Minato's SM

[Bogard]

Well since it's a recurring topic atm, i decided to take my time to create this one

Firstly, the idea about Minato not being capable to use Sage Mode in battle makes no sense when you know he did just that against Madara, so from that point i fail to understand some people's logic. Anyway i'll try my best to explain what i got concerning Minato's SM after latest chapter

1- Minato can enter Sage Mode instantly

We saw Minato listening Madara's speech here [

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Plus, Minato did enter it close to instant here [

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Pa ermite said you can't move while kneeding the chakra

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Notice Minato throwed the kunai under Madara before entering Sage Mode, so before entering sage mode, he was moving(throwing the kunai), yet he still managed to enter the mode inbetween a Kamui warp [

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I already know Minato explained in latest chapter the time it takes to kneed the senjutsu chakra as an issue, but i'll explain Minato's statement later

2- Minato is a perfect Sage

No discussion needed. He has the same sage depiction his son possess when he enters the mode

3- Minato's time limit in Sage Mode

Like we know, Minato already admitted not to be good at the sage mode usage, but let's not forget the following sentence

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1- The first part of the sentence is to establish the fact that Minato isn't good at senjutsu
2- The second part of the sentence is to explain the area in which he isn't good at

Said area is represented by the red rectangle

- Takes long to kneed the chakra
- Can't maintain it for long time

Both facts already explained by Pa ermite

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It's for that reason Sage Mode is usually not convenient in battle. Like Pa says, you can't move in order to gather the natural energy necessary for sage mode, which would make you an easy mark for your opponent meantime

4- Relationship between kneeding time and time duration

Minato said it takes long to kneed sage chakra, notice he talked about the kneeding chakra time. Why do i point that out? It's because like i've showed above, Minato can enter sage mode almost instantly, so it would not make sense him not being capable to use Sage Mode in time when he did just that. It would contradict the manga. There is another reasoning one could take about it though.

Minato, by entering sage mode that fast, obviously in this case he won't have(or didn't get) the necessary time to kneed as much senjutsu chakra in his body as he normally could if not in a battle situation. The less senjutsu chakra in the body and the less the amount of time you can maintain the mode

Reason why after 2Rasenshurikens, Naruto didn't have enough senjutsu chakra to maintain the mode

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But with more training, you can extend the period in time you can maintain the mode [

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Naruto's sage mode limit is 5minutes

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Since Minato mentioned the fact he isn't that good at maintaining it for long, it could mean his duration time is even lower than 5minutes

The advantage Jiraya had during his fight against Pain is that he had Pa and Ma as partners. They were the one immobile to kneed the chakra, so he had an almost unlimited sage mode use at his disposition in this case

Kakashi knew about Minato's sage mode even knowing the afford mentioned weakness [

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] That shows he used to see Minato using the mode back in days

No wonder in this case why Minato never opted to use it in battle especially since he never needed them, his fights usually lasting less than seconds

Conclusion

- Minato controls natural energy perfectly like his son unlike Jiraya
- Minato can kneed Sage chakra as fast if not faster than his son
- Naruto can kneed more sage chakra at once than his dad, and can maintain it longer
- If Minato fuse with Pa/Ma like Jiraya did, he gets unlimited Sage mode

 

[Beauty Busty Beast]

dat sig tho

 

[itachiuchiha21]

Tsukuyomi is faster, so gg

 

[Joker]

Didn't he admit he sucks, stop trying to justify things ecen if he admits he sucks

 

[Made in Heaven]

Nice thread I guess. Not much else I CAN say

 

[Made in Heaven]

Didn't he admit he sucks, stop trying to justify things ecen if he admits he sucks

he never said anything like that. only that hes not good at it. doubt yiu even read the whole thing

 

[YellowFang]

Yep, that be true...

 

[Joker]

he never said anything like that. only that hes not good at it. doubt yiu even read the whole thing

I didn't...... v_v is it worth reading..?

 

[Bogard]

Didn't he admit he sucks, stop trying to justify things ecen if he admits he sucks

Never said he didn't. Now you must know in what area exactly he was referring to, something i explain in the thread if you read

 

[Joker]

Never said he didn't. Now you must know in what area exactly he was referring to, something i explain in the thread if you read

I decided i'll read

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Good Thread.

I question Minato's intelligence though.

Why didn't he just use the same tactic Naruto use, during Pain arc, via use Clones to do the work.

He easily has Markings around Kohona. Have them prep there and boom. Sage Mode when you need it.

 

[Joker]

Never said he didn't. Now you must know in what area exactly he was referring to, something i explain in the thread if you read

First thread I liked, not bad. v_v

 

[Gold Lightning]

Good thread. The absurdity of people saying Minato cannot use it in battle, it's clear that he can use it in quick short bursts. Like you said bogard, he can gather quickly the little bit of senjutsu he needs for one attack and then blows all the nature energy he used on that attack, causing senjutsu disappears. The more senjutsu Minato gathers, the longer it takes to enter sage mode but the longer Minato can last in that mode.

 

[FourthSmokage]

Don't forget that Minato, Kakashi and Obito/Black Zetsu had that huge standstill before Madara showed up. It is more likely that's when he started storing natural chakra. If this is true then Minato's SM takes a huge hit in power/usability in battle.

 

[Gerkak]

Nice thread. Awesome sig by the way =D

 

[iNotorious]

Thank god it isn't a plot hole, now i accept the fact he doesn't have sage mode like naruto.

That's what Fukusaku meant when he stated that naruto surpassed jiraiya and minato.

Good work kishimoto.

 

[AlexRG23]

Your trying to make facts out of assumptions.... Nothing good ever comes of this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And I disagree with 1-(being instant)

Minato could of have started from page 2-3 in that chapter, that was more time there. The momment he sense Madara's Hermit, and he knew senjutsu only works, is where he knows when to get ready to use it.

 

[Joker]

And I disagree with 1-(being instant)

Minato could of have started from page 2-3 in that chapter, that was more time there. The momment he sense Madara's Hermit, and he knew senjutsu only works, is where he knows when to get ready to use it.

Yeah, I noticed that too but I was on my phone, so I didn't feel like typing it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Good Thread.

I question Minato's intelligence though.

Why didn't he just use the same tactic Naruto use, during Pain arc, via use Clones to do the work.

He easily has Markings around Kohona. Have them prep there and boom. Sage Mode when you need it.

He either didn't think of it or Minato just didn't feel the need to go through all that trouble since his FTG gets the job done in no time at all. Minato isn't a time waster, he makes quick work of his opponents, notice Minato uses jutsu without hand signs in order to save time and effort.

Also lets not forget that the shadow clone thing was Kakashi's ingenious idea, if Kakashi never showed Naruto that tactic to training, Naruto would have never come up with the clone thing, even Fukasaku and Shima didn't think of it. It was the whole trying to look left and right at the same time concept that lead to Nartuo using shadow clones to gather senjutsu.