Rikkudo Naruto won't be much weaker than Juubito

[iNotorious]

naruto will be less than what obito was because the amount obito had was slightly more + he had the rinnegan/ms, naruto wont have the rinnegan and he will almost equal juubito in the amount he has but that is the difference so he will still be less than juubito but rinnegan sasuke will make up the difference we all know he and naruto will bring down Godara together

Remember that he has to meet the sage and i think he'll give him something that madara hasn't gained.​

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Here is what I think Naruto will achieve:

Maybe, maybe not. Rinnegan is becoming more likely. A lot of people say that Kishi said that he wants to keep Naruto and Sasuke on opposite sides of the spectrum, but answer this, if that's the case, why is Sasuke getting a body enhancement?

No, it like saying 7$ and 2 cents is close to 1$ and 8 cents. Obito had 7 whole beast and chakra from 2 naruto only has 1 and chakra from 8

No, Obito only had 6 whole beasts. Naruto has a whole beast that has matched 5 of them.

 

[Da Best Ever]

No, it like saying 7$ and 2 cents is close to 1$ and 8 cents. Obito had 7 whole beast and chakra from 2 naruto only has 1 and chakra from 8

technically naruto having half of the kyuubi's chakra = the 7 obito had as a whole but the difference will be the 2 parts and the rinnegan/ms and dna(uchiha and senju) all which juubi jin naruto will lack

 

[iNotorious]

Maybe, maybe not. Rinnegan is becoming more likely. A lot of people say that Kishi said that he wants to keep Naruto and Sasuke on opposite sides of the spectrum, but answer this, if that's the case, why is Sasuke getting a body enhancement?

Because naruto is gaining sage of the six path's mode, we all know at the end of the day naruto will be stronger same as what happened between vegeta and goku.​

 

[Seventh Sama]

Remember that he has to meet the sage and i think he'll give him something that madara hasn't gained.​

Naruto has the bijuus support/cooperation, they even willingly gave naruto their power unlike juubito or madara whose using their power by force.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Obito confirmed that the amount one has doesn't matter. It's potency remains the same (refer to the scan a couple of posts above this).​

obviously obito doesnt knw more than madara which is why he spoke about that and now madara has gained more power but his form is different which shows there is levels to it, and i seen that scan and thats why i replied to it...point blank obito doesnt know more than madara and its shows that he didnt know half the stuff he was talking about madara ahs achieve a greater form and he has greater control than obito had which is a big difference

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Because naruto is gaining sage of the six path's mode, we all know at the end of the day naruto will be stronger same as what happened between vegeta and goku.​

I think you misunderstood my statement. I know that's how it's going to end. I'm just showing that the yin-yang argument is becoming less and less valid.

 

[Transcendence]

Maybe, maybe not. Rinnegan is becoming more likely. A lot of people say that Kishi said that he wants to keep Naruto and Sasuke on opposite sides of the spectrum, but answer this, if that's the case, why is Sasuke getting a body enhancement?

My friend... I LOVE YOU. Finally someone sees what I mean! It makes no sense that Sasuke is going to get the Rinnegan AND Hashirama's cells which gives a body with A LOT of chakra, immense durability and the aptitude for Sage Mode. Due to this body he can spam to his hearts content. Add on Perfect Susano'o and the Rinnegan boosted by Hashirama's Sage Mode (or DSM) and even if Naruto obtained Onmyoudon, Sasuke could quite easily break through it.

Sasuke is essentially:

Rinnegan, Perfect Susano'o, Mokuton, EMS AND SAGE MODE (Mokuton due to Hashirama's cells which is confirmed in the manga)

to

Pseudo Juubi Jin (body only)

Sasuke has more than enough going for him to win that match-up with medium difficulty at most. Hence why I propose Naruto awakens it through means that Rikudou awakened it (through the Juubi's essence) and Sasuke gets it through Madara's way to contrast the views of Naruto/Rikudou who believe the system doesn't have to be changed whereas Sasuke and Madara want to bring radical change.​

 

[Da Best Ever]

Naruto has the bijuus support/cooperation, they even willingly gave naruto their power unlike juubito or madara whose using their power by force.

wether u got the power by force or willingly doesnt matter as long as u have mastery of it and madara has mastery of it...naruto wont be able to beat madara by himself because his power wont equal madara's nor will it exceed madara's he will have less power than madara and thats where sasuke comes into play who will have the rinnegan, he will make up the difference and together they will beat madara

 

[iNotorious]

I think you misunderstood my statement. I know that's how it's going to end. I'm just showing that the yin-yang argument is becoming less and less valid.

The yin and yang is pure bs.​

My friend... I LOVE YOU. Finally someone sees what I mean! It makes no sense that Sasuke is going to get the Rinnegan AND Hashirama's cells which gives a body with A LOT of chakra, immense durability and the aptitude for Sage Mode. Due to this body he can spam to his hearts content. Add on Perfect Susano'o and the Rinnegan boosted by Hashirama's Sage Mode (or DSM) and even if Naruto obtained Onmyoudon, Sasuke could quite easily break through it.

Sasuke is essentially:

Rinnegan, Perfect Susano'o, Mokuton, EMS AND SAGE MODE (Mokuton due to Hashirama's cells which is confirmed in the manga)

to

Pseudo Juubi Jin (body only)

Sasuke has more than enough going for him to win that match-up with medium difficulty at most. Hence why I propose Naruto awakens it through means that Rikudou awakened it (through the Juubi's essence) and Sasuke gets it through Madara's way to contrast the views of Naruto/Rikudou who believe the system doesn't have to be changed whereas Sasuke and Madara want to bring radical change.​

Kishimoto wanking, what do you expect ​

 

[Umari Senju]

Maybe, maybe not. Rinnegan is becoming more likely. A lot of people say that Kishi said that he wants to keep Naruto and Sasuke on opposite sides of the spectrum, but answer this, if that's the case, why is Sasuke getting a body enhancement?





No, Obito only had 6 whole beasts. Naruto has a whole beast that has matched 5 of them.

I'm not so sure it's a body enhancement persay, although you could be right about this. Remember kabuto said he is using what he has learned from Senpou and Hashirama's DNA Now this is just an assumption, but he is probably using Senpou and his medical jutsu to heal Sasuke's body with the incorporation of Hashirama's cells. Meaning Sasuke now has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, along withthe fact that he just about died, This points to him awakening his own pair of Rinnegan eyes.

So in essence he and Naruto will still be on opposite sides of the spectrum. Naruto inheriting the Sages Body (younger Brother) While Sasuke inherates the eyes (Older Brother) Just my guess but we will see how it plays out.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Possibly, but this is where Sasuke comes into play. More importantly, the jutsu Hashirama taught Sasuke. Remember Hashirama said the jutsu he would teach Sasuke is designed to supress Madara's Sage mode which he took from him. So even if madara's sage mode is stronger, Sasuke's jutsu will negate it.

now im back with u, i agree sasuke will make up the difference...

 

[iNotorious]

I'm not so sure it's a body enhancement persay, although you could be right about this. Remember kabuto said he is using what he has learned from Senpou and Hashirama's DNA Now this is just an assumption, but he is probably using Senpou and his medical jutsu to heal Sasuke's body with the incorporation of Hashirama's cells. Meaning Sasuke now has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, along with his Rinnegan and just about died. This points to him awakening his own pair of Rinnegan eyes.

So in essence he and Naruto will still be on opposite sides of the spectrum. Naruto inheriting the Sages Body (younger Brother) While Sasuke inherates the eyes (Older Brother) Just my guess but we will see how it plays out.

They're not YIN YANG bs statement, he's getting ''body'' enhancements which contradicts the whole ''yin yang'' that sasuke fangirls bring sometimes.​

 

[Sennin of Logic]

My friend... I LOVE YOU. Finally someone sees what I mean! It makes no sense that Sasuke is going to get the Rinnegan AND Hashirama's cells which gives a body with A LOT of chakra, immense durability and the aptitude for Sage Mode. Due to this body he can spam to his hearts content. Add on Perfect Susano'o and the Rinnegan boosted by Hashirama's Sage Mode (or DSM) and even if Naruto obtained Onmyoudon, Sasuke could quite easily break through it.

Sasuke is essentially:

Rinnegan, Perfect Susano'o, Mokuton, EMS AND SAGE MODE (Mokuton due to Hashirama's cells which is confirmed in the manga)

to

Pseudo Juubi Jin (body only)

Sasuke has more than enough going for him to win that match-up with medium difficulty at most. Hence why I propose Naruto awakens it through means that Rikudou awakened it (through the Juubi's essence) and Sasuke gets it through Madara's way to contrast the views of Naruto/Rikudou who believe the system doesn't have to be changed whereas Sasuke and Madara want to bring radical change.​

I agree with most of what you said, but there's a couple of areas I disagree with. With Hashi's cells, he get SM potential, but doesn't guarantee true SM. That would be spontaneous, and I hope if this is what happens, that Kishi gives a really good explanation for it.


I don't think all of that would be quite enough to earn a victory against a juubi jin though. First of all, we haven't seen what the sage's holy sword can do. It relies on will, and well, that suites Naruto, so that alone might make him stronger than what Sasuke would be, but regardless, yin-yang argument is officially debunked.


I think Sasuke will soon probably be a match for pre-juubi Hagomoro.

I'm not so sure it's a body enhancement persay, although you could be right about this. Remember kabuto said he is using what he has learned from Senpou and Hashirama's DNA Now this is just an assumption, but he is probably using Senpou and his medical jutsu to heal Sasuke's body with the incorporation of Hashirama's cells. Meaning Sasuke now has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, along withthe fact that he just about died, This points to him awakening his own pair of Rinnegan eyes.

So in essence he and Naruto will still be on opposite sides of the spectrum. Naruto inheriting the Sages Body (younger Brother) While Sasuke inherates the eyes (Older Brother) Just my guess but we will see how it plays out.

Yes, it'd be more of a yin powerup, but it doesn't change the fact that there's a bit of yang in there as well.

 

[Seventh Sama]

wether u got the power by force or willingly doesnt matter as long as u have mastery of it and madara has mastery of it...naruto wont be able to beat madara by himself because his power wont equal madara's nor will it exceed madara's he will have less power than madara and thats where sasuke comes into play who will have the rinnegan, he will make up the difference and together they will beat madara

Madaras control over its power would be like kcm narutos "control". Also madara has never be a jin in his entire life up until now...

 

[Transcendence]

I'm not so sure it's a body enhancement persay, although you could be right about this. Remember kabuto said he is using what he has learned from Senpou and Hashirama's DNA Now this is just an assumption, but he is probably using Senpou and his medical jutsu to heal Sasuke's body with the incorporation of Hashirama's cells. Meaning Sasuke now has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, along with his Rinnegan and just about died. This points to him awakening his own pair of Rinnegan eyes.

So in essence he and Naruto will still be on opposite sides of the spectrum. Naruto inheriting the Sages Body (younger Brother) While Sasuke inherates the eyes (Older Brother) Just my guess but we will see how it plays out.

The Sage's eyes were the Rinnegan, not the Older brother's eyes. You need both Senju and Uchiha DNA for such. So Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan while Naruto doesn't is creating a rift in this frivolous Yin-Yang complex.​

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Half of kurama does not equal 5 bijuu
Naruto had the psychical energy of kurama meaning his stamina and psychical strength and speed were increased as well as a large sum of chakra to go with it.

naruto and kurama had two or three occasions where they stopped and recharged.
So people overestimate the amount of chakra kurama really has.
Also the tailed beast vs kurama and the eight tails wasn't a fair assessment of their power since they were using all their power to fight obito who were controlling them.


Naruto has chakra from all 9 tailed beast now and sage mode.
Sage mode will amplify his chakra pool to outrageous amounts thanks to the tailed beast chakra.

The battle will come down to skill and teamwork

 

[Da Best Ever]

I'm not so sure it's a body enhancement persay, although you could be right about this. Remember kabuto said he is using what he has learned from Senpou and Hashirama's DNA Now this is just an assumption, but he is probably using Senpou and his medical jutsu to heal Sasuke's body with the incorporation of Hashirama's cells. Meaning Sasuke now has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, along with his Rinnegan and just about died. This points to him awakening his own pair of Rinnegan eyes.

So in essence he and Naruto will still be on opposite sides of the spectrum. Naruto inheriting the Sages Body (younger Brother) While Sasuke inherates the eyes (Older Brother) Just my guess but we will see how it plays out.

technically it will be a body enhancement...look at everyone who has had uchiha and senju dna, they all experience greater body's such as madara and obito most notably in obito becaus ewe actually so more of him throughout, and he has spammed his most powerful tech non stop without tire, we have never seen him tired, we have never seen him in pain until the war, which goes to show senju dna makes a big difference but i agree they will be the same as younger/elder son's

 

[Six Paths]

Naruto will be able to surpass Juubi jinchuriki Obito, since Naruto is not forcing the Bijuu to fuse, but they are doing it by their own free will. Naruto won't be fighting the new being he will be cooperating. This will make Naruto overall stronger

 

[Kαmi]

My friend... I LOVE YOU. Finally someone sees what I mean! It makes no sense that Sasuke is going to get the Rinnegan AND Hashirama's cells which gives a body with A LOT of chakra, immense durability and the aptitude for Sage Mode. Due to this body he can spam to his hearts content. Add on Perfect Susano'o and the Rinnegan boosted by Hashirama's Sage Mode (or DSM) and even if Naruto obtained Onmyoudon, Sasuke could quite easily break through it.

Sasuke is essentially:

Rinnegan, Perfect Susano'o, Mokuton, EMS AND SAGE MODE (Mokuton due to Hashirama's cells which is confirmed in the manga)

to

Pseudo Juubi Jin (body only)

Sasuke has more than enough going for him to win that match-up with medium difficulty at most. Hence why I propose Naruto awakens it through means that Rikudou awakened it (through the Juubi's essence) and Sasuke gets it through Madara's way to contrast the views of Naruto/Rikudou who believe the system doesn't have to be changed whereas Sasuke and Madara want to bring radical change.​

Or, Sasuke is just gonna win the final battle and beat Naruto like he always does, just admit it my man

OT: On a serious note, you're probably right here. Kyuubi seems to have a substantial amount of chakra compared to his Bijuu counterparts so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason he ends up being on Juubito's level. Though I always expected this to be so due to him being the main character. This is more of just a couple of reasons and possibilities on why it could/will be the case that a Rikudou Naruto won't be weaker than Juubito was.