Possibilities of even greater powerups for naruto.

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This thread briefly follows the idea that Naruto's going to get Obito's right kamui along with a brief explanation on why it would be possible for him to become juubi jin without the masu. If you've thought of this, or already know this, or you've made a thread on it, you don't necessarily need to read this. Send me over a link to your thread though.

This thread is theory and personal opinion. I am not kishimoto, I don't know kishimoto, and I'm not omnipotent. Don't respond with retarded comments. There's obviously no basis for half of the things said in here.

warning: this is 1000 words long.



Now, By this point, Everyone already knows naruto's going to be Juubi Jin by next two chapters. It's not even foreshadowed at this point, it's just blatantly obvious. To put it shortly, Naruto has;


  1. Chakra from
  2. Has chakra from
  3. Obito's giving him chakra from
  4. And, Finally, Unless you believe it was 'just a coincidence' he happened to target only those 2, Obito's also giving him .
In short, Naruto's going to have chakra from beasts 1 through 8. Chakra from Yin-Yang kurama(beast 9) and he's going to have SM. By that point, He'd be near equal footing with madara (Juubi(check end spoiler for explanation) + sm VS juub i+ sm + dojutsu).

That's one power. Let's get to the other possible one.


First and foremost, I will list two possibilities, for the story's progression, and expand on why , I believe, these are the most logical.
  1. Obito gives naruto his Kamui. Possibly, the rinnegan eye, also(less likely)
  2. Madara gets obito's right eye
Naruto getting obito's eye

This isn't necessarily going to happen; however, it's not impossible. The first thing we must note, with this theory, is that Naruto and sakura are in the kamui dimension. Instantly, the first thought that should pop into your mind is "well, shit, how the **** are they getting out of there"?

Firstly, I'd like to throw the concept of "Kakashi retrieving them" right out the window. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's a full on asspull if this happens(but, let's be honest, it's not outside kishi's realm of thinking).

Kakashi, along with the rest of SA has lost their entire . That means, kakashi should be running completely on 'stock' reserves right now. We've seen previously that, by warping even a single individual, kakashi reaches the brink of . To pop into kamui dimension, Grab naruto and sakura, and pop the 3 of them out is by far too much of a task for his displayed reserves. This would be idiotic and a lame outcome. No, let's do better!

By this point, you should see where I'm going with this. That's right, I think obito's going to give naruto his right, kamui, eye.

Let's backtrack here for a minute and take some time to realise that black zetsu is still attached to obito. While, obito's actively giving away the only thing that allowed him to gain some sort of resistance against black zetsu. [ ]. What do you think black zetsu's going to do once obito no longer has yin kurama, and therefore can't fight back? Zetsu's going to . Do we realllyyyy believe that madara's will is going to sit back and watch naruto heal up with the yin chakra he needs? Hell no! Black zetsu would take that shit right back and kill both of those guys. At best, he'd kamui them right into madara's hands where they're as good as dead.
No. There needs to be a better, more secure solution to giving naruto the yin kurama and keeping him safe from zetsu. That way is to get Rin-- sorry, sakura :)heh:) to transplant his eye into naruto. This way, naruto gets his yin chakra, Naruto and sakura can get out of kamui dimension(in a logical way) and black zetsu's basically out of the picture forever. Oh, and ontop of that, it parallels - obito could basically repeat the exact same page word for word, but replacing names, in this situation Lol. We know how much kishi loves parallels.

Finally, what makes this the best solution for me is that obito knows how much of a god damn pain black zetsu is. [ ][ ]. Obito knows that the best thing for everyone would be to get rid of him and, the best way to do that would be to trap him in lalaland.

Side note: It's at this point, of right eye transfer, that obito could also transfer over his rinnegan to naruto. However, though that's a 'solution' I believe he may destroy the eye instead. Ultimately, that would be the best solution as madara would have absolutely 0 ways of getting his other rinnegan eye...

... Oh, wait, did I say zero? I meant, until Sasuke shows up with double rinnegan in his sockets Lol
It's also possible that zetsu would refuse them touching that rinnegan(since it's within his half of the body) so naruto and sakura just warp out of there and leave him to his void universe.


In the case of point 2. It's simply a matter of;
  • obito transfers chakra to naruto
  • zetsu gains control
  • Zetsu tries to reclaim chakra but sakura's like "no, no, screw you" and fends him off while naruto's recovering OR naruto basically wakes up instantly and makes it impossible for zetsu to even fight him.
  • Zetsu Kamui's away with obito's lifeless body
  • Zetsu hands over the rinnegan to madara
  • Kakashi(asspull kishi time) retrieves naruto and sakura from kamui dimension
What I don't like about this second solution is that it entails an asspull, black zetsu still being around to cause a hellova lot of frustration and naruto is going to get hella raped by madara. The second naruto steps onto that battlefield, madara's going to RoflStomp him and yank yin kurama right back out of him. Against Madara just having [Juubi with yin kurama + sm] isn't going to cut it as madara has far better base stats, SM, Juubi, and a dojutsu granting him a shitload of hax.
I guess, At the end of the day, this would just leave room for sasuke to come back into the picture and help naruto out.


How naruto possible becomes juubi Jin/9 beast Jin
Some people may be skeptical as to how naruto will become the juubi jin. That's understandable seeing as he doesn't have the mazo in him(juubi's shell) however, that doesn't necessarily mean he can't become the juubi's jin. Without the 9 beasts, masu is just a useless empty shell that requires someone's chakra to even function.

Theoretically speaking, it's possible to bypass the mazo all together(which is needed to summon juubi and seal it in yourself) and become the juubi's jin.

How? Well simple; Naruto already has all the 9 chakra which make up the juubi. The real purpose of the masu is to act as a body of a new beast created entirely from the chakra of 9 other's. By creating this new beast, the sealer is able to seal 1 entity into their body instead of needing to seal 9 separate ones(if that's even possible) or yanking/receiving chakra from the 9 individual beasts.
Don't get me wrong, It's entirely possible that naruto will have a severely watered down version of the juubi due to only possessing pieces of chakra, from each beast, instead of the entire beast. However, It isn't outside the realm of possibility that sealing the 9 beasts, in yourself, instead of sealing the maso containing them, will give an even greater boost. This is possible due to the fact that the masu, as a different entity, has a different mindset than the other bijuu. In that, the masu(juubi) creates resistance and, like all the other beasts, tries to fight being sealed. This 'resistance' is increased hundreds of folds for the exponential power increase received. For naruto, to seal the juubi in himself would result in a similar issue to what juubito experienced. However, by sealing the 9 individual beasts, and bypassing the masu, naruto only has to account for the summation of the resistance of the 9 individual beasts. Not only is that resistance spread out but, by this point, there's none. Naruto's friends with all those beasts; They'd all be in unanimous agreement to partner up with him.
Essentially, This method replaces the masu with the body of the sealer. In effect, the sealer himself is potentially the juubi.

Why didn't madara take this approach? Well;
1) It's probably impossible to seal 9 different beasts in yourself
2) It's actually harder to account for 9 different sets of resistance -- which all fight back at different times, with different strengths. It would be like trying to look in 9 different directions at the exact same time. It would be far easier to fight of just one incredibly strong force*. This point is the reason this method would work beautifully for naruto as there'd be not a shred of resistance.
*e.g: It's the difference between madara getting pumelled by the 9 beasts, and the hokage making juubi their b**ch.

tl;dr; By cutting out the middleman(maso) it's theoretically possible to get a bigger power bump. Infact, by cutting out the middleman, Naruto would face 0 resistance(provided by the masu) -- possibly acting as the maso himself -- as the 9 beasts are all in agreement that naruto is...
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You make so pretty solid points in case 1 which i prefer over case 2 which features Kakashi asspulling not one but two more kamui travels with passengers this time the use of obito's eye to travel makes more sense.
 

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I can't see the main character losing a eye it's just me. Naruto will not get the sharingan nor the Rinnegan, those are upgrades That Sasuke should get an him only. Kakashi only has to make it to Kamui land. Then Naruto can lend him chakra so he could teleport the 3 out of there
 

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nahh::: don't like the idea of Naruto getting sharingan !!! it would destroy the manga if 2superheroes have Sharingan...

but as for Naruto getting 1-8 biju chakra ,I approve with u .. I hope it does .
 

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Hey u stole my idea >:C . jk nice thread :p
Don't forget that the gedo mazo arm is in the kamui dimension.
I doubt they'll find that XD. Didn't seem to be anywhere around maybe obito knows where it is :p

I was wondering what if Naruto gets black zetsu also?
that's unlikely as hell lmao. Zetsu would resist :p

I can't see the main character losing a eye it's just me. Naruto will not get the sharingan nor the Rinnegan, those are upgrades That Sasuke should get an him only. Kakashi only has to make it to Kamui land. Then Naruto can lend him chakra so he could teleport the 3 out of there
Why would naruto lose an eye? He's just replacing it.

@bold: That's also possible. But, kakashi's already warped 2 people with kamui. Warping himself is still an asspull imo. This is after he's warped gedo arm and all sorts of shit. The guy's chakra increased exponentially over night... literally, yesterday(NV time) he could only pop 1 'big' kamui, today he's popping nonstop?

nahh::: don't like the idea of Naruto getting sharingan !!! it would destroy the manga if 2superheroes have Sharingan...

but as for Naruto getting 1-8 biju chakra ,I approve with u .. I hope it does .
Honestly, It's within the realm of the manga for naruto to get the rinnegan(which evolves from sharingan)... Naruto's foreshadowed to be the sage reincarnate, who had rinnegan. Sasuke's not foreshadowed to be shit at this moment. It's pure fanfiction(that I also induldge in) that sasuke get a rinnegan.

Naruto getting 1 sharingan and 1 rinnegan already nearly completes his foreshadow. The logical progression of MS to rinnegan would eventually complete the entire cycle and leave him with dual rinnegan.
 
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Good theory. But I still think kishi is saving the other eye for kakashi. Either with the theory with the link above or this one.
madara needs to go to the kamui dimension to get bis rinnegan. He will probably go for kakashis eye or take him hostage to avoid 8th gate Gai. Then he will go to the other dimension to retrive his rinnegan. Obito gets his eye back when madara takes his right eye back. Basiclly an eye for an eye. Madara gets a power up. Naruto awakens and request them to leave as he fights madara alone in the realm. Obito takes both eyes and goes back to the field. He sees that kakashi is injured. So he does one last thing for his friend. I can see Kakashi getting both sharingan and being able to handle them, if they turn into ems. As we seen Obito can suck chakra maybe he can give it too or maybe he will give kakashi life force then die.
 

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Good read. You are right about the possibility of black zetsu attacking them but Naruto ending up with kamui I just can't see. Maybe they will get black zetsu off of him. Or black zetsu does teleport them back except they land a bit away from Madara.

As for the other thing I agree to the fact that Naruto got the chakra pieces from the bijuu of their free will and it's not forcing them per say so the possibility of him going around the gedo shell is likely, there is indeed a reason he managed to pull those two specific chakras from Madara.

Also totally out of the way kakashi did kamui a piece of the gedo statue and it is i nthe kamui dimension.
 

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I'm hoping that he doesn't get kamui. That's just not.... Naruto like. If there's any space-time jutsu that Naruto would get, it'd be FTG, but obviously not in this arc.
 

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I doubt they'll find that XD. Didn't seem to be anywhere around maybe obito knows where it is :p


that's unlikely as hell lmao. Zetsu would resist :p


Why would naruto lose an eye? He's just replacing it.

@bold: That's also possible. But, kakashi's already warped 2 people with kamui. Warping himself is still an asspull imo. This is after he's warped gedo arm and all sorts of shit. The guy's chakra increased exponentially over night... literally, yesterday(NV time) he could only pop 1 'big' kamui, today he's popping nonstop?



Honestly, It's within the realm of the manga for naruto to get the rinnegan(which evolves from sharingan)... Naruto's foreshadowed to be the sage reincarnate, who had rinnegan. Sasuke's not foreshadowed to be shit at this moment. It's pure fanfiction(that I also induldge in) that sasuke get a rinnegan.

Naruto getting 1 sharingan and 1 rinnegan already nearly completes his foreshadow. The logical progression of MS to rinnegan would eventually complete the entire cycle and leave him with dual rinnegan.
they'll seal the gedo mazo's arm into naruto's ass
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@Bold, sir you'll need an ems for that.
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Good theory. But I still think kishi is saving the other eye for kakashi. Either with the theory with the link above or this one.
madara needs to go to the kamui dimension to get bis rinnegan. He will probably go for kakashis eye or take him hostage to avoid 8th gate Gai. Then he will go to the other dimension to retrive his rinnegan. Obito gets his eye back when madara takes his right eye back. Basiclly an eye for an eye. Madara gets a power up. Naruto awakens and request them to leave as he fights madara alone in the realm. Obito takes both eyes and goes back to the field. He sees that kakashi is injured. So he does one last thing for his friend. I can see Kakashi getting both sharingan and being able to handle them, if they turn into ems. As we seen Obito can suck chakra maybe he can give it too or maybe he will give kakashi life force then die.
I was also thinking kakashi would get the eye. I just really don't like the idea that kakashi's kamui'ing all over the place now in a matter of hours... especially not forgetting the fact that kakashi's supposed to be under increased strain from using a sharingan as a non-uchiha(which has been retconned thus far) :|

Though, I doubt obito can get his eye back from madara. Madara would most likely just crush it lol.

Good read. You are right about the possibility of black zetsu attacking them but Naruto ending up with kamui I just can't see. Maybe they will get black zetsu off of him. Or black zetsu does teleport them back except they land a bit away from Madara.

As for the other thing I agree to the fact that Naruto got the chakra pieces from the bijuu of their free will and it's not forcing them per say so the possibility of him going around the gedo shell is likely, there is indeed a reason he managed to pull those two specific chakras from Madara.

Also totally out of the way kakashi did kamui a piece of the gedo statue and it is i nthe kamui dimension.
Another possibility. The thing i have with these outcomes, of them being brought back to the field, is that madara will literally troll rape naruto. The reason i'm giving naruto kamui, if only temporarily, is because of intangibility. It was literally the only thing that saved obito in these recent chapters. Even if guy pops 8th gate, he'd only be able to hold of madara for a few seconds, if he could even hold of madara... In fact, madara should still have his mokuton bushin, limbo and a hell of a lot of techs. I'm just not seeing naruto surviving over a minute with just pieces of chakra especially seeing how embarrassingly easily madara's taken out everyone including obito.

I'm hoping that he doesn't get kamui. That's just not.... Naruto like. If there's any space-time jutsu that Naruto would get, it'd be FTG, but obviously not in this arc.
Can't say i disagree with you.
 
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Another possibility. The thing i have with these outcomes, of them being brought back to the field, is that madara will literally troll rape naruto. The reason i'm giving naruto kamui, if only temporarily, is because of intangibility. It was literally the only thing that saved obito in these recent chapters. Even if guy pops 8th gate, he'd only be able to hold of madara for a few seconds, if he could even hold of madara... In fact, madara should still have his mokuton bushin, limbo and a hell of a lot of techs. I'm just not seeing naruto surviving over a minute with just pieces of chakra especially seeing how embarrassingly easily madara's taken out everyone including obito.
True, he would get destroyed. Maybe next week we will get a flash over to sasuke and how he is doing, and then he might be off to Madara to help. Also does the fact we saw hachibi in Madara mean bee got off paneled without mention?

Something will work itself out, still curious as to how the sage tools will come into play. Also I think 8 gates guy just because of the hype should last more than a few minutes especially if hes going to die.
 

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I was also thinking kakashi would get the eye. I just really don't like the idea that kakashi's kamui'ing all over the place now in a matter of hours... especially not forgetting the fact that kakashi's supposed to be under increased strain from using a sharingan as a non-uchiha(which has been retconned thus far) :|

Though, I doubt obito can get his eye back from madara. Madara would most likely just crush it lol.


Another possibility. The thing i have with these outcomes, of them being brought back to the field, is that madara will literally troll rape naruto. The reason i'm giving naruto kamui, if only temporarily, is because of intangibility. It was literally the only thing that saved obito in these recent chapters. Even if guy pops 8th gate, he'd only be able to hold of madara for a few seconds, if he could even hold of madara... In fact, madara should still have his mokuton bushin, limbo and a hell of a lot of techs. I'm just not seeing naruto surviving over a minute with just pieces of chakra especially seeing how embarrassingly easily madara's taken out everyone including obito.


Can't say i disagree with you.
True but in his haste he could neglect to destroy it. Or obito gets it when he goes for the right rinnegan.
 

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they'll seal the gedo mazo's arm into naruto's ass
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@Bold, sir you'll need an ems for that.
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1) That wasn't confirmed.
2) That wasn't confirmed.
3) EMS is just an MS that never loses it's light. Pretty much exactly like obito's MS which doesn't lost it's light.

Oh, i also forgot, that was never confirmed.

True, he would get destroyed. Maybe next week we will get a flash over to sasuke and how he is doing, and then he might be off to Madara to help. Also does the fact we saw hachibi in Madara mean bee got off paneled without mention?

Something will work itself out, still curious as to how the sage tools will come into play. Also I think 8 gates guy just because of the hype should last more than a few minutes especially if hes going to die.
It's still possible that bee's alive. when bee cut off his tentacle, he was most likely just trying to save himself. He couldn't repeat what he did on sasuke, since hachibi chakra was locked to masu, so best he could do was escape with some chakra. He's either dead or very drained.

Sasuke's really the only way naruto lasts more than 5 seconds. And that's only if he comes in with rinnegan and working knowledge on path techniques(something obito had to be taught making it unlikely).

Gates are meant as very powerful, high speed, short burst attacks. It's like when lee used it on gaara, He pummeled the guy like hell, but only a few seconds passed by. Same thing with morning peacock, Daytime tiger, etc. It's just a very short burst of insane power. Unlikely it lasts any longer than the others, because of the insane speed.

True but in his haste he could neglect to destroy it. Or obito gets it when he goes for the right rinnegan.
That might be possible but it's messy especially considering madara can restrain him(like sasuke), impale him with rods(immobile lik etobirama), limbo him, create mokuton bushin to do the dirty work for him, etc. It's not impossible for obito to get the eye, but it seems messy that a god would slack off like that... especially after seeing how dangerous both kamui are(able to evade him).
 
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