Alive Minato

[Gaara Of The Death]

Hashirama still decimates, Orochimaru > Minato

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Intel:Full

Restrictions:Kyuubi chakra, Edo tensei

Other scenario: Orochimaru can have one edo kage (not Hashirama), and Minato can have KCM.


This is actually a good match up I dunno who wins.​

 

[Joker]

Alive Minato doesn't posses KCM, but for the sake of your thread, i'll say he does.
Orochimaru takes this Medium difficulty by summoning Tobirama to get rid of the speed advantage, they collaborate by a series of quick attacks, and Kusanagi spams utilized by various snakes to wrap this up (snake pun).
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No for the original battle, Orochimaru takes it medium difficulty.

 

[Ababeel]

Minato is stronger than oro, that was clearly stated way back in part 1. Also, since he can have 1 edo (Tobi or Hiruzen?)
Minato still wins with KCM. Tobirama for once won't be able to use FTG if oro is controlling his as he stated earlier, so that
will make him pretty much useless. Hiruzen does not have all that great feats either.

Yes, both have elements jutsus, but KCM makes those pretty much useless.

 

[Joker]

Minato is stronger than oro, that was clearly stated way back in part 1. Also, since he can have 1 edo (Tobi or Hiruzen?)
Minato still wins with KCM. Tobirama for once won't be able to use FTG if oro is controlling his as he stated earlier, so that
will make him pretty much useless. Hiruzen does not have all that great feats either.

Yes, both have elements jutsus, but KCM makes those pretty much useless.

Scan, they only mentioned Minato being able to put up a stand against Orochimaru as far as i'm concerned. Not to mention they had little to NO knowledge on what Orochimaru was capable at that point in time. Considering Hiruzen didn't even know his student possessed the Kusanagi or that he knew Edo-Tensei, your point is moot.
Orochimaru will be able to use FT, it's just that Orochimaru was restricting his movements so he wouldn't be able to go anywhere during the Hokage's discussion with Sasuke.

 

[Avinash012]

Minato wins this mid dif.

 

[Joker]

Minato wins this mid dif.

Elaborate, i'd like to have a go at this.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

Elaborate, i'd like to have a go at this.

Ohh I'm going to get the popcorn.

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[Joker]

Ohh I'm going to get the popcorn.

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It won't be long, I don't play in Orochimaru debates.

 

[Nattana]

Scan, they only mentioned Minato being able to put up a stand against Orochimaru as far as i'm concerned. Not to mention they had little to NO knowledge on what Orochimaru was capable at that point in time. Considering Hiruzen didn't even know his student possessed the Kusanagi or that he knew Edo-Tensei, your point is moot.
Orochimaru will be able to use FT, it's just that Orochimaru was restricting his movements so he wouldn't be able to go anywhere during the Hokage's discussion with Sasuke.

Cannot rep u yet T_t

And lel at all the ppl bringing up that discussion between Anko and Hiruzen. The only thing they suggested was that Minato would be able to confront Orochimaru without Kusanagi, ET, immortality, 8branches and True Form.

 

[Avinash012]

Elaborate, i'd like to have a go at this.

I would actually like to hear how u think Orochimaru can hurt Minato.



OT:Forgot about S2, with EDO it is debatable.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

It won't be long, I don't play in Orochimaru debates.

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[Joker]

I would actually like to hear how u think Orochimaru can hurt Minato.



OT:Forgot about S2, with EDO it is debatable.

I'm just going to bring out a couple of techniques I would like to know how Minato deals with;
Eight-Branches
His true form
FPS (Five pronged seal, sealing the users chakra control completely to the point where they can't even stand on water. Which is a VERY BASIC shinobi skill)
CM
Sound Wave
Paralysis
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After your done with this, i'll provide counters for your counters. Leggo.

 

[Avinash012]

Eight-Branches

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His true form

First uses this:

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Then he turns him into ash with this:

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No toad Oil,he uses wind stream and fire stream.

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FPS (Five pronged seal, sealing the users chakra control completely to the point where they can't even stand on water. Which is a VERY BASIC shinobi skill)
CM
Sound Wave
Paralysis
After your done with this, i'll provide counters for your counters. Leggo.

First of all he needs to touch Minato/get enough time to pull any of them but sadly it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Joker]

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First uses this:

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Then he turns him into ash with this:

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No toad Oil,he uses wind stream and fire stream.

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First of all he needs to touch Minato/get enough time to pull any of them but sadly it ain't gonna happen.

Eight branches in the pinnacle of WSR, so it regenerates any damage done to it. Plus, it's stronger than Manda who shits on Boss summons for giggles.
True form regenerates, plus summoning Ma & Pa takes time in which he can't do with the Paralysis technique.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Minato wins. Uses FTG LV2 and reverse contract seal to free the edo hokage under Orochimaru's control. From that point on it's Minato vs Orochiamru. It's a definite stomp with KCM Minato. Considering he can make use of powerful chakra arms as well as enhanced ransengans.

 

[Nattana]

Wait. I just noticed that OP said alive Minato which means no Kyuubi and at the same time restricted Kurama's chakra AND allowed KCM usage. What the hell?

 

[Joker]

Minato wins. Uses FTG LV2 and reverse contract seal to free the edo hokage under Orochimaru's control. From that point on it's Minato vs Orochiamru. It's a definite stomp with KCM Minato. Considering he can make use of powerful chakra arms as well as enhanced ransengans.

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You're forgetting the paralysis technique, Orochimaru can freeze Minato in his tracks if he dares approach him, followed by Tobirama's suiton. In the first scenario, Orochimaru takes it medium difficulty for sure, we'll see about your arguments for the second one though.

 

[Avinash012]

Eight branches in the pinnacle of WSR, so it regenerates any damage done to it. Plus, it's stronger than Manda who shits on Boss summons for giggles.
True form regenerates, plus summoning Ma & Pa takes time in which he can't do with the Paralysis technique.

As far as I know no one ever said that it can regenerate but since it has something to with white snake and shit I'll go with ur point.Even if it can use regeneration it can't do that forever and since it is one of the strongest jutsu of Orochimaru the jutsu alone takes alot of his juice let alone the chakra it takes for regeneration.8 branches being stronger than Manda is irrelevant and here it can't do anything against any of my counters because it is slow as hell compared to Manda.With Senjutsu chakra Minato can summon them without any delay,even if need time Bunta is more than capable of holding his ground against 8 branches for a while.

You're forgetting the paralysis technique, Orochimaru can freeze Minato in his tracks if he dares approach him, followed by Tobirama's suiton. In the first scenario, Orochimaru takes it medium difficulty for sure, we'll see about your arguments for the second one though

I don't think that jutsu is effective against someone of Minato's caliber.

 

[Joker]

As far as I know no one ever said that it can regenerate but since it has something to with white snake and shit I'll go with ur point.Even if it can use regeneration it can't do that forever and since it is one of the strongest jutsu of Orochimaru the jutsu alone takes alot of his juice let alone the chakra it takes for regeneration.8 branches being stronger than Manda is irrelevant and here it can't do anything against any of my counters because it is slow as hell compared to Manda.With Senjutsu chakra Minato can summon them without any delay,even if need time Bunta is more than capable of holding his ground against 8 branches for a while.

Orochimaru has some of the largest chakra reserves in the manga considering he SPAMS summonings something that take alot of chakra. Added on to his current Senju bodied I would say it's doubled. Chakra is far from a problem. Eight-Branches being stronger is relevant, it was slow due to being attached to Sasuke, but I won't use that point. Even it is slower, you're still forgetting Orochimaru can pop out and use various jutsu to harm Minato. Bunta isn't going to hold up against EB due to it being Orochimaru in a big hydra form, Orochimaru can also use shadow clones to merge with the Gamabunta and sneak attack Minato while being untraced.

 

[Lucidus]

ive said this before that this battle can go either way.. its actually a hard one to predict..

the problem here is that both minato and orochimaru cant really harm each other..

orochimaru with oral rebirth and minato with his FTG

however oro can not use Oral rebirth forever.. however we have seen Minato spam his FTG to clear out battalions.. so its likely that orochimaru would exhaust his chakra first

Minato using a clone to distract whiles summoning ma and pa is a likely outcome.. i do not see any problems with minato being able to summon them..

Frog song is one of the strongest genjutsu's in the manga and as we have seen before Genjutsu can stop orochimaru where he stands


as for 8 branches.. sage mode which has been shown to launch large summons into the air with relative ease is one way to go..

However using his summons minato can restrain orochimaru's 8 branches technique and then use the four symbols seal which is used to seal away giant enemies .. and with orochimaru using the 8 branches technique he is just a larger target which is easier to hit