Sasuke's PS != Madara's PS

[ANiMUS]

Different susanoo's cannot be compared, Madara's susanoo has its own feats and they are only applicaple to Madara. that should be obvious. Sure, both Minato and naruto can use rasengan, but for the longest Minato's was still stronger.
-How can you compare susanoo's? They are completly different, sasuke has a amaterasu sword for crists sake, his susanoo is different than madara's. Just becuase Madara cut multiple mountains with PS sword swing shockwave- doesnot mean sasuke can- They are using different swords, should be ovious.
Since the feats that Sasuke's perfect susanoo got are unquantifiable, you cant just scale sasuke's PS to Madara's.
First, Sasuke wrapped his PS around a kyubi that is half the size that Madara wrapped around, considering that- you cannot assume sasuke can make a larger susanoo without evidence, at best you can powerscale and say that sasuke's PS is half as strong as Madara's.

In that case half size would be the minimum not the max. We have no idea whether Sasuke could wrap something larger.

 

[Ovan]

Madara mastered his.. Sasuke need more experience.

 

[ANiMUS]

Madara mastered his.. Sasuke need more experience.

Maybe U_U

 

[Avinash012]

But it does make your chakra inexhaustible, if your chakra keeps being replenished then u can make any number of clones. Also Naruto went into BM and smacked down Madara's susanoo and it appeared the same size as the other bijuu, he hasn't been healed or replenished his chakra since


Actually, they did, Oonoki noticed a huge difference in chakra from v3 to v4, but as I have said he was simply astounded that the abundance chakra that was v4 became stable.

The display of chakra from Sasuke's MS yamabusa susanoo was also enough to scare Kakashi sh**less

and v2 was enough to break Danzo's CM. Kishi shouldn't have to spoon feed u

Lmao,he noticed difference in size not the amount of chakra Madara uses.

@Bold:Lmao,funny thing is it was actually u who is asking for spoon feed proofs and now ur using that point against me? Don't u think same logic goes for u as well? Madara's PS is much stronger as well as bigger version of all of his Susanoo forms which proves that it uses more chakra than any other form,once again there is no need for spoon feed,common sense helps alot in such cases.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

In that case half size would be the minimum not the max. We have no idea whether Sasuke could wrap something larger.

I agree, half the size is the minimum asuming kyubi avater = actuall half kyubi. ( remember naruto gave out kyubi chakra to shinobi alliance, which probably makes the kyubi avatar smaller)

Sasuke's PS is roughly half the size of VOTE Madara's susanoo - we have no idea if he can make it bigger, so for current feats all you can say is it is considerably (50% +) smaller.

 

[ANiMUS]

Lmao,he noticed difference in size not the amount of chakra Madara uses.

@Bold:Lmao,funny thing is it was actually u who is asking for spoon feed proofs and now ur using that point against me? Don't u think same logic goes for u as well? Madara's PS is much stronger as well as bigger version of all of his Susanoo forms which proves that it uses more chakra than any other form,once again there is no need for spoon feed,common sense helps alot in such cases.

Using chakra more efficienctly gives u a more powerful technique. Instead of expending more chakra u make better use of the chakra present to achieve a more powerful efficienct product by stabilizing. PS is simply an expression of the user's chakra and spirit. It changes form depending on power of the user's chakra.

The only difference is PS in which the user takes control and shapes the chakra into a stable mass. If Madara released his susanoo and then told it to "settle down" how does that sound like increasing chakra to u???

Its size is the only reason ppl think it takes more chakra, but if u read it simply says control that's all.

I agree, half the size is the minimum asuming kyubi avater = actuall half kyubi. ( remember naruto gave out kyubi chakra to shinobi alliance, which probably makes the kyubi avatar smaller)

Sasuke's PS is roughly half the size of VOTE Madara's susanoo - we have no idea if he can make it bigger, so for current feats all you can say is it is considerably (50% +) smaller.

Exactly, would +rep, but I need to spread more around

 

[Avinash012]

Using chakra more efficienctly gives u a more powerful technique. Instead of expending more chakra u make better use of the chakra present to achieve a more powerful efficienct product by stabilizing. PS is simply an expression of the user's chakra and spirit. It changes form depending on power of the user's chakra.

The only difference is PS in which the user takes control and shapes the chakra into a stable mass. If Madara released his susanoo and then told it to "settle down" how does that sound like increasing chakra to u???

Its size is the only reason ppl think it takes more chakra, but if u read it simply says control that's all.

Since when does chakra control = Susanoo shape control? Does that mean if Itachi's chakra control is better than Sasuke then V1 or Itachi is stronger than V1 of Sasuke right? Lmao what does Madara saying settle down has anything to do with increasing chakra or decreasing it?If it uses less amount of chakra then why didn't he used it against Hashirama during his VOTE battle? Iam pretty sure he used unstabilized version of Susanoo b4 combining it with Kyuubi.DO u think he did it to waste his chakra even though he knew that it is nothing more than wasting his chakra? Stabilized version of Susanoo is the strongest form of Susanoo and that's why Madara stabilized it.Even if we assume that it reduces waste of chakra,the size of PS is bigger than unstabilized PS which means that he need more chakra.

 

[BlinkST]

What was smaller? The 25 legged Susanoos? Each one was at least 5x (and that's being generous)

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and Sasuke was about the size of his Susanoos midsection meaning at most it's 3x his height and Amy is taller than Sasuke so...

Nope.

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Sasuke can produce a Susano'o that is as large (If not larger) than Madara's.

 

[Dantee]

There shouldn't be any doubt that Sasuke has PS. When he combined his Susanoo with the Kyuubi you can notice some similar changes like Madaras PS. This includes a new sword, Tengu nose, and diamond forhead.

Sasukes complete susanoo was as big as Narutos Kyuubi avatar. Common sense should tell you PS is bigger than complete susanoo.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Nope.

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Sasuke can produce a Susano'o that is as large (If not larger) than Madara's.

Definitely larger. Garra looks like he's as big as a susanoo head while Sasuke's much smaller than his susanoo's head.

There shouldn't be any doubt that Sasuke has PS. When he combined his Susanoo with the Kyuubi you can notice some similar changes like Madaras PS. This includes a new sword, Tengu nose, and diamond forhead.

Sasukes complete susanoo was as big as Narutos Kyuubi avatar. Common sense should tell you PS is bigger than complete susanoo.

I'm a Naruto fan, and I agree with this statement..... except for the last part. That part is an assumption. I don't think PS has an automatic size change.

 

[ANiMUS]

Since when does chakra control = Susanoo shape control? Does that mean if Itachi's chakra control is better than Sasuke then V1 or Itachi is stronger than V1 of Sasuke right? Lmao what does Madara saying settle down has anything to do with increasing chakra or decreasing it?If it uses less amount of chakra then why didn't he used it against Hashirama during his VOTE battle? Iam pretty sure he used unstabilized version of Susanoo b4 combining it with Kyuubi.DO u think he did it to waste his chakra even though he knew that it is nothing more than wasting his chakra? Stabilized version of Susanoo is the strongest form of Susanoo and that's why Madara stabilized it.Even if we assume that it reduces waste of chakra,the size of PS is bigger than unstabilized PS which means that he need more chakra.

V4 is the only form in which we know u can stabilize chakra. EMS only.

You need to first summon the raw material b4 creating a finished product. U cant simply just go into PS.

As I have already stated if you eliminate waste then you have more chakra to put in to the technique.

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The only statement of an increase in chakra was from v3 to v4 in which Oonoki called the chakra "Enormous"
from that he was amazed that Madara Stabilized that chakra

 

[shelke]

Shattered Juubito's Creation Sword. Yeah, what a sub-par feat. This guy ... Lol

Sasuke's ribcage

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Madara's ribcage.

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If susanoos were always equal with each other, then Madara's ribcage should have had some broken parts the instant Naruto hit him with massive ransengan.


That being said, I think Sasuke has PS and is at least half of Madara's. Whether or not it's the same level of power is debatable, but Sasuke does have abilities with susanoo that Madara does not.

That's isn't even a proper rib-cage, but formations of one - the very first time he was even using Susano'o. Love it how this point was completely ignored. But even that managed to tank Mei's point-blank Lava-Release, plus Chojirou's attack and protected him from her acid attack as well for a while, before it weakened because of his chakra loss. Madara's higher Susano'o tier was melting because of Mei's lava attack.

 

[BlinkST]

It's non-applicable, period. Madara's ribcage was in a more advanced transformation than Sasuke's was at that point. This would be more comparable.

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Once you see screws and tissue, the Susano'o transformation is already more advanced.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Sasuke's Susanoo is equal to Madara's, that part is true.

But Sasuke's chakra reserves are by far lower. Madara using "25 susanoo" isn't a "susanoo power feat". It's a "holy crap that's a lot of chakra feat".

Sasuke is far weaker than his ancestor.

 

[BlinkST]

Sasuke's Susanoo is equal to Madara's, that part is true.

But Sasuke's chakra reserves are by far lower. Madara using "25 susanoo" isn't a "susanoo power feat". It's a "holy crap that's a lot of chakra feat".

Sasuke is far weaker than his ancestor.

Not sure how Sasuke not making 25 wood clones proves he has "lower" chakra than Madara. Nevermind the fact that Madara is no longer operating in the capacity of 'Madara Uchiha'.

 

[Yahcob13]

Best susanoo:
1. Sasuke
2. Itachi
3. Foddera

 

[Avinash012]

V4 is the only form in which we know u can stabilize chakra. EMS only.

You need to first summon the raw material b4 creating a finished product. U cant simply just go into PS.

As I have already stated if you eliminate waste then you have more chakra to put in to the technique.

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The only statement of an increase in chakra was from v3 to v4 in which Oonoki called the chakra "Enormous"
from that he was amazed that Madara Stabilized that chakra

Are u saying that anyform of Susanoo b3 PS uses the same amount of chakra regardless of it's size because no one ever said it? I have already told even if Madara can save chakra by stabilizing Susanoo that chakra'll used to increase the size of Susanoo as stabilized version is bigger than that of unstab version so Ur argument has no value here.
Once again Madara using less amount of chakra for Stab PS than unstab one won't favor Sasuke by any means as his PS is far beyond anything Sasuke can hope of according to feats & again we have strength of chakra argument which can possibly effect the size difference b/w Sasuke's Ps and Madara's PS.

Let me tell that Iam not one of those guys who says Sasuke's PS is definitely smaller than Madara because he never showed it,IMO it is possible for Sasuke to have it so both cases are possible and I won't deny any of them.

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke has yet to use his full-size "Perfect" Susanoo:

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[flyboyissac]

sasuke just got PS. I think it'll take some time for him to master it.

Why Superman ?

 

[To Whatever]

Fact:
Sasuke's Current Perfect Susanoo is inferior to Madara's​