How did the Elder son have Rinnegan if he didn't have the body of the sage?

[EternalKaze7]

Well, To me it kinda looks like the rinnegan, but the picture isn't very clear. It sorta looks like the rinnegan combined with the symbol for the uzamaki clan. In my opinion there are four options.

1. It is the rinnegan.
2. It is an entirely new eye, perhaps a development after the EMS when only Uchiha DNA is used, and when Senju and Uchiha DNA is used it makes the Rinnegan.
3. There is some sort of seal on the eye restricting its power or was made specifically by the sage to be weaker than a rinnegan.
4. It is what his Mangekyou sharingan looks like.

I think there is a possible connection to the 4 major clans and even the insignificant one called the Hagoromo clan. In that each of them are searching out for what they do not have. It's like that's why the Uchiha (Sasuke) are at war with the Senju (represented by Naruto), while the two relative clans Uzumaki (represented by Karin) and Hyuuga (Hinata) seek love from their opposites. Karin-Sasuke, Hinata-Naruto haha that's just the obvious stuff

 

[EternalKaze7]

The same reasons there arent any dinosaurs running around. They died out. A lizard cant unlock being a T-Rex with enough practice.
Similarly, the Elder son Dojutsu died out, because noone has the genes for it anymore.

No, the sage isnt Uchiha+Senju. That's not how genetics work. Similarly, the elder son isn't pure Uchiha. Some other dojutsu's could have existed before the rinnegan. They might have combined with the elder son dojutsu to blah blah blah blah blah.

I definitely agree but go and try to make a thread explaining how Uzumaki DNA could have sufficient amount of the Younger Son's lineage to unlock rinnegan and experience abuse and come back and tell me that again.

 

[Six Paths]

Creation of all things can't create human beings- it's too complex for another human being born amongst other human beings to design a human being and create it rather than procreation like Kaguya chose- *** *** BRO!

Which man would do that? Why wouldn't he make himself a hot woman with creation of all things? :yeah:

Look, in the beginning the Sage was Monk as stated by Jiraiya. Monks can't get married, but still the sage wanted someone to bring peace and someone he could have trust into, and who could be better than the son of him that will have the strong body of the sage and the strong eyes.

 

[Cooh]

Look, in the beginning the Sage was Monk as stated by Jiraiya. Monks can't get married, but still the sage wanted someone to bring peace and someone he could have trust into, and who could be better than the son of him that will have the strong body of the sage and the strong eyes.

Who said anything about getting married? :erm:

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Which man would do that? Why wouldn't he make himself a hot woman with creation of all things? :yeah:

Because the Sage was not interested in carnal pleasures, he is a priest, his goal was enlightenment, not ***.

 

[EternalKaze7]

Look, in the beginning the Sage was Monk as stated by Jiraiya. Monks can't get married, but still the sage wanted someone to bring peace and someone he could have trust into, and who could be better than the son of him that will have the strong body of the sage and the strong eyes.

Not all monks throughout culture are the same so he could have married. Why would he create the elder son knowing he would end up choosing a hateful path? And did you even listen to Madara's stone tablet stories and the idea that he created all things is a myth because their was war and people in the world before him? So he's just going to skip the *** part by creating a child? That's denying 'God's creation of all things and that *** is natural - denying Nature- Senjutsu-Nature chakra? He is yin-yang so why would he not be able to understand balance enough to know he should just put his Wang in a girl if he wanted something he couldn't obtain without disobeying his unnatural religion.

 

[Cooh]

Because the Sage was not interested in carnal pleasures, he is a priest, his goal was enlightenment, not ***.

[video=youtube;YaG5SAw1n0c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaG5SAw1n0c[/video]

=D

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Not all monks throughout culture are the same so he could have married. Why would he create the elder son knowing he would end up choosing a hateful path? And did you even listen to Madara's stone tablet stories and the idea that he created all things is a myth because their was war and people in the world before him? So he's just going to skip the *** part by creating a child? That's denying 'God's creation of all things and that *** is natural - denying Nature- Senjutsu-Nature chakra? He is yin-yang so why would he not be able to understand balance enough to know he should just put his Wang in a girl if he wanted something he couldn't obtain without disobeying his unnatural religion.

Monks don't fight giant evil Trees.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Not all monks throughout culture are the same so he could have married. Why would he create the elder son knowing he would end up choosing a hateful path? And did you even listen to Madara's stone tablet stories and the idea that he created all things is a myth because their was war and people in the world before him? So he's just going to skip the *** part by creating a child? That's denying 'God's creation of all things and that *** is natural - denying Nature- Senjutsu-Nature chakra? He is yin-yang so why would he not be able to understand balance enough to know he should just put his Wang in a girl if he wanted something he couldn't obtain without disobeying his unnatural religion.

The Creation of All Things is used to create life:

Viz:

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The Bijuus are but one example

So what were the other creations with Banbutsu Sozo?

This:

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The Elder Son (Yin) The Younger Son (Yang)

And that is why the powers of the Elder and Younger Sons are so evenly divided, because their conception was not biological, but mystical.

END.

 

[EternalKaze7]

The Creation of All Things is used to create life:

Viz:

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The Bijuus are but one example

So what were the other creations with Banbutsu Sozo?

This:

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The Elder Son (Yin) The Younger Son (Yang)

And that is why the powers of the Elder and Younger Sons are so evenly divided, because their conception was not biological, but mystical.

END.

*sigh* I understand the scans Sir Derp, but it just does not add up that he would choose this over *** when there were other humans around, even if he was a priest. In the bible there were priests- High priests who married, I just don't see what the point is in skipping this to do some hocus pocus crap like that.

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

no he don't have reningan

 

[FemmeFatale]

He had the sage ocular prowess meaning he had the purest most potent form of the sharrigan/Bykagugan/rinnegan

 

[Deadboy]

He did this when he was on his death bed didn't he? would be an extensive wait, 18 month's at least, to get the job done b4 he died.

 

[EternalKaze7]

He had the sage ocular prowess meaning he had the purest most potent form of the sharrigan/Bykagugan/rinnegan

Fo sho yo

He did this when he was on his death bed didn't he? would be an extensive wait, 18 month's at least, to get the job done b4 he died.

Immaculately conceived cursed first born son? That makes alot of sense ya know.

 

[KCMNaruto]

The most easiest and simpliest explanation could be that Elder son's eye are nothing other then EMS design of Elder Son... while Kishi made them spiral shapped to confuse readers and create doubt about possibility of it being Rinnegan.

It also perfectly fits to describe how eyes were devolved/degraded to lower stages by diluting blood of Sage of six paths over ages.

Rinnegan-> EMS-> MS-> Sharingan... it could be called devolution while currently evolution of sharingan happens to bring it to it's true orignal form(Rinnegan).

 

[AlastorNazura17]

The Creation of All Things is used to create life:

Viz:

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The Bijuus are but one example

So what were the other creations with Banbutsu Sozo?

This:

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You must be registered for see images

The Elder Son (Yin) The Younger Son (Yang)

And that is why the powers of the Elder and Younger Sons are so evenly divided, because their conception was not biological, but mystical.

END.

This is it right here. ^

 

[Prime Rib]

I know it sounds like a stupid question- maybe Nbase members just make me doubt everything I think- but okay he inherited his eyes from the sage and did came from the sage who is the originator of both clans but wtf he didn't inherit the body of the sage which was only continued through the Younger son not thru the Elder son so how does he have the rinnegan eye? Is it just because he was born directly from the sage?

(I read the manga, I'm not stupid but I just want to know what everyone else here thinks)

in b4 'it wasn't rinnegan tho'

it was never stated if the elder son had the sage rinnegan... but he did inherit his fathers eyes,the powerfull chakra, and spirtual energy from him.

he does not need the sage body to have a dojutsu like the rinnegan

 

[Transcendence]

A common misconception that people hold on to is that the Elder Son didn’t have a distinct Dojutsu, and it was merely the Rinnegan. That is incorrect. The Rin’negan is rooted within the Juubi’s chakra through and through, and only by reconvening Rikudou’s bloodline (Senju+Uchiha) can one have the Rinnegan at their disposal (and that’s not even factoring in the Juubi and the high possibility that someone with no Dojutsu could have the Rinnegan from its chakra). The Elder Son could not have had the Rinnegan as he lacked the supplementing Yang of his Younger brother to transform his eyes.
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[adeshina365]

He didn't have the Rinnegan.

Nonetheless I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto has already retconned his Doujutsu design to resemble a regular Mangekyou.

 

[EternalKaze7]

The most easiest and simpliest explanation could be that Elder son's eye are nothing other then EMS design of Elder Son... while Kishi made them spiral shapped to confuse readers and create doubt about possibility of it being Rinnegan.

I highly doubt that he is trying to confuse the reader, that's a little unfair, I agree with the bold part.

The Rin’negan is rooted within the Juubi’s chakra through and through
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That's all I agree with

I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto has already retconned his Doujutsu design to resemble a regular Mangekyou.

Kishi might do this though