Russian forces in Ukraine, international tension sparkles

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The pot is boiling. Use of military force in Ukraine has been approved unanimously by Russian Federal Council...
This could escalate quickly, one incident is all it would take to start the war... And we all know U.S will not just stand by...


"We oppose decision to deploy Russian troops on Ukrainian soil against wishes of #Ukraine gov and condemn any act of aggression — William Hague (@WilliamJHague) March 1, 2014"


UN Security Council meets in emergency session-
The Security Council of the United Nations concerning Ukraine will start at 21:00.
This was announced on his Twitter page with the British Ambassador to the UN Mark Grant Liall.

"At the request of the British UN Security Council will meet for an emergency meeting for consultation today at 14:00 (21:00 Moscow time)" - written by Grant.

The meeting, to be held in New York, consider the situation in Ukraine.

No other details, he did not disclose.
 
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World War 3 will happen eventually. Humanity never learns...
 

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those guys look like spetsnaz imo. m05, ak74, no helmets and masks. kamaz trucks, bereska.
 

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Humanity all they do is butt in and fight each other over power....its in human nature to hate each other and destroy themselves.
 

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First thing that came to mind after reading the title.......

SPARKELERES!!!!

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It's not good at all. >____>
 

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[video=youtube;2TVyPiHVZ1A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A&feature=share[/video]

This looks pretty real to me
 

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[video=youtube;2TVyPiHVZ1A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A&feature=share[/video]

This looks pretty real to me

Mi-I7 hip, some mi24. Multi role utility helicopter, oftenly designated with transport of troops, supplies, vehicles. attack gunship in case of the mi24.
 

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Let's have a good war everyone, no nuclear weapons, and let's try to stay the Hell out of America land.
 

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They come
They show off
They leave.
Probably they are sending a message that they will do anything to support pro russians there.
 

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The historical record would suggest that Russians will become exceptionally unpopular in Ukraine and we'll see some upstart politician suggest an ethnic cleansing. Then the Russians will come in and start cleansing the Ukrainians.

Then the whole world will start trying to duke it out to protect the Ukraine that they will declare is too expensive to keep supporting a few years later. Then they will leave it a war-torn and broken nation that breeds another revolving door of dictators and cleansing rituals.

It'd be amusing if we learned our lesson and either stayed out of it or stuck with it once we start.
 

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People just cant learn to cut the bullshit and live in peace. Unity won't happen till aliens attack
 

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People just cant learn to cut the bullshit and live in peace. Unity won't happen till aliens attack

Aliens are attacking. They are attacking the Ukraine.

Six of one. Half dozen of the other.

Unity will not come from deflecting the predatory animal we are upon another entity, but from accepting who we are and training to manage the instincts of our bodies and biases of our brains. Unity comes through appreciation of our own individual rather than through pandering to the horde.
 

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War is just a distraction.

This will sound crazy, but I think it's just all a big game. Not for us, just the ones who give out our orders. Why can't the people all just throw down their arms and agree to stop fighting?!? I'm guessing the answer is religion, and money.
 

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War is just a distraction.

This will sound crazy, but I think it's just all a big game. Not for us, just the ones who give out our orders. Why can't the people all just throw down their arms and agree to stop fighting?!? I'm guessing the answer is religion, and money.

That is our spoiled view of the world, because we have nothing left to fight over but ideals (regarding who should and should not have money).

Russia is rapidly becoming another totalitarian state under Putin, who is also attempting to reclaim the old Russian empire.

Ukraine was supposed to be throwing its cards in with Western Europe and its ideals. The President, instead, went Pro-Russian and has been cozying up to Putin.

Which is why the people are pissed as hell. They don't want to go back under Russian rule and would like to be their own self-governing state.

I imagine many of the other states in the neighboring Balkan (Former Yugoslavia) regions feel the same way. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Ukraine finds itself with some strange allies against expanding Russian influence. Those who once attempted to cleanse each other from existence may soon be standing together to maintain the independence they at first sought from each other.

The more I look into this, the more interesting the possibilities become, particularly if the West takes an advisory role as opposed to an interventionist role. Those people over there could use the experience of our 13 colonies. They weren't ready for it under Tito - looking to dictators to solve their cultural problems. Perhaps they will find the answer in a no-holds-bar war against Russia for the right to retain such a simple thing as their identity.

I don't expect it will last forever, just as it has not in America.... but I'll throw my chips in with them.
 

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That is our spoiled view of the world, because we have nothing left to fight over but ideals (regarding who should and should not have money).

Russia is rapidly becoming another totalitarian state under Putin, who is also attempting to reclaim the old Russian empire.

Ukraine was supposed to be throwing its cards in with Western Europe and its ideals. The President, instead, went Pro-Russian and has been cozying up to Putin.

Which is why the people are pissed as hell. They don't want to go back under Russian rule and would like to be their own self-governing state.

I imagine many of the other states in the neighboring Balkan (Former Yugoslavia) regions feel the same way. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Ukraine finds itself with some strange allies against expanding Russian influence. Those who once attempted to cleanse each other from existence may soon be standing together to maintain the independence they at first sought from each other.

The more I look into this, the more interesting the possibilities become, particularly if the West takes an advisory role as opposed to an interventionist role. Those people over there could use the experience of our 13 colonies. They weren't ready for it under Tito - looking to dictators to solve their cultural problems. Perhaps they will find the answer in a no-holds-bar war against Russia for the right to retain such a simple thing as their identity.

I don't expect it will last forever, just as it has not in America.... but I'll throw my chips in with them.

The real question is, what is Putin up to? Why suddenly make gays a target after Snowden took refuge there. Then start trouble with Ukraine. It seems like he is trying very hard to cover something up. That or he has a plan, and he's just starting it. I don't think Putin would make his country more hostile, unless he had a good reason. Then again, I don't really know that much about Russian culture.
 

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The real question is, what is Putin up to? Why suddenly make gays a target after Snowden took refuge there.

He made gays a target because homosexual rights are a big thing in America.

The Soviet empire was brought down by rights movements. People grew tired of the blatant corruption that existed under the totalitarian Marxist doctrine. They grew tired of the distrust of each other and the contempt they had for those around them (the bottom line of communism is "why work harder than the other guy?")

The people realized that things needed to change, and the rights movements and protests eventually brought it down (particularly when combined with a 'weaker' soviet premier who did not desire to launch endless military campaigns into lesser states to try and maintain the death-grip on control).

Then start trouble with Ukraine.

Putin didn't really start anything, there.

Many of those regions have some split loyalties between Western and Russian influence. Keep in mind that the Balkans has been something of an endless battleground for the past 200 years, or so. The Ottoman empire, French Empire, British Empire, Russian Empire, Muslim Empire - all of it has been clashing around that region that no one seems to be able to define as European, Mediterranean, Asian, or what the hell.

To make matters worse, the general population has largely been somewhat on the poor side - being farmers, mostly. When the larger powers weren't causing problems, 'corporate' conglomerates would arise and tax the population into supporting warlords commanding peasant uprisings.

They've always been struggling for some kind of identity. Probably why they damn near kill each other over adding or changing a letter to their alphabet - where many of those nations have two alphabets - a cyrillic (russian) derived alphabet and a roman/latin-based alphabet.

Now that Russia is a growing influence again, it would only make sense that the region begin brokering their allegiances between Eastern and Western influences. Tensions were bound to flare up, and Putin is just backing his horse.

It seems like he is trying very hard to cover something up. That or he has a plan, and he's just starting it. I don't think Putin would make his country more hostile, unless he had a good reason. Then again, I don't really know that much about Russian culture.

Putin is a very shrewd individual. I'd trust him to get things done.

Unfortunately - he and I disagree on what needs to be done, and he's the type to kill people over such differences of opinion (by throwing them out the top of office buildings).

Russian society is in a bit of a vulnerable state, right now. On one hand - they enjoy the new found freedoms they gained through the collapse of communism. On the other hand - Russia is far from the great power it once was, and there is a lot of nationalist pride in Russia.

Putin is aiming to capitalize upon that. He wants to inspire a sense of a coming era of Russian greatness and to convince people that he is the one to lead them to it.

Of course - a lot of that expansion will come at the end of a gun barrel - but Putin only needs to capitalize upon the turbulence that an expanding Russian sphere will create in the neighboring lands. By playing the 'other side' as radicals, extremists, and as a threat to Russian citizens - he can gain enough support to launch military campaigns into portions of the former Soviet empire to bring them back under his influence and control.

He doesn't really need to do much. Many of those regions will divide themselves and start squabbling over whether they should or should not remain independent (many simply because they don't want tanks rolling through their streets in protest to their voting results).

America's recent announcement that we're going to be trying to slash our military in half only helps Putin's agenda. Our current administration has no ****ing clue what it is doing, and they are going to get a lot of people killed with their ignorance.
 
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