valandil988
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Power does not equal Skill.
While Hagoromo has immense power being the Jin of the complete Juubi with both Rinnegan I do not believe him to be a great warrior.
Defeating Hell (Fat type) Juubi or maybe Asura (thin type) Juubi is indeed a great feat. However Did we not see the Juubi suppressed and controlled EFFORTLESSLY by the likes of Madara and even Obito. This is indicative of the superior skills of Madara and perhaps even Obito compared to the Sage who had to design and figure out ways and means to defeat this creature from scratch. He did not have a thousand years of experience behind him. Hence while being a veritable genius among men I have my doubts about him being a great warrior.
Remember the Sage grew up in a time of veritable peace through power, his own mother the one to enforce this. Do you believe she would let her son fight ANY battle or war before he was even 12 or 15?? No he grew up in a peaceful world in all likelihood. No real mother would allow it if she had a choice.
Madara on the other hand has been bred to be a warrior, grew up in an age where chakra is refined into a killing tool. Where many people had come before to create and refine chakra techniques designed to maximize killing potential. He grew up fighting in the clan wars from very early on. He has gained experience through a lifetime of war where he was NOT always the superior fighter. Madara was not always capable of over powering his opponents.
The Sage however COULD after he gained the juubi chakra. Even before that he likely had the Rinnegan an extremely powerful weapon which seems to be mostly instinctual in its use. Overall the Sage has likely NEVER met his match or fought a battle that wasn't already decided in his favor due to his immense chakra. No others had chakra so who would he fight to gain experience, his mother who had the same problem?
Ergo by this analysis:
The sage was a pseudo "scientist" a thinker. Not a warrior, yes he could fashion great feats of Chakra like creating the moon, but this is not a battle feat. He likely knows more secrets about Chakra than even Madara understands, he likely knows what the juubi is unlike Madara. However the very nature of WHO the sage is counters the possibility of him being a warrior of Madara's standing. Its simply not possible.
Madara however is a philosophical warrior plain and simple. He has clawed his way up the scale, even with the sharingan he has ALWAYS been challenged to surpass his own limits. The battle skills and knowledge he has gained in these areas FAR outstrip the sages own limited experiences in these areas.
Conclusion:
In a match up between the two I believe even in Madara's incomplete state he would win by being the superior warrior compared to Hagoromo who likely had minimal experience in warfare and fighting, IE a greater grasp of chakra does not mean he is a better fighter.
While Hagoromo has immense power being the Jin of the complete Juubi with both Rinnegan I do not believe him to be a great warrior.
Defeating Hell (Fat type) Juubi or maybe Asura (thin type) Juubi is indeed a great feat. However Did we not see the Juubi suppressed and controlled EFFORTLESSLY by the likes of Madara and even Obito. This is indicative of the superior skills of Madara and perhaps even Obito compared to the Sage who had to design and figure out ways and means to defeat this creature from scratch. He did not have a thousand years of experience behind him. Hence while being a veritable genius among men I have my doubts about him being a great warrior.
Remember the Sage grew up in a time of veritable peace through power, his own mother the one to enforce this. Do you believe she would let her son fight ANY battle or war before he was even 12 or 15?? No he grew up in a peaceful world in all likelihood. No real mother would allow it if she had a choice.
Madara on the other hand has been bred to be a warrior, grew up in an age where chakra is refined into a killing tool. Where many people had come before to create and refine chakra techniques designed to maximize killing potential. He grew up fighting in the clan wars from very early on. He has gained experience through a lifetime of war where he was NOT always the superior fighter. Madara was not always capable of over powering his opponents.
The Sage however COULD after he gained the juubi chakra. Even before that he likely had the Rinnegan an extremely powerful weapon which seems to be mostly instinctual in its use. Overall the Sage has likely NEVER met his match or fought a battle that wasn't already decided in his favor due to his immense chakra. No others had chakra so who would he fight to gain experience, his mother who had the same problem?
Ergo by this analysis:
The sage was a pseudo "scientist" a thinker. Not a warrior, yes he could fashion great feats of Chakra like creating the moon, but this is not a battle feat. He likely knows more secrets about Chakra than even Madara understands, he likely knows what the juubi is unlike Madara. However the very nature of WHO the sage is counters the possibility of him being a warrior of Madara's standing. Its simply not possible.
Madara however is a philosophical warrior plain and simple. He has clawed his way up the scale, even with the sharingan he has ALWAYS been challenged to surpass his own limits. The battle skills and knowledge he has gained in these areas FAR outstrip the sages own limited experiences in these areas.
Conclusion:
In a match up between the two I believe even in Madara's incomplete state he would win by being the superior warrior compared to Hagoromo who likely had minimal experience in warfare and fighting, IE a greater grasp of chakra does not mean he is a better fighter.
