Gai 7th gate > Ay

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Gai can keep up with Madara.

Madara fodderized FTG Sage Minato.

Normal FTG Minato fodderized Ay.

7th gate Gai is leaps and bounds faster and more capable in taijutsu than Ay.

This would be like a jounin vs a Kage.

This pretty much sum this up

 

[Touken]

Doesnt mean it broke, lol.

Using what happened off panel to support your clam makes it baseless.

Mokuton's binding grip immediately loosened after Gai using Hirudora on Madara. If he was unscathed by Hirudora then he would have easily been able to maintain Mokuryu. The next time we see Madara is without Susanoo, so what reason does Madara have to suddenly deactivate Susanoo and stop maintaining Mokuryu? Yeah, these support my claim. Nothing supports yours.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Yes I agree that madara loosened his grip, could be because he got caught off guard, but there's still no proof that susanoo actually broke.



Not only is there no paper flying around but there are no cracks even on madara.

The only thing in that circle is debris, madara is showing zero indication of any damage.

Madara is because he pretty much got recovered after the blow, so if he's on the ground claimed that he's not impaired, then where is the Susanoo?? Hm exactly

 

[cajin]

Gai sensei wins!

 

[Touken]

So Kisame has more durability than V3 Susano'o? LMFAO

Did Gai want to kill Kisame?

 

[shelke]

I cannot believe this: Kisame >>>> V3 Susano'o. Lol Gai Fanbase has clearly lost its marbles.

 

[shelke]

@Touken

So now you are suggesting that he can adjust Afternoon Tiger's strength? This is completely baseless.

 

[Touken]

So now you are suggesting that he can adjust Afternoon Tiger's strength? This is completely baseless.

Of course he can. There's nothing suggesting otherwise.

 

[paratise]

Certain fanbases have been lost their marbles for a long looong while.

 

[Draphsin]

Mokuton's binding grip immediately loosened after Gai using Hirudora on Madara. If he was unscathed by Hirudora then he would have easily been able to maintain Mokuryu. The next time we see Madara is without Susanoo, so what reason does Madara have to suddenly deactivate Susanoo and stop maintaining Mokuryu? Yeah, these support my claim. Nothing supports yours.

Excuse me? Lol Nothing supports anything you're saying.

Madara loosened the mokuton because he was caught off guard, nothing is implied. If madara was unscathed then yes he would maintain the grip, but hirudora knocked him over & he wasnt unscathed, his susanoo obviously took damage but not enough to completely shatter like you claim.

The next time we see madara its not until multiple panels after the hit [giving ample time to deactivate susanoo], & he's sitting down waiting for the juubi to be revived. Madara has no need for susanoo when the juubi is active & nobody was currently attacking him so the reason for him even having susanoo up for that long is nill.

What supports my claim? The fact that every time susanoo breaks we see it breaking, indicated by either cracks or actual penetration. Susanoo was intact during the hit so nothing suggests that hirudora caused any damage worse than a few scratches.

Madara is because he pretty much got recovered after the blow, so if he's on the ground claimed that he's not impaired, then where is the Susanoo?? Hm exactly

What? Madara got hit from behind & was unaware of it, he didnt recover but rather he loosened his grip out of surprise, there is nothing indicating that madara took damage, he wasn't maintaining susanoo in the next panel we see him for the reasons I said above.

 

[shelke]

Of course he can. There's nothing suggesting otherwise.

I am not obliged to take your word for it. There isn't any manga proof for this. And suggesting that Kisame is somehow more durable than V3 Susano'o is ridiculous.

 

[shelke]

Certain fanbases have been lost their marbles for a long looong while.

Sasuke fanbase is pretty docile compared to what has become of Gai fanbase.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Sasuke fanbase is pretty docile compared to what has become of Gai fanbase.

the sasuke fanbase never had marbles to begin with

 

[Touken]

Excuse me? Lol Nothing supports anything you're saying.

Madara loosened the mokuton because he was caught off guard, nothing is implied. If madara was unscathed then yes he would maintain the grip, but hirudora knocked him over & he wasnt unscathed, his susanoo obviously took damage but not enough to completely shatter like you claim.

The next time we see madara its not until multiple panels after the hit [giving ample time to deactivate susanoo], & he's sitting down waiting for the juubi to be revived. Madara has no need for susanoo when the juubi is active & nobody was currently attacking him so the reason for him even having susanoo up for that long is nill.

What supports my claim? The fact that every time susanoo breaks we see it breaking, indicated by either cracks or actual penetration. Susanoo was intact during the hit so nothing suggests that hirudora caused any damage worse than a few scratches.What? Madara got hit from behind & was unaware of it, he didnt recover but rather he loosened his grip out of surprise, there is nothing indicating that madara took damage, he wasn't maintaining susanoo in the next panel we see him for the reasons I said above.

Caught off guard... lmao. Because pushing either Hashirama or Madara would cause them to stop maintaining Mokuryu, right? Lol, not to mention the fact that it took a while for Bee to register the Mokuton's grip had loosened, and in that time Madara could have easily reinstated the tree's grip to what it was before. Waiting for the Juubi to revive?

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? I'm sorry, do we see it breaking here too [

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]? The rest of your post is just you grasping at straws, while going against what the manga had shown.

I am not obliged to take your word for it. There isn't any manga proof for this. And suggesting that Kisame is somehow more durable than V3 Susano'o is ridiculous.

I didn't even remotely suggest Kisame's more durable than V3 Susanoo, and there's manga proof, but you're just refusing to accept it.

 

[paratise]

Sasuke fanbase is pretty docile compared to what has become of Gai fanbase.

Most people are not from Gai fanbase, most of them just don't know and question it that's why there are so many theads about him. Honestly, before this week how many people you could count as from "Gai fanbase"?

Sasuke fanboys on the other hand...I am not giving names but i have encountered quite handful ones. They are not docile, but sometimes you overrate him along with others. It's all perception.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

What? Madara got hit from behind & was unaware of it, he didnt recover but rather he loosened his grip out of surprise, there is nothing indicating that madara took damage, he wasn't maintaining susanoo in the next panel we see him for the reasons I said above.

Don't make escuse just cause he's not aware when the fact of the matter is Madara Mokuten constrain it, it doesn't affect anything to Gai when he can simply use in gates.

Alright we'll have to wait and see when the Anime comes out

 

[shelke]

the sasuke fanbase never had marbles to begin with

Oh it's you. It's immature to travel with such an attitude across threads. Neji in Part II still loses terribly and shamefully to Hebi Sasuke.

@Cat

I doubt what you would say about so and so fanbase is anything beyond subjectivity either. Just look at this thread. It would be prime example of Over-rating Gai. Stating that I over-rate is also a subjective stance on your part. I could say the same thing about you.

@Touken

What is manga proof that Susano'o in V3 form was paralleled with BM? Albeit Sasuke's was larger but how less durable will be this form compared to that one? Your answer lies in this. There is nothing in the manga to state that Gai can adjust the tiers of Afternoon Tiger or any other Gate technique as they all hinge upon Chakra points. Once they are opened forcefully, the power that is released cannot vary just because Gai wills it. It goes completely against how Gates work. I suggest you look into Part one for this.

 

[paratise]

@Cat

I doubt what you would say about so and so fanbase is anything beyond subjectivity either. Just look at this thread. It would be prime example of Over-rating Gai. Stating that I over-rate is also a subjective stance on your part. I could say the same thing about you.

Never said you can't say the same thing about me.
It's all perception. That's what i said.

When you say a group of people lost their marbles, you might also have been in the same boat. Did you ever consider that you might actually overrate Sasuke a lot? No because that's natural in you point of view, which is not obligated to be shared by others.

 

[Draphsin]

Caught off guard... lmao

Lol Why is it so hard to believe..? Madara's been caught off guard before.

Because pushing either Hashirama or Madara would cause them to stop maintaining Mokuryu, right? Lol, not to mention the fact that it took a while for Bee to register the Mokuton's grip had loosened, and in that time Madara could have easily reinstated the tree's grip to what it was before.

With a hard enough attack, why not? You act as though this isn't possible & that madara can do everything all at once, he got taken by surprise & as a result the tree's grip loosened, at that moment bee realized & broke free, nothing more to it.

& It took bee a while to register? Lol What? Bee was in the middle of a thought & realized the same scan that hirudora blew up in. [

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] Madara had no time to strengthen his mokuton, lol he was focused on tanking the attack, why would he focus his energy on keeping bee & gai restrained when they're pretty much flies to him anyways?

Bee wasn't focused on the mokuton, he was praising gai, at that moment he realizes the mokuton is loose. There was no delay, madara got hit & bee realized after the explosion [which madara himself was focused on tanking].

Waiting for the Juubi to revive?

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Lmao, he said "tidy up the battlefield" which further proves my point that they're nothing more than worthless bugs to him. & How can you even interpret that as madara wanting to seriously kill them? If he did then where's FTW? or PS? Madara was not fighting seriously as he was stalling for the juubi's revival. He fights like that, an example is when madara told sasuke that he gave him ample time to counter before he got stabbed, madara was giving Naruto & co. ample time to react to his attacks & he wasn't using his strongest attacks on top of that. Interpreting that scan as him seriously wanting to kill bee is false, otherwise why not strangle them with mokuton instead?

I'm sorry, do we see it breaking here too [

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Uhh, no. But tell me einstein have we ever seen susanoo prior to this attack? Did we have any idea what Itachi even used to tank it at the time? No, why? Because that was susanoo's debut, kishi even showed us susanoo's activation slowly which doesnt normally happen. Why would kishi show us susanoo breaking prior to it's introduction to the story? logic makes no sense. & Btw indication that susanoo broke is the damage to Itachi's body, madara had none so this renders the point moot anyways.

@Bold: Lol...

Don't make escuse just cause he's not aware when the fact of the matter is Madara Mokuten constrain it, it doesn't affect anything to Gai when he can simply use in gates.

Lol it's not an excuse, you act as though madara can mutitask like that when he doesnt even know the attack that's hitting him or its strength. Why on earth would madara continue to go on the offensive if he's getting a sneak attack in the back?

Alright we'll have to wait and see when the Anime comes out

Anime is not canon.

 

[Touken]

What is manga proof that Susano'o in V3 form was paralleled with BM? Albeit Sasuke's was larger but how less durable will be this form compared to that one? Your answer lies in this. There is nothing in the manga to state that Gai can adjust the tiers of Afternoon Tiger or any other Gate technique as they all hinge upon Chakra points. Once they are opened forcefully, the power that is released cannot vary just because Gai wills it. It goes completely against how Gates work. I suggest you look into Part one for this.

What? Hirudora is just a fast punch. He's even shown to do it without the Gates, as shown against Madara's Susanoo. But anyway, the Gates make it easier for him to execute an extremely fast punch, so obviously, the faster the punch, the more air pressure created, so of course it can vary. Add the fact that the only time he's not wanted to kill using Hirudora he did this.

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