Naruto compared to Madara

[Kiro man]

Lord Madara's way of peace is the most realistic and effective. Yes force must be used but honestly thanks to the ignorance of the 5kages more than 60,000 shinobis have died. Even if they were to defeat Lord Madara and achieve this so called "peace" how long would it last? As long as theres happiness there will always be hatred. One must suffer in order for the one to be happy, its just the way it works.

Yes.Madara wants to make sure in his world he'll erase all the hatred.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

"-He's trying to bring peace to everyone's heart,living or death.The only way for it is by force,since there is too much people opposing him.Remember that he also wants peace and a happy world like Naruto.He wants his family back,his friends back,and everyone that fought for this world and died."

Madara specifically said when he faced Tobirama that this isn't about Izuna, Madara passed that point a LONG time ago (only committed to his plan) and it doesn't matter to him if gets his family back or not.

"Knowledge means power.That's why nobody understands Madara's actions.He knows too much about the corrupted shinoby system and tries to do something for it.Only the Uchihas understood him after he disappeared,and were preparing for the revolution."

the Uchiha's simply wanted to rule/overthrown the Leaf and take over, it was going to be a bigger massacre is they succeeded and their goal was to make THEMSELVES in a position of power and no one else, they only thought of what's in their best interest and when Madara wasn't doing what's good for them/was gonna get them in trouble they turned their backs on him.

Madara might not be evil (no one is really evil in this series except for maybe Oro) but, there's no excuse for forcing what you think is the solution on the whole world.

 

[itachi4real]

i will oppose you but you know that itachi was the one who guided naruto towards this path (bond of friendship)

Nope. Itachi only said u need ur comrades. Well yea in a way itachi did cus naruto literally wants peopple to feel each others pain. But like i said plenty times, The only way for people to unerstand others pain u need go through the exact same situation. For example, naruto will never truly understand sasukes pain. He would if naruto had a brother( that he loved deeply) that killed his parents and clan. Then had his brother torture him. Then had to fight his brother just to find out he only did it cus the village ordered him to. Also, feel his brothers pain. Naruto says he understands his pain but he truly doesnt. Narutos situation is he lost his parents and nobody liked him. Two totally diff situations. Ya feel me. Naruto wont understand itachi, madaras, nagato, or kakashis pain. He wont. Its impossible.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

You totally ignored the latest chapter. Madara said that the sage wanted to make people "connected" to each other and understand each other without even speaking, when he shared his chakra with them.

That's what happened with Naruto and Hashirama when the whole alliance saw scenes from their lives and their emotions got through to them. That's what the sage wanted and that's how people can understand each other, by being "connected". That's proof enough that the method works. Naruto even got through to Obito.

I don't see how it's not possible to understand each other with the sage's way.

EDIT: This is for the above post. Couldn't quote you for some reason...

 

[Kiro man]

You totally ignored the latest chapter. Madara said that the sage wanted to make people "connected" to each other and understand each other without even speaking, when he shared his chakra with them.

That's what happened with Naruto and Hashirama when the whole alliance saw scenes from their lives and their emotions got through to them. That's what the sage wanted and that's how people can understand each other, by being "connected". That's proof enough that the method works. Naruto even got through to Obito.

I don't see how it's not possible to understand each other with the sage's way.

Do you think that some flashbacks of Naruto's sad past means they can understand each other?Also I said it's not that easy,not that it's impossible.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

You totally ignored the latest chapter. Madara said that the sage wanted to make people "connected" to each other and understand each other without even speaking, when he shared his chakra with them.

That's what happened with Naruto and Hashirama when the whole alliance saw scenes from their lives and their emotions got through to them. That's what the sage wanted and that's how people can understand each other, by being "connected". That's proof enough that the method works. Naruto even got through to Obito.

I don't see how it's not possible to understand each other with the sage's way.

Because just like it explained it in the latest chapter not everyone is gonna understand through the sages way. What ended up happening is people became corrupt through hatred and pain. Everyone to be in peace is impossible because without hatred there's no peace. But the infinite Tsukyomi can fix that.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Do you think that some flashbacks of Naruto's sad past means they can understand each other?Also I said it's not that easy,not that it's impossible.

You really are an idiot are you. If people saw your past and how you grew up, they will know what kind of person you are and understand you better. Plus it isn't just flashbacks, emotions are also felt.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

You really are an idiot are you. If people saw your past and how you grew up, they will know what kind of person you are and understand you better. Plus it isn't just flashbacks, emotions are also felt.

Please refrain from insulting other members. They will understand you "Better" not completely and even so if you do understand them "better" thats only a small portion of what you really do understand unless you went through the exact same thing.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Because just like it explained it in the latest chapter not everyone is gonna understand through the sages way. What ended up happening is people became corrupt through hatred and pain. Everyone to be in peace is impossible because without hatred there's no peace. But the infinite Tsukyomi can fix that.

The bolded part doesn't even make sense. Hatred is the main cause of conflict and war.

The sage failed because the people gave in to their hatred. They were in a state of war, so they didn't want to understand each other. This time it's different because the shinobi are united. The Kage want to get rid of the hatred too, that's why that method will work this time.

All the infinite Tsukyomi will do is create a false reality wher Madara will rule over everything. That's not even peace, they will live under Madara's rule.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Please refrain from insulting other members. They will understand you "Better" not completely and even so if you do understand them "better" thats only a small portion of what you really do understand unless you went through the exact same thing.

Yeah, sorry Kiro man.

You don't know the benefits of the sage's idea. It could stop most of the conflicts. The main reason the Kage in the past did what they did was because they didn't trust each other.

With the sage's way, they can learn to trust each other because as I've seen it, you can't lie to someone once they connect with you.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

The bolded part doesn't even make sense. Hatred is the main cause of conflict and war.

The sage failed because the people gave in to their hatred. They were in a state of war, so they didn't want to understand each other. This time it's different because the shinobi are united. The Kage want to get rid of the hatred too, that's why that method will work this time.

All the infinite Tsukyomi will do is create a false reality wher Madara will rule over everything. That's not even peace, they will live under Madara's rule.

Yes it does make sense. For example: Without light there is no darkness, without sadness there is no happiness.
Ambitions for peace also causes conflicts and war (this is seen right now in our world).
Yes Lord Madara will be the ruler but thats okay, because in everyone else's mind their in their own world doing whatever makes them happy while not affecting other people.
Lord Madara's way isn't perfect but it's the most effective.
When your older you will understand.

 

[Kiro man]

Yeah, sorry Kiro man.

You don't know the benefits of the sage's idea. It could stop most of the conflicts. The main reason the Kage in the past did what they did was because they didn't trust each other.

With the sage's way, they can learn to trust each other because as I've seen it, you can't lie to someone once they connect with you.

Please there will always be those who cannot get along with others.Sage's way isn't the solution for everyone.

Also the other thing with the flashbacks it was a moment of silence to respect Naruto.No need for you to go full narutard

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Yes it does make sense. For example: Without light there is no darkness, without sadness there is no happiness.
Ambitions for peace also causes conflicts and war (this is seen right now in our world).
Yes Lord Madara will be the ruler but thats okay, because in everyone else's mind their in their own world doing whatever makes them happy while not affecting other people.
Lord Madara's way isn't perfect but it's the most effective.
When your older you will understand.

I'm 22 -_-

Madara creates the dream world. Who says that each person will be in their own world? Madara is the creator and he is the one that decides what is what.

I know about the toaist believe, yin and yang and I know what you mean, but the way you said it sounded weird. You can't have hatred if you want peace. Hatred is what causes conflict and conflict is what causes wars.

I know that not everything is perfect and you can't have true peace and that their will still be some conflict in the world, but hatred is the main thing that needs to dissapear in order to live peacefully and that's why people need to understand each other.

Also it's not that Naruto doesn't understand Sasuke, it's Sasuke that doesn't want to understand Naruto, that's why he can't get through to Sasuke. Sasuke stays ignorant because he let hatred take over him. Naruto didn't understand him in part 1, but understood him in part 2, because he learned about Sasuke's past.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Please there will always be those who cannot get along with others.Sage's way isn't the solution for everyone.

Also the other thing with the flashbacks it was a moment of silence to respect Naruto.No need for you to go full narutard

What the hell are you talking about? The flashbacks were shown to everyone because they were "connected" by the kyuubi chakra and Ino's jutsu. Naruto was thinking back on his failures and how he didn't want to regret anything, when they saw it they understood why Naruto were trying so hard and it gave them the will to fight on.