[Theory] Speculation surrounding "Rikudou Naruto"

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Before delving in to what is going to be a much shorter theory than my usual transcripts, I advise you to read my previous thread which it itself also goes over certain thoughts in this thread that have stayed concrete and hasn’t been disproven at all.

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Prologue

The root of this theory comes from my interest in the ending of last chapter, which had Uchiha Obito give Naruto Yin Kurama. [ ]

It’s quite evident that Naruto is going to get Yin Kurama, as that was Minato’s plan all along as his “gift” that he wanted to give Naruto. But what is rather peculiar about this is simple; it makes no difference that Naruto is to get solely Yin Kurama. Madara in his Pre-Juubi Jinchuriki form easily dispatched of Naruto and yanked Kurama from him without much effort while also manhandling Eien No Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke without much effort as well. Just going out on a limb here, but there is more to what Obito is going to do, and this ties in to my hypothesis from the previous thread. . Obito specifically took out the 1 Tails chakra AND 8 tails [ ]. What’s so important about this? . The only two missing Bijuu are Shukaku AND Gyuki (Hachibi), who so coincidentally were the only portions of chakra taken out of Madara. This ties in to Naruto’s future power.

Initial premise

Postulation from the other thread: A Pseudo Juubi Jinchuriki mode.

Sounds exciting doesn’t it? Well it is. And it is likely to happen in the future. As Naruto has (will get from Obito) the remainder of the chakra that comprises the Juubi (all 9 beasts) he will be a Pseudo Juubi Jinchuriki as he doesn’t have the actual beast within him but can mirror said effects by having the essence in him (Much like how Kaguya had the Juubi's essence within her when she ate the fruit and Hagoromo was born with it's essence within him [ ]) which will tie in to the more controversial but also foreshadowed power for Naruto as well.

Benefits to this mode:

- Well as we have seen, anybody who has the Juubi’s chaka regardless of scale seem to have obscene speed [ ], enough to “blitz” someone with reflexes on the level of Tobirama (who is literally top tier, only contested by Minato, Sharingan masters and Sennin Modo users). Subsequent to this mode and the panels that preceded the scan I showed you, it displayed the strength feats one is capable of with this power.

- Higher destructive capability. We’ve seen Naruto match the combined Bijuudama from 6 Tailed beasts with just Yang Kurama within him. With Yin Kurama and the added chakra of EIGHT Tailed beasts, mirroring the Juubi’s chakra, he’s in a class of his own in terms of destructive capability. Only contested by Juubi Jinchuriki versions of Obito, Madara and Hagoromo himself.

- Heightened reflexes. I’m a tad complacent at the moment, but you scans and panels have shown that Madara was able to dodge an FTG blitz from a Sennin Modo Minato quite easily, while Obito was able to intercept Amaterasu merely by sensing chakra spurring in Uchiha Sasuke’s eye. Quite benefical.

The Rin’negan

This is controversial. For whatever reason, the base believes that Naruto is restricted to body power-ups and Sasuke eye power-ups, whereas there has been foreshadowing Naruto will awaken the Rin’negan [ ] (This is also foreshadowing that said Rin’negan will be due to the Bijuu’s coalesced chakra and the influence it has on his body) and Sasuke has been inherently compatible with Senjutsu since he was 12 years old and he’ll be dead weight against Madara unless he achieves some kind of Sennin Modo, which he likely will will (Read my premise on the Elder Sons Dojutsu here: and it’s possibly correlated to Sennin Modo as well).

It's basically down a line of events:

Kaguya ate the fruit (essence of the Juubi) -> Rikudou is born with the powers of the fruit (Still from the Juubi) -> His powers throuhout life pre and post Jin were always from the Juubi -> Both his sons are half of him and by reconvening the bloodline you awaken the Rin'negan -> Reconvening the bloodline is essentially putting back the Juubi's chakra together as Rikudou's chakra is the Juubi's chakra -> The Bijuu's ARE the Juubi and hold the same properties if put together like reconvening the bloodline did for Madara -> Essentially, Naruto awakens the foreshadowed Rin'negan (Rin'negan appearing behind him is indicative foreshadowing) along with being a Pseudo Juubi Jin basically on par with Madara (with Madara probably slightly edging him out and Sasuke tipping the scale after he comes back more powerful).

Naruto essentially becomes a Pseudo Juubi Jinchuriki, putting him near Madara in power, but has the benefit of a naturally acquired Sennin Modo and TWO Rin’negan to combat Madara. Adding in Sasuke and the inevitable power he will acquire through the means most likely of the mystery man, and the battle becomes a logical way to beat Madara without resorting to antics related to talking him down.

Extra: The Bijuu's willingly gave Naruto their chakra. The "right path" concept that Rikudou himself stated [ ] must come in to play here and that will probably be a point where Naruto may usurp Madara because he didn't force the Bijuu's to give him chakra.
 

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I told this an hour after chapter 666 was out, and I got an infraction. Nonetheless, you extended it a lot, and I think you put some interesting things that I didn't touch in my own thread.

I also agree that Naruto isn't made for Rinnegan, it is not his fighting style, and also it was stated that only the Elder Son awakened/was born with special eyes, so obviously the eye manifestation of the Sage was not inherited by Senju relatives (also this explains why Nagato didn't use the full power of the Rinnegan as Madara did).

I'm pretty sure you're in the right track when you say that Naruto is made for body powerups...

Please, let me share this theory of mine with you. I have the guess that this may compliment your thoughts.



Summarize:

The Sage's Eyes Yin was turn into what we know as the Elder Son's Doujutsu, that evolved into the Sharingan.
The Sage's Body Yang was turn into the Senju's body. Uzumaki Naruto, a distant relative, was able to turn into Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, so the special property of the body is physical compatibility with Bijuus.
 
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Very detailed and you're right on spot! :win:
Haha, thank you.
I told this an hour after chapter 666 was out, and I got an infraction. Nonetheless, you extended it a lot, and I think you put some interesting things that I didn't touch in my own thread.

I also agree that Naruto isn't made for Rinnegan, it is not his fighting style, and also it was stated that only the Elder Son awakened/was born with special eyes, so obviously the eye manifestation of the Sage was not inherited by Senju relatives (also this explains why Nagato didn't use the full power of the Rinnegan as Madara did).

I'm pretty sure you're in the right track when you say that Naruto is made for body powerups...

Please, let me share this theory of mine with you. I have the guess that this may compliment your thoughts.

Actually, I said the contrary. He IS MADE for the Rin'negan. His clone based fighting style allows him to abuse the various Rin'negan benefits like Asura's enhancements, shared vision, augmented summons, etc. The Elder Son being suited to it means nothing at all. Naruto would be perfectly suited for it. And Nagato couldn't use them to their full potential because they weren't his eyes. They were Madara's. Naruto's would be his and his only.

This man stole my theory.

I am calling the police.
I... don't even.
 

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I still disagree on the Rinnegan bit. But, yeah. Probs gonna happen.

I don't see why you would. There is foreshadowing and proper cause for it to happen. It doesn't matter if it is "overused". It's the power needed to defeat a God and it's better it goes to the "reincarnated" first user of it, than a potential villain, as they would use the powers granted by it for good, and not villainous actions.
 

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Actually, I said the contrary. He IS MADE for the Rin'negan. His clone based fighting style allows him to abuse the various Rin'negan benefits like Asura's enhancements, shared vision, augmented summons, etc. The Elder Son being suited to it means nothing at all. Naruto would be perfectly suited for it. And Nagato couldn't use them to their full potential because they weren't his eyes. They were Madara's. Naruto's would be his and his only.
The Rin’negan

This is controversial. For whatever reason, the base believes that Naruto is restricted to body power-ups and Sasuke eye power-ups, whereas there has been foreshadowing Naruto will awaken the Rin’negan [ ] (This is also foreshadowing that said Rin’negan will be due to the Bijuu’s coalesced chakra and the influence it has on his body) and Sasuke has been inherently compatible with Senjutsu since he was 12 years old and he’ll be dead weight against Madara unless he achieves some kind of Sennin Modo, which he likely will will (Read my premise on the Elder Sons Dojutsu here: and it’s possibly correlated to Sennin Modo as well).
Actually, there is a point that I would like to point out to be quite abstract in the image related to that .

Where you see a pair of Rinnegan, I see a pair of Rinnegan which porter is a shadow with huge chakra reserves.

Actually, that man seems just like .

So, the shadow behind Naruto doesn't just have a Rinnegan, but that man also has a body with huge chakra reserves.

So, I'm not that sure that we should limit the power concept in Naruto and Sasuke only to the Rinnegan, but also to the inheritance of the Younger Son's properties.
 

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Actually, there is a point that I would like to point out to be quite abstract in the image related to that .

Where you see a pair of Rinnegan, I see a pair of Rinnegan which porter is a shadow with huge chakra reserves.

Actually, that man seems just like .

So, the shadow behind Naruto doesn't just have a Rinnegan, but that man also has a body with huge chakra reserves.

So, I'm not that sure that we should limit the power concept in Naruto and Sasuke only to the Rinnegan, but also to the inheritance of the Younger Son's properties.
The portion you quoted was what I noticed on the base. And yes, it does imply the person has massive reserves. That also applies to Naruto himself, who already has outlandish reserves, and said mode would give him FAR larger reserves. I strictly stated that the base believes that the two main characters are restricted to certain powers based on a parallel that doesn't exist. Hence the statement about Sasuke and Sennin Modo and Naruto with the Rin'negan. Foreshadowing for both have been exemplified in the manga.
 

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I just don't see Naruto gaining much from the Rinnegan, unless I am forgetting something along the lines of a passive ability. With no real prior experience with eye techniques... I don't see him being the least bit proficient with the Rinnegan and it really being something that is just there but rarely used.

And yes, he has knowledge on some of the techniques. But, that still doesn't mean he can use them. Or, nearly to the point of them being useful.
 

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Good theory, I would like to add that Tobi said that even having only a piece of the Bijuu's chakra doesn't make it less potent. Also, the Sage was not born with Rinnegan, he awakened it just like Madara:

Viz:

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So why didn't Kaguya awaken the Rinnegan? what made her son special compared to her to awaken the said Doujutsu?

The differentiating factor between Hagoromo and Kaguya is that the former became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki while the latter did not, so it only stands to reason that the Sage awakened the Rinnegan when he became the Juubi's Jin.
 
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Nice read, but I completely disagree with Naruto getting the Rinnegan. Naruto is all about raw power; the Rinnegan is mostly about finesse (manipulating gravity, ripping out souls, etc.) . In all honesty, the Rinnegan abilities of the Rinnegan are better suited for Sasuke who's fighting style is also based on finesse (Amaterasu, Genjutsu, arrows, lots of shape manipulation). Sasuke will never match Naruto's raw-power. That's why he has hax and finesse to compensate.

I think Naruto's Juubi mode will essentially be BM on steroids.
 
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I just don't see Naruto gaining much from the Rinnegan, unless I am forgetting something along the lines of a passive ability. With no real prior experience with eye techniques... I don't see him being the least bit proficient with the Rinnegan and it really being something that is just there but rarely used.

And yes, he has knowledge on some of the techniques. But, that still doesn't mean he can use them. Or, nearly to the point of them being useful.
It's largely presumed that Naruto will meet Hagoromo in the next chapter due to the WSJ preview. He can learn from him. And it adds a whole new dimension to Naruto's arsenal, giving him actual versatility and will allow him to expand upon various different shinobi areas that he couldn't before.
 

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Let's be honest, if Kishi wanted to make Naruto a more versatile shinobi he would of done it nearly three hundred chapters ago. Not near the tail end of the story. And, if he were to meet with the Sage and be taught on the spot all of that stuff...Doesn't sit right in my mouth. It seems like some sort of plot device or what not, similar to the Hyperbolic time chamber in Dragon Ball.

A last minute reasoning to a new power boost/gain.
 
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Nice read, but I completely disagree with Naruto getting the Rinnegan. Naruto is all about raw power; the Rinnegan is mostly about finesse (manipulating gravity, ripping out souls, . In all honesty, the Rinnegan abilities of the Rinnegan are better suited for Sasuke who's fighting style is also based on finesse (Amaterasu, Genjutsu, arrows, lots of shape manipulation).

I think Naruto's Juubi mode will essentially be BM on steroids.

Except Sasuke is largely incompatible with the Rin'negan as that literally reverts his entire fighting style. And what finesse? It's the opposite of finesse. It offers raw destructive power. Limbo Hengoku, Chibaku Tensei, Chou Shinra Tensei etc. All things that Naruto would benefit from. Sasuke couldn't use his eyes simultaneously and would lose the massive benefit of using Amaterasu as a basis for his fighting style (it emanates from his Mangekyou and as such, is not compatible with the Rin'negan).

That's why I proposed the following for Sasuke's power:

1. Larger Perfect Susano'o than Madara's - Counteracts Naruto's superior destructive capability
2. Dragon Sage Mode - Makes his techniques far more potent and larger; imagine an Enton Tsunami. Also gives him the perception needed to combat Naruto's speed.
3. Elder Son's Dojutsu - Any kind of abilities can be introduced to combat the Rin'negan and would be good writing by Kishi if he writes that in to the fight against Madara which would translate over to his fight against Naruto (and there is the possibility of him awakening a new EMS technique through the ESD that would be hax on all levels)

Yata and Totsuka are up in the air as well. I'd hate for Sasuke to get the Rin'negan. I like Sasuke as a Pure Uchiha. I want him to show exactly what the Uchiha clan can offer, not become a clone of Madara.
 

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Good theory, I would like to add that Tobi said that even having only a piece of the Bijuu's chakra doesn't make it less potent. Also, the Sage was not born with Rinnegan, he awakened it just like Madara:

Viz:

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So why didn't Kaguya awaken the Rinnegan? what made her son special compared to her to awaken the said Doujutsu?

The differentiating factor between Hagoromo and Kaguya is that the former became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki while the latter did not, so it only stands to reason that the Sage awakened the Rinnegan when he became the Juubi's Jin.

Quite possible. Can't argue with a Viz scan for the most part.
Let's be honest, if Kishi wanted to make Naruto a more versatile shinobi he would of done it nearly three hundred chapters ago. Not near the tail end of the story. And, if he were to meet with the Sage and be taught on the spot all of that stuff...Doesn't sit right in my mouth. It seems like some sort of plot device or what not, similar to the Hyperbolic time chamber in Dragon Ball.

A last minute reasoning to a new power boost/gain.

It's basically the equivalent of the Hyperbolic time chamber but the Bijuu interface is the Naruto version, and I believe it was stated somewhere that time is slower or stops while in there, hence why Naruto was able to converse with the Bijuu's even though Obito was on the offensive.
 

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Except Sasuke is largely incompatible with the Rin'negan as that literally reverts his entire fighting style. And what finesse? It's the opposite of finesse. It offers raw destructive power. Limbo Hengoku, Chibaku Tensei, Chou Shinra Tensei etc. All things that Naruto would benefit from. Sasuke couldn't use his eyes simultaneously and would lose the massive benefit of using Amaterasu as a basis for his fighting style (it emanates from his Mangekyou and as such, is not compatible with the Rin'negan).

That's why I proposed the following for Sasuke's power:

1. Larger Perfect Susano'o than Madara's - Counteracts Naruto's superior destructive capability
2. Dragon Sage Mode - Makes his techniques far more potent and larger; imagine an Enton Tsunami. Also gives him the perception needed to combat Naruto's speed.
3. Elder Son's Dojutsu - Any kind of abilities can be introduced to combat the Rin'negan and would be good writing by Kishi if he writes that in to the fight against Madara which would translate over to his fight against Naruto (and there is the possibility of him awakening a new EMS technique through the ESD that would be hax on all levels)

Yata and Totsuka are up in the air as well. I'd hate for Sasuke to get the Rin'negan. I like Sasuke as a Pure Uchiha. I want him to show exactly what the Uchiha clan can offer, not become a clone of Madara.
I can't afford to see two users with doujutsu at the end of the manga. This could unbalance the yin and yang of the sons of the Sage.
 

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Good theory, I would like to add that Tobi said that even having only a piece of the Bijuu's chakra doesn't make it less potent. Also, the Sage was not born with Rinnegan, he awakened it just like Madara:

Viz:

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So why didn't Kaguya awaken the Rinnegan? what made her son special compared to her to awaken the said Doujutsu?

The differentiating factor between Hagoromo and Kaguya is that the former became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki while the latter did not, so it only stands to reason that the Sage awakened the Rinnegan when he became the Juubi's Jin.
So you agree with the part that states rikudou was born with kaguya's "god like power"? :p
 

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I can't afford to see two users with doujutsu at the end of the manga. This could unbalance the yin and yang of the sons of the Sage.

But they don't represent the sons... That was Madara and Hashirama.

How many times does Naruto have to be paralleled to Rikudou before people realize that the sons parallel is non-existent when talking about Naruto and Sasuke? Sasuke willingly accepted the words and will of Hashirama, a descendant of the Younger Son and his brothers will the same. Naruto is paralleled to the first Rin'negan user ever. Completely different Dojutsu, completely different motives (The protection of the Bijuu's = Rin'negan, the destruction of the Bijuu's = ESD as it is about power and radical change). This isn't a simple path to peace is love or power type ordeal. It is larger scale and the parallels are far different.
 
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