naruto being befriended with the bijou, will probably indeed give him advantages. I am not sure if chakra is needed to keep the bijou in tone. Naruto has been out of chakra in the past when he wasnt friends with Kurama and he wouldnt get overtaken by Kurama. So I dont think chakra is needed to keep bijou in tone, but something else probably is. I believe having to keep them in tone wont allow you to unleash the full power of the bijou, something you will only reach when having befriended them and when they willingly help you.
Seeing they are not befriended with Madara and not willingly sealed inside them, Madara wont reach that full power, which Naruto is able to reach.

What kind of look are you expecting when they use Naruto's own body, to fuse into one being with Naruto, rather than becomming one being in the gedo mazo and being sealed in Naruto? Are you expecting a human look or more Juubi looking?

 

[osba]

What kind of look are you expecting when they use Naruto's own body, to fuse into one being with Naruto, rather than becomming one being in the gedo mazo and being sealed in Naruto? Are you expecting a human look or more Juubi looking?

i think it will be just an upgrade on the current bijuu mode look as naruto takes kurama's chakra and forms it into his own, he would most likely do the same thing with the chakra of the other bijuu ^.^
... unless the chakra of the combined bijuu + sm would be of a way better quality.. in which case i hope he will look different from obito and madara (the markings and shit would still be there as that is more of a "body rinnegan" kind of feature but i hope it would still be more of a cloak kind of look instead of a complete transformation)

 

[FearxDeath]

You should really try to organize your threads a bit more OSBA lol x__x, you know break down sentences with periods, seperate idea's with paragraphs/page breaks, remove anything that seems redundant or unnecessary so your points dont drag on. Walls of TExt are never easy to read. Like my reply below which is longer than yours but seems easier to read since it is broken up ^__^

Are you saying you think Naruto will become the Juubi's Jinchuriki? If so Why and How could this possibly happen? Or are we just day dreaming here?

Or are we talking about Naruto getting the other half of the Kurama? Which wouldnt make him any stronger since his other half is still in Madara?

Im not really sure what where talking about here? Lastly people like to think of Naruto as being special because he is an Uzumaki in regards to the Senju/Uchiha. People forget that the Senju/Uchiha are just as close IF NOT CLOSER blood-wise in relation to the Sage seeing as they are DIRECT descendants while we can only speculate how close the Uzumaki are, but we KNOW that the Senju and Uchiha are DIRECT related. So then why would we expect an Uzumaki to show special signs in regards to his relation to the Sage when Senju/Uchiha who are the same in relation, if not closer, do no show any signs.

#JustSaying

 

[osba]

You should really try to organize your threads a bit more OSBA lol x__x, you know break down sentences with periods, seperate idea's with paragraphs/page breaks, remove anything that seems redundant or unnecessary so your points dont drag on. Walls of TExt are never easy to read. Like my reply below which is longer than yours but seems easier to read since it is broken up ^__^

Are you saying you think Naruto will become the Juubi's Jinchuriki? If so Why and How could this possibly happen? Or are we just day dreaming here?

Or are we talking about Naruto getting the other half of the Kurama? Which wouldnt make him any stronger since his other half is still in Madara?

Im not really sure what where talking about here? Lastly people like to think of Naruto as being special because he is an Uzumaki in regards to the Senju/Uchiha. People forget that the Senju/Uchiha are just as close IF NOT CLOSER blood-wise in relation to the Sage seeing as they are DIRECT descendants while we can only speculate how close the Uzumaki are, but we KNOW that the Senju and Uchiha are DIRECT related. So then why would we expect an Uzumaki to show special signs in regards to his relation to the Sage when Senju/Uchiha who are the same in relation, if not closer, do no show any signs.

#JustSaying

I did not know that my text was that unreadable; the others seemed to understand, so i'm not sure if the problem lies completely with me.
Your argument is terrible and only a little bit related to what i wrote, sorry >.<

I shall tidy things up a little bit for you.. Its just that i usually write these things as i think of them. edit: done.

 

[FearxDeath]

I did not know that my text was that unreadable; the others seemed to understand, so i'm not sure if the problem lies completely with me.
Your argument is terrible and only a little bit related to what i wrote, sorry >.<

I shall tidy things up a little bit for you.. Its just that i usually write these things as i think of them. edit: done.

Perhaps they are more accustom to reading wall of text than I am. Most of the times I dont bother to read threads like this but made an exception because it was you.

The problem wasnt that I couldnt read what you were saying but that it didnt make any sense because there was no thesis statement, and I dont understand how my argument can be terrible as I didnt really make one I merely asked a bunch of questions then ended with a Fact. But if whatever I said was as terrible as you say it is then I would expect some kind of counter argument explaining so, rather than a random statement.

Now that I have re-read your thread I see what you mean, and what we have here is a error in composition:

A) Juubi has all of the Bijuu's chakra put together.
B) All of the Bijuu's chakra put together does no equal the Juubi.

For Naruto to have any of the Juubi's powers or be related to it in any way he would have to have it, or a piece of it, sealed into him. Not just its Chakra which based on the manga is an entity in itself which lies outside of the realm of the Juubi. I will re-explain it this way:

Kurama sealed into Naruto = Kyubi Mode
Hachabi sealed into Killer Bee = 8 Tails Mode
Juubi sealed into Madara = Juubi/Sage Mode
And ill even be willing to concede that Juubi Chakra sealed into anyone = Juubi/Sage Mode

But

The Bijuu are not the Juubi's Chakra in the same sense that we use other chakra. An analogy would be this:

(9) Bijuu Chakra does not equal Juubi Mode

The same way:

Potatoe + Salt + Oil does not equal a French Fry.

There is more to the proccess of creating the french fry than just having the items the same way just having all 9 Bijuu Chakra doesnt create Juubi Chakra. I believe that the Gedo is a very important element. Remember once the Juubi was created it had a completely different Chakra than the tailed beasts did, its chakra became Nature Chakra which prompted Naruto to try and gauge it in Sage mode and Kurama replied "If you try and measure it you will only find out that it cannot be measured."

But more importantly the Juubi was able to be summoned with just psuedo portions of the tailed beasts chakra (Gold&Silver Brothers) (Hachabi Tentacle). This implies that it is actually the Gedo, the body of the Juubi itself that is the source of its power and not merely the tailed beasts.

On top of which Naruto only has small portions of the other tailed beasts inside of him, the full beasts are currently inside of Madara and during Naruto's fight with Obito Hashirama gauges his chakra and compares it to being close to his own. If this is the case then why isnt Hashirama in Juubi Mode?

I mean the sheer idea of this begs so many questions that it dies the death of 1000 qualifications.

Final Thoughts:

If we are talking about a power up Naruto will soon get from having portions of each of the tailed beasts in him then we can discuss that, we can even talk about whether the Sage will approach him after having achieved said thing. But bringing the Juubi into this seems preemptive and unwarranted. Because as I said earlier having the Chakra of all 9 tailed beast doesnt make you the Juubi.

 

[Akx19]

Since the Gedo Mazo is required to transform the chakra of each Bijuu back into the Juubi. It is very likely we will see something entirely different since Naruto will have each of the Bijuu's chakra inside of him without the Gedo Mazo. I have a feeling, because he has befriended the Bijuus, he will be able to sustain having all of them inside of him at once. Maybe creating a new creature, or different variation of the Juubi.

Maybe this is the true meaning of the sages prophecy. "With different names and different forms than you exist now, unlike when you were within me you will be led down the right path."

Then again, Kakashi could just give Naruto the arm. Then then he'd be S06P #4

 

[Mr Hiru]

Perhaps they are more accustom to reading wall of text than I am. Most of the times I dont bother to read threads like this but made an exception because it was you.

The problem wasnt that I couldnt read what you were saying but that it didnt make any sense because there was no thesis statement, and I dont understand how my argument can be terrible as I didnt really make one I merely asked a bunch of questions then ended with a Fact. But if whatever I said was as terrible as you say it is then I would expect some kind of counter argument explaining so, rather than a random statement.

Now that I have re-read your thread I see what you mean, and what we have here is a error in composition:

A) Juubi has all of the Bijuu's chakra put together.
B) All of the Bijuu's chakra put together does no equal the Juubi.

For Naruto to have any of the Juubi's powers or be related to it in any way he would have to have it, or a piece of it, sealed into him. Not just its Chakra which based on the manga is an entity in itself which lies outside of the realm of the Juubi. I will re-explain it this way:

Kurama sealed into Naruto = Kyubi Mode
Hachabi sealed into Killer Bee = 8 Tails Mode
Juubi sealed into Madara = Juubi/Sage Mode
And ill even be willing to concede that Juubi Chakra sealed into anyone = Juubi/Sage Mode

But

The Bijuu are not the Juubi's Chakra in the same sense that we use other chakra. An analogy would be this:

(9) Bijuu Chakra does not equal Juubi Mode

The same way:

Potatoe + Salt + Oil does not equal a French Fry.

There is more to the proccess of creating the french fry than just having the items the same way just having all 9 Bijuu Chakra doesnt create Juubi Chakra. I believe that the Gedo is a very important element. Remember once the Juubi was created it had a completely different Chakra than the tailed beasts did, its chakra became Nature Chakra which prompted Naruto to try and gauge it in Sage mode and Kurama replied "If you try and measure it you will only find out that it cannot be measured."

But more importantly the Juubi was able to be summoned with just psuedo portions of the tailed beasts chakra (Gold&Silver Brothers) (Hachabi Tentacle). This implies that it is actually the Gedo, the body of the Juubi itself that is the source of its power and not merely the tailed beasts.

On top of which Naruto only has small portions of the other tailed beasts inside of him, the full beasts are currently inside of Madara and during Naruto's fight with Obito Hashirama gauges his chakra and compares it to being close to his own. If this is the case then why isnt Hashirama in Juubi Mode?

I mean the sheer idea of this begs so many questions that it dies the death of 1000 qualifications.

Final Thoughts:

If we are talking about a power up Naruto will soon get from having portions of each of the tailed beasts in him then we can discuss that, we can even talk about whether the Sage will approach him after having achieved said thing. But bringing the Juubi into this seems preemptive and unwarranted. Because as I said earlier having the Chakra of all 9 tailed beast doesnt make you the Juubi.

The Mazou's Arm is lying out there in the Kamui's dimension, and Kishi might add some suspense in Naruto not waking up until this lifeforce spare is inserted inside him...

#justsaying

 

[osba]

If we are talking about a power up Naruto will soon get from having portions of each of the tailed beasts in him then we can discuss that, we can even talk about whether the Sage will approach him after having achieved said thing. But bringing the Juubi into this seems preemptive and unwarranted. Because as I said earlier having the Chakra of all 9 tailed beast doesnt make you the Juubi.

the juubi gets created when the gedo mixes the kyuubi chakra with nature energy.. naruto can do this himself.
the gedo was the body before.. but naruto can substitute for that.
i never ment it as an actual juubi transformation.. i thought this was clear.

 

[FearxDeath]

the juubi gets created when the gedo mixes the kyuubi chakra with nature energy.. naruto can do this himself.
the gedo was the body before.. but naruto can substitute for that.
i never ment it as an actual juubi transformation.. i thought this was clear.

Here is the part where we are differing, you believe that the Body isnt important. You think that all the power comes from the Chakra and the body is just some random thing, therefore if Naruto was able to gain the Juubi's Chakra then he would have the Juubi's power, depending on how much of its chakra he possesses. This is a concept that seems ridicoulus to me, Chakra is merely a product of the true source of power which is the Yin and Yang Energies found within the body. This is made evident by the fact that when all 9 Bijuu were collected inside the Gedo the result was the Juubi who's Chakra was Nature Energy, NOT regular Chakra.

What you are saying is:

A) When the Gedo absorbs the Bijuu it regains its power and then uses it.

What is actually happening is:

B) The Bijuu are a catylst which awakens the Juubi's body allowing it to release its true power.


A good example of this would be all the Jinchuriki. Naruto even though he was the Perfect Jinchuriki could only access BM, he was only able to access KCM when he and Kurama conciously worked together. But why? He already had all of Kurama's Chakra, so then what did Kurama bring to the table that gave Naruto a power up? It was his being, his body and spirit, the true source of Kurama's Power. His Chakra is just energy, not the source of his power.

Another example, People with Rinnegans can absorb chakra. But if they absorbed all of Sasuke's Chakra they wouldnt gain the Sharingan... Again this is because chakra is merely an extension of the body, a source of a beings energy but not a source of its power.

Atleast that is how I see things, and that is why I cant understand you because you dont see things the same way I do.

i never ment it as an actual juubi transformation.. i thought this was clear.

i thought this brainstorm was worthy of it's own thread.. naruto juubi mode:

Not very clear.

 

[osba]

Here is the part where we are differing, you believe that the Body isnt important. You think that all the power comes from the Chakra and the body is just some random thing, therefore if Naruto was able to gain the Juubi's Chakra then he would have the Juubi's power, depending on how much of its chakra he possesses. This is a concept that seems ridicoulus to me, Chakra is merely a product of the true source of power which is the Yin and Yang Energies found within the body. This is made evident by the fact that when all 9 Bijuu were collected inside the Gedo the result was the Juubi who's Chakra was Nature Energy, NOT regular Chakra.

What you are saying is:

A) When the Gedo absorbs the Bijuu it regains its power and then uses it.

What is actually happening is:

B) The Bijuu are a catylst which awakens the Juubi's body allowing it to release its true power.


A good example of this would be all the Jinchuriki. Naruto even though he was the Perfect Jinchuriki could only access BM, he was only able to access KCM when he and Kurama conciously worked together. But why? He already had all of Kurama's Chakra, so then what did Kurama bring to the table that gave Naruto a power up? It was his being, his body and spirit, the true source of Kurama's Power. His Chakra is just energy, not the source of his power.

Another example, People with Rinnegans can absorb chakra. But if they absorbed all of Sasuke's Chakra they wouldnt gain the Sharingan... Again this is because chakra is merely an extension of the body, a source of a beings energy but not a source of its power.

Atleast that is how I see things, and that is why I cant understand you because you dont see things the same way I do.





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seems like you are over-estimating the power of the gedo mazo. all we know is that the so6p himself said that they would be lead down
the right path, in different forms from how they are now.
oh, and please stop talking about yin and yang chakra.. kishimoto showed us he stopped caring about that long ago (kyuubi sage mode)

i think you should see the gedo mazo's contribution in terms of power comes in generating it from the enviroment when it has nutrition (

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naruto can give the same kind of power-up (well, sort of.. they are both nature energies) as the gedo can.