Gai vs. Amaterasu

[slimreaper]

Are you blind or just a hater??

Proof suggesting Guy is even close to the speed of V2 raikage?


An how am I being blind?

look how close it came to hitting the fastest living ninja

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Guy isn't on that level

 

[TheTailedSage]

Are YOU serious? The dude pumped Bijuu Chakra into his V1 Claok to dodge it. To even thing that Gai in any form even touches this speed is sheer lunacy.

Biju Chakra?? i recall Karin saying he has Chakra levels OF a biju but not biju power Chakra LOL. And under what proof are you assuming Gai cant dodge Ammy in Gates??? No one other than big names have been able to compare to gates speed. Sharingan can't keep up with speed, its been proven time in and time out. It predicts the movement but the user is unable to react.

Getting back on topic ammy can only hit what it sees, Sasuke can not and WILL no be able to see Gai if he hits gates. If he is punching air fast enough to ignite it then that in itself is a speed feat.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Proof suggesting Guy is even close to the speed of V2 raikage?


An how am I being blind?

look how close it came to hitting the fastest living ninja

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Guy isn't on that level

Do i hghave to bring ou thte scan where Gai is punching the air so fast it looks like multiple fists igniting the air?? ... yeah why not

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[video=youtube;NJTSeEGUrjk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJTSeEGUrjk[/video]

 

[slimreaper]

Do i hghave to bring ou thte scan where Gai is punching the air so fast it looks like multiple fists igniting the air?? ... yeah why not

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[video=youtube;NJTSeEGUrjk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJTSeEGUrjk[/video]

foot speed and striking speed aren't the same. Guy needs foot speed to dodge amaterasu, come back with some foot speed feats

 

[TheTailedSage]

foot speed and striking speed aren't the same. Guy needs foot speed to dodge amaterasu, come back with some foot speed feats

Your THAT ignorant?? so your suggesting his feet aren't as fast as his hands?? The sheer speed of 4-5 gates causes the ground to lift and were talking about Kid lee

[video=youtube;40zbAAZ3X7c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zbAAZ3X7c[/video]

He's going to fast it looks like shunshin and im only using this to illustrate my point. IF your that ignorant visit the fight on the Manga.

Edit: Kakashi with 3T was amazed at how fast Lee was going. and no he couldn't keep up

 

[Avinash012]

He doesn't need to be. V2 Ay dodged Amaterasu with the utmost ease.

@Avinash, the aura doesn't provide any kind of defence.

I mean not just aura, that impact around Gai that managed to push water backwards like this

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Do u think Ama can over power that impact and reach Gai's body?

 

[slimreaper]

Your THAT ignorant?? so your suggesting his feet aren't as fast as his hands?? The sheer speed of 4-5 gates causes the ground to lift and were talking about Kid lee

[video=youtube;40zbAAZ3X7c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zbAAZ3X7c[/video]

He's going to fast it looks like shunshin and im only using this to illustrate my point. IF your that ignorant visit the fight on the Manga.

Edit: Kakashi with 3T was amazed at how fast Lee was going. and no he couldn't keep up

damn the ground lifted? he must be faster than Ay

naruto at the valley of the end was of comparable speed and sasuke straight up owned him. add to the fact that sasuke's eyes are superior now

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like I said earlier until he is on the level of V2 Ay then he isn't dodging it

 

[shelke]

Biju Chakra?? i recall Karin saying he has Chakra levels OF a biju but not biju power Chakra LOL. And under what proof are you assuming Gai cant dodge Ammy in Gates??? No one other than big names have been able to compare to gates speed. Sharingan can't keep up with speed, its been proven time in and time out. It predicts the movement but the user is unable to react.

Getting back on topic ammy can only hit what it sees, Sasuke can not and WILL no be able to see Gai if he hits gates. If he is punching air fast enough to ignite it then that in itself is a speed feat.

Yes, his Chakra levels spiked to bijuu level for simply hitting V2 - Karin confirms it. Really, it has been proven that Sharingan cannot see Gated Gai? Please do show some proof.

Again, show me proof that Gai cannot be seen. This is self-made, clearly. Big freaking deal, Bee has godly reflexes - he countered FTG once and reacted with his Katana the second time - Sasuke was - despite being badly injured - still keeping up with him without the Sharingan at first. Had he not used Raiton - Sasuke had no knowledge on this - to deflect his Kusnagi back, he never would have been stabbed.

Show me proof that he even matches V1 Ae, let alone V2. Such a far-fetched statement.

 

[Touken]

I mean not just aura, that impact around Gai that managed to push water backwards like this

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Do u think Ama can over power that impact and reach Gai's body?

I already mentioned that.

If he activated it at the right time then it might be able to considering it pushed a large volume of water back, but if he's already in Gates then no, it's just sweat evaporating at an extreme rate.

It can push back Amaterasu only when he activates Gates. The aura while he's in Gates won't push back Amaterasu.

ease? going V2 isn't ease. he barely dodged it. until guy shows that level of speed then no he can't dodge it.

He didn't go V2 just to dodge Amaterasu. He probably had no idea that Sasuke could even use Amaterasu, and no, he didn't 'barely dodge' it bearing in mind that he didn't even show the slight hint of surprise, which is portrayed by an exclamation mark or by the widening of the eyes, while he dodged it effortlessly. Worst case scenario, Gai uses a very minor version of Asa Kujaku to push Amaterasu back but he should be able to dodge it while in Gates.

 

[shelke]

^ No:

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- Noticing MS and spiking up his Shroud by injecting Bijuu level chakra -

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Even his team had intel on Amaterau -

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- They even have intel on the fact that Amaterasu spawns on whatever the user is looking at. You think Ae didn't know that? He upped to V2 to dodge Amaterasu's Spawn point, which went askew anyway because of Sasuke's affected-eye-sight - as he couldn't pick up a glass earlier.

He went into V2 with Bijuu Chakra enhancement specifically to counter MS. In fact, his chakra levels were rising significantly even before that, as he was prepping for V2 Spike -

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The rest is pure speculation. Gai pushing back Amaterasu or even hoping to dodge it? No.

 

[Touken]

^ No:

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- Noticing MS and spiking up his Shroud by injecting Bijuu level chakra -

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Even his team had intel on Amaterau -

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- They even have intel on the fact that Amaterasu spawns on whatever the user is looking at. You think Ae didn't know that? He upped to V2 to dodge Amaterasu's Spawn point, which went askew anyway because of Sasuke's affected-eye-sight - as he couldn't pick up a glass earlier.

He went into V2 with Bijuu Chakra enhancement specifically to counter MS. In fact, his chakra levels were rising significantly even before that, as he was prepping for V2 Spike -

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The rest is pure speculation. Gai pushing back Amaterasu or even hoping to dodge it? No.

To counter MS? Yeah, he spiked his levels for that but he had no idea Sasuke had Amaterasu. Sasuke purely having MS doesn't immediately signify he can use Amaterasu.

Err, why not? Amaterasu has literally no motion whatsoever so anything with motion going in the opposite direction would counter it. It's not speculation, it's making logical conclusions from what we've been given from the manga. Major difference.

 

[slimreaper]

I already mentioned that.

It can push back Amaterasu only when he activates Gates. The aura while he's in Gates won't push back Amaterasu.

He didn't go V2 just to dodge Amaterasu. He probably had no idea that Sasuke could even use Amaterasu, and no, he didn't 'barely dodge' it bearing in mind that he didn't even show the slight hint of surprise, which is portrayed by an exclamation mark or by the widening of the eyes, while he dodged it effortlessly. Worst case scenario, Gai uses a very minor version of Asa Kujaku to push Amaterasu back but he should be able to dodge it while in Gates.

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considering he moved at top speed, and it nearly hit him i would say yes he did barely dodge it. Guy isn't even close to that level of speed.

 

[shelke]

To counter MS? Yeah, he spiked his levels for that but he had no idea Sasuke had Amaterasu. Sasuke purely having MS doesn't immediately signify he can use Amaterasu.

Err, why not? Amaterasu has literally no motion whatsoever so anything with motion going in the opposite direction would counter it. It's not speculation, it's making logical conclusions from what we've been given from the manga. Major difference.

The scans are as cut and dry as they can be. The fact that he went to MS and Ae's upped his chakra before it, means that he was waiting to counter anything MS would throw at him, whether it's genjutsu or Amaterasu. Manga facts, supported by Ae and Chee's monologues.

Amaterasu spawns on the target. Gated Guy is no where near V2 Ae. Don't over-preseume much. Even Obito's Intangibility on-set utterly failed before Amaterasu when he saw it coming and acknowledged it as well. Gated Gai couldn't is canonically much slower than Intangibility on-set.

Even Ae counted throw off an Enton from his body and had to cut an arm. Since gated techniques are not even chakra based, you think he throws it off him given how quickly it burns?

 

[Touken]

The scans are as cut and dry as they can be. The fact that he went to MS and Ae's upped his chakra before it means that he was waiting to counter anything MS would throw at him, whether it's genjutsu or Amaterasu.

And I'm not denying this. I'm simply stating he had no clue in the world that it'd be Amaterasu.

Amaterasu spawns on the target. Gated Guy is no where near V2 Ae. Don't over-preseume much. Even Obito's Intangibility on-set utterly failed before Amaterasu when he saw it coming and acknowledged it as well. Gated Gai couldn't is canonically much slower than Intangibility on-set.

His striking speed is so fast that it produces flames. His striking speed is far superior than V2 Ay's Shunshin. Obito's reflexes don't allow him to use Kamui in time and Gai in Gates has reflexes that are far superior to Obito's. Obito's Kamui intangibility is instant but he has to first react to incoming attacks to then make his certain body parts sent to the other dimension, meaning he has to react to attacks. He had no reason whatsoever to suspect an attack coming from a very weakened Sasuke.

 

[shelke]

^ And I am saying that he was going to elude MS's line-of-sight which would have countered both Amaterasu and Genjutsu.

Striking Speed and Foot Speed are not same. Even in this regard his Reflex Speed shouldn't be at Ae's level - not even close:

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- Gai is outclassed on both accounts. I doubt it, as Obito was reacting and turning on his Intangibility almost to all of attacks. Unless you believe that gated Gai is faster than KCM and BM Naruto, which cannot be true.

As I said, he saw and acknowledged Amaterasu coming and still couldn't react in time:

Obito not only noticed the Chakra built-up for Amaterasu -

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but acknowledged it as well by thinking ‘Impossible’ -

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Expecting or not expecting it, he saw it coming. Let's not deny this.

 

[elsepa]

Only Sausage fans disagree

 

[TheTailedSage]

damn the ground lifted? he must be faster than Ay

naruto at the valley of the end was of comparable speed and sasuke straight up owned him. add to the fact that sasuke's eyes are superior now

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like I said earlier until he is on the level of V2 Ay then he isn't dodging it

He bounces off the air to hit gaara now if thats not fast movement then i dont know what the frick you call fast. And considering that was 1 tail naruto and Sasuke struggled to take naruto out, i have no idea what your on about or what it has to do with this. 1 tail naruto isn't any where near 5 gates level of speed.

He is BOUNCING off air and before he gave the final blow he was only in 4 gates

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EMS has not been shown to increase prediction ability, futhermore MS struggled to keep up with Bee kenjutsu so comparing Gates to his sharingan is laughable.

Yes, his Chakra levels spiked to bijuu level for simply hitting V2 - Karin confirms it. Really, it has been proven that Sharingan cannot see Gated Gai? Please do show some proof.

Again, show me proof that Gai cannot be seen. This is self-made, clearly. Big freaking deal, Bee has godly reflexes - he countered FTG once and reacted with his Katana the second time - Sasuke was - despite being badly injured - still keeping up with him without the Sharingan at first. Had he not used Raiton - Sasuke had no knowledge on this - to deflect his Kusnagi back, he never would have been stabbed.

Show me proof that he even matches V1 Ae, let alone V2. Such a far-fetched statement.

HE has biju chakra capacity, not chakra power, she said its "Growing" implying quantity not quality

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Why are you going to ask for explicit proof of that particular thing when you know theirs none, im going off trusted speculation and i see no reason as to how i could be wrong

Before Lee opened Gates Kakashi had his sharingan away

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once HE brought out gates he was illustraed in astonishment

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and even more so when he saw 4 gates when he said "fast" widening his eyes. The implications shwo that he was "trying" to keep up with the speed

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MS Sasuke struggled to keep up with Bee kenjutsu saying it was "unpredictable", why? because he couldnt keep up with the swords its simple. The sharingan has a limit as to what it can predict/read. It first of all has to actually "See" the opponants move if they have any chance of evasion

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He knew full well what the Raikages speed was like and his sharingan should have told him what he's really against. Sasuke always had the sharingan active LOL what are you talking about?? from when they found out he was a raiton user he had it active.

 

[shelke]

^ Did Karin mention Quality? She clearly states 'rising'. How can something such as Chakra can rise in Quality?

That doesn't even remotely imply that he couldn't see him.

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Bee sweating at Sasuke's speed Spike -

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Sasuke reacting and countering just fine:

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- His Sharingan is not on here.
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- His Sharingan did see through the Sword attack, but as he himself was injured, his body couldn't respond properly. Even then, he just received a tiny cut -

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As for the stabs:

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- He didn't know Bee could cancel it out with his own Raiton. That gave Bee an opening after deflecting his sword back.

Even during this time, Sasuke was quick enough to avoid any fatal attacks by moving Raiton through his own body -

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Sasuke was keeping up with Bee just fine, even without Sharingan in the first panel and had a vast upper hand in single-sword combat. Had it not been for his 'severe injuries' and Raiton attack deflecting his back, he never would have gotten stabbed. Read the whole fight in lieu of picking out just one thing.

^ This should explain things better. He wasn't using MS, in fact, he wasn't even using Sharingan against Bee at first.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your last point.

 

[TheTailedSage]

^ Did Karin mention Quality? She clearly states 'rising'. How can something such as Chakra can rise in Quality?

That doesn't even remotely imply that he couldn't see him.



^ This should explain things better. He wasn't using MS, in fact, he wasn't even using Sharingan against Bee at first.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your last point.

Biju power chkara>>>Normal chakra

Their are different strengths of chakra, better quality mean sou rable to pull off jutsu with less chakra consumption because of the power of your chakra.

If he cant see the muscles of the opponent then he can't predict. I fail to understand what your failing to grasp here. If you knew your stuff on the sharingan you would know that the only way they can possibly predict the next move is through muscle movement.


Last point?? i wasnt talking in riddles, Sasuke had his sharingan activated throughout the entire Kage fight

 

[Tendou00]

Sasuke barely dodged it, not sure if Gai need gates , Gai easily dodge it.