[FEAR] Truth Behind the Hyuga ~ Princess Kaguya

[Yahcob13]

I like it. Hopefully some light will be shed on this soon. I have been wondering about the orgins of the hyuga and uzimaki since I started reading this manga. I never payed too much attention to that picture of Neji as the phoenix but the symbolism does suggest some epicness.

 

[FearxDeath]

Kl will have a look, (reserve this space )

Edit:

Ok read through it, mind = blown over vestigial eye inside my brain first of all. Yes it might just be retina that can react to light but still that's pretty unusual, something I didn't know. Ergo its a vestigial eye by default.

Revisited: Where did Chakra Come From

But about what you said about chakra, that people didn't "know" how to use it, I have to disagree Madara has just stated how it is the Sage planned to solve wars and create peace, through chakra. He shared his chakra with everyone allowing them to kneed their own mental and physical energies. This means that his chakra allowed them to mix their own energies to create their own chakra. Its almost like his chakra became a chakra network for them like they have a miniature mokuton bonzi tree inside them lol.

To me this statement by Madara is pretty explicit on what it means.

Regarding there being chakra BEFORE the sage I agree completely. The summons likely used Senjutsu exclusively. Ergo Kaguya was the first HUMAN to wield chakra.

The Third Eye

I agree, overall best explanation of where the Byakugan came from and how over the generations a Dojutsu can be trained and then inherited. I would rep you 10 times over for this analysis but I can't.

Edit:

Just reped every random-er in this thread still can't rep you T_T

1) Let me show you which scan you are talking about when you talk about Madara:

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When he speaks on Chakra he is talking about it the same way one talks about Math or Science. Not as a litteral thing but more of a Piece of Knowledge. This is reinforced when he says "The Hermit of Six Paths taught that Nishuu to people and tried to lead them towards peace." Emphasis on the word "that" which corellates that the Nishuu he is talking about is infact the Chakra he was previously talking about.

So again, The Sage taught them how to use the Chakra they already possessed. He did not give them Chakra. Because if he got Chakra from the Juubi then gave everyone else that Chakra, then technically everyone should have the same Chakra as the Bijuu. So technically everyone who uses Chakra are Pseudo Jinchuriki? You open a can of worms when you start talking about that.

And in response to your last sentence I agree, she was the first human to wield it, but not the first to have it. Again Chakra is not an entity in itself, it is the mixture of Yin and Yang Energies, all humans are born with Yin and Yang energies therefore they all have the potential to create/use Chakra.

"Truth Behind the Hyuga ~ Princess Kaguya" aka FearxDeath continues his campaign to try and make the Hyuga relevant.



Agreed.

LOL, Touche

Its a shame but its practically this.

I really do dislike these ignorant comments that marginalize all forms of debate around the issue. Its spawned form the same people who created the "Madara can do this because he is Madara" form of logic, no, it isnt logic. It is counter Logic. Because there is no logic to it, merely emotion/feeling.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

UPDATE #1 HAS BEEN RELEASED, THE THREAD IS NOW OFFICIALLY COMPLETE. PLEASE READ UPDATE #1!!!



Your as quick as ever lol, atleast your not making it easy for me

I explained most of this in my new Update ^__^, as far as the Uzumaki this is a error in timeline. I will post a new update addressing the Time Line ergo Update #2. Let me know if you have any other questions




<3 This is the best observation ive seen so far. The Hyuga go to great lenghts to keep their secrets, secret. Even more than the Uchiha who eyes are gotten as easily as taking candy from a baby. There is something here, I know it.

I am as upset as you are, Kishi did say that the Hyuga would get some development, which is why I predicted Another arc, but as time goes on it seems less and less likely, which is upsetting, since it is going to take atleast another arc to address all the secrets behind the Byakugan... or a well timed Hinata Flash back x__X

Thanks for the Update, you truly have really good observation you exceeded my expectation toward these evidence you've provided and this is probably the best explanation I've seen so far especially with the third eye located in the centre of the brain.

Sometime I'm thinking if Kishi really took the time to do his research and gathering all these references materials before even starting or during the Series.

 

[FearxDeath]

Thanks for the Update, you truly have really good observation you exceeded my expectation toward these evidence you've provided and this is probably the best explanation I've seen so far especially with the third eye located in the centre of the brain.

Sometime I'm thinking if Kishi really took the time to do his research and gathering all these references materials before even starting or during the Series.

I am glad you liked it!!

As far as Kishimoto its best explained with the ideology of the 2 types of writers:

Architects - Are writers who plan everything out, every move, every fight, every word up until the ending is already planned and calculated.

Gardeners - Are writers who lay a foundation and let it grow as time goes on. They have an idea of what the end is giong to look like, but getting their is open to debate.

I believe Kishi is the latter, He knows what the end of Naruto will look like and as he goes on he comes up with different idea's on how to take things. And when you consider that a simple fight scene can take up to 3-4 Manga Chapters (IE 3-4 Weeks) to create then he really has plenty of time to do research on the lore behind manga and their characters, and Kishi is known for adding ALOT of Mythological and Religious references to the Manga. (Here is a link to another thread I made toward one of the religious references he makes in the manga. [

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But sometimes I do feel like the Fans of the Manga do more than Kishimoto does lol, and sometimes we put things together that Kishi never even really thought of, but thats just part of the fun of following the manga.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I am quite familiar with your take on the ancestry of it and account for it. I believe:

After the Juubi was released and then sealed there were 2 Factions left of the Otsutsuki. The majority of them stayed where they were changing there names to the Hyuga. And a small faction that journeyed with the Sage teaching ninjutsu and peace to the world. When the Sage did settle down in the Land of Whirlpools he did so with the newly formed Clan made up of Him and the Small faction that journeyed with him, they named themselves the Uzumaki as their old name "Otsutsuki" paid homage to a great Evil. Later on when the Hyuga heard news that the descendants of the Sage were creating their own nation they migrated to Konoha and joined them.

Everything fits together perfectly and makes perfect sense.

^^ This. You just blown away all doubts which I have

very well constructed theory with really excellent effort put to surface little hints from manga to back up your theory . I am very impressed and I read it completly

I will send it to Kishimoto right away +rep for you

 

[kageking]

Well hypthetically, Derp has a point on that, Obtio had as his teacher Madara, the one who had read the uchiha tablet while Kakashi has heard this by some, probably, random or at least not speciallized on such matters people.

Assumptions. None of that has been either proved or disproved which is why I don't think it's a valid argument here. Your argument sounds like this:
Guy: (person a) says that this happened.
Guy 2: That can't be true because (person b) said this happened.
Guy: Well if (person b_ said it it must be true. I mean it's person b!
Guy 2: Yeah! silly (person a) doesn't know what he's talking about.
Me: We have no evidence to prove or disprove either statement.
Guy: Woah you calling (person b) a liar BRO!?! YOU WANNA GO BRO!?!
Me: no...i'm saying you can't use an unproven statement to disprove another unproven statement.

Obito got that information straight from madara who got that info from the uchiha tablet, that was most likely written by the sage...

How do you know he got it straight from Madara? Even if he did, who's to say Madara didn't manipulate the truth for his own purposes? In fact who's to say Madara knows everything there is to know? You just assume but until proven otherwise, the validity of Obito's statements are just as questionable as kakashis so using one to dismiss the other doesn't work.

 

[Tui]

Not to mention the whole tablet thing is sketchy as hell. Why would the sage write down this history so that only the Uchiha can decipher it when he chose his younger son as his successor? Seems more likely the elder son wrote it or there's something more about the tablet we don't understand...

 

[FearxDeath]

^^ This. You just blown away all doubts which I have

very well constructed theory with really excellent effort put to surface little hints from manga to back up your theory . I am very impressed and I read it completly

I will send it to Kishimoto right away +rep for you

Thanks man, Im glad you liked it! Hopefully kishimotto is proud

Not to mention the whole tablet thing is sketchy as hell. Why would the sage write down this history so that only the Uchiha can decipher it when he chose his younger son as his successor? Seems more likely the elder son wrote it or there's something more about the tablet we don't understand...

You seem to be filled with words of wisdom, thats something ive actually never thought of before. It likely that the elder son wrote the tablet. I mean the Sage gives the OLDER son the tablet then makes it so that only Sharingans can read, which at that point hadnt been created yet (Elder son was the only one with the eyes).

What if Tsukuyomi was the Elder Sons plan which he passed down to his descendants if the younger brothers plans proved inefficient. Remember the Elder Son believe peace needed to be forced on the people and the younger believed peace could be attained through love and understanding...

Would you mind if I turned this into a thread? Its your idea so you have carte blanche.

 

[Tui]

Go for it, and yeah the elder son being the original creator of infinite Tsukuyomi is an interesting idea.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I am glad you liked it!!

As far as Kishimoto its best explained with the ideology of the 2 types of writers:

Architects - Are writers who plan everything out, every move, every fight, every word up until the ending is already planned and calculated.

Gardeners - Are writers who lay a foundation and let it grow as time goes on. They have an idea of what the end is giong to look like, but getting their is open to debate.

I believe Kishi is the latter, He knows what the end of Naruto will look like and as he goes on he comes up with different idea's on how to take things. And when you consider that a simple fight scene can take up to 3-4 Manga Chapters (IE 3-4 Weeks) to create then he really has plenty of time to do research on the lore behind manga and their characters, and Kishi is known for adding ALOT of Mythological and Religious references to the Manga. (Here is a link to another thread I made toward one of the religious references he makes in the manga. [

You must be registered for see links

] [

You must be registered for see links

])

But sometimes I do feel like the Fans of the Manga do more than Kishimoto does lol, and sometimes we put things together that Kishi never even really thought of, but thats just part of the fun of following the manga.

Yea I can totally see that Kishi took alot of religious references, and plan things out to his series and even said in the interview that he knows how to end the series, also giving some advice in this year 2014 jump festa stated " To put more Idea ahead of time that can be expanded upon later"

However as you said what worry me is that us fans puts up more arguable and really great analysis to the extent that a mangaka never even thought of to begin with and sometime Kishi doesn't plan things out giving alot of inconsistencies as he's progressing writing every chapters especially with "I don't know how to kill off Madara"

If you take look at Oda the creator of Onepiece, I believe he's more of Architects writer as you've probably seen the series how things always plans out with the plot giving everyone developments, and more Historical events.

 

[Naruto Uzumaki Sage]

This a very good theory, Great job.

 

[adeshina365]

Congratulations.

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Sorry for giving you a hard time

 

[|KirA|]

This should be a top thread.

 

[Tui]

Let's not forget that it's been mentioned a few times about how the Hyuuga seal their eyes to protect the "secrets of the bayakugan". It's easy to dismiss this as merely meaning to prevent them from being stolen, however it's just as easy to say there's something more to the bayakugan.

ALSO, Kishi did say there will be Hyuuga development soon. Why does this have to simply be Neji dying? Maybe Neji dies so that Hinata is the only Hyuuga left in the Konoha group so she can take some kind of pivotal role on.

I get skepticism but simply dismissing any important role by the Hyuuga is silly willy illy nilly.

Feels good to be right

 

[|KirA|]

i still think this should be hotter

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

i still think this should be hotter

Yes Indeed, FearxDeath manage to cleanse all the FanBase out there who doubted him. He is brilliance

 

[|KirA|]

Yes Indeed, FearxDeath manage to cleanse all the FanBase out there who doubted him. He is brilliance

yes, indeed.

 

[XxLotusxX]

You write a damn good thread, Fear, and you've got an eye for detail. I like this thread very much.

 

[Baconheimer]

good stuff, you nailed it

 

[flyboyissac]

Dam so much