Between Minato and Madara, BM + SM or Rikudou Mode, which is unfair?

[MrSimple]

Recently a lot people are unhappy to see that Madara have become even stronger than Juubito in no time, could we blame him for that?​

Uchiha Madara,
Bloodline- Uchiha,- checked.
Best Uchiha in the History- checked.
Second strongest shinobi in the History- checked.
His Sharringan was revealed- checked.
Fire Element- checked.
Been awakening the MS by killing a friend- checked.
EMS for the first time in the History- checked.
Common sense for the large scale Susano’o- missing...
Taming Kyuubi- checked.
Given Senju’s DNA- checked.
Given Mokuton- checked.
The Dark and the Light jutsu- checked.
Deciper the Stone- checked.
Ancient time knowledge- checked.
Edo Tensei’s weak point knowledge- missing...
The Uchiha’s fan weapon backstory- missing...
Awakening the Rinnegen- checked.
Gedou Mazou upcoming- checked.
Six Paths's power (Meteor)- checked.
Seven Path- checked.
Sage Mode- checked.
Susano'o without eyes- missing...
Defying all Beasts at once- checked.
Transplanting an eye in no time, explanation- missing...
1 eyed jutsu > Almight Push- missing...
Stronger than Juubito- checked.
Chakra reserves- checked.

Namikaze Minato,
Adequate Bloodline- missing...
Prodigy- missing...
Victory against Kage level shinobi- missing...
Fire/Earth/Water/Lightning/Wind element- missing...
A professor was unable to learn Uzumaki's secret fuinijutsu but a non-clan member can- missing...
Acess to Tobirama's special space-time jutsu- missing...
Kage Bunshin out of nowhere- missing...
Agreed with Orochimaru that he’s too young to be accepted as Hokage- checked.
Rasengan- checked.
Space time Barrier- missing...
Perfect control over the KCM in about no time, explanation- missing...
Perfect control over the BM in about no time, explanation- missing...
Sage Mode out of nowhere, explanation- missing...
The chakra needed to perform the most of this- missing...
Chakra reserves- missing...

Clearly we can't blame Madara for the power he obtain, since it's legit,
I gotta give it to Minato, he deserve nothing for it's hidden powerups.​

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

great thread, so true- we saw Madara's progression we know he was constantly fighting in wars since he was a child and had constant battles against hashirama. madara was a prodigy in the uchiha clan, and was known for having powerful chakra.

-Minato doesnot have a bloodline, heritage, not noted for large chakra, copied tobirama, him should be on the same boat as Jiriaya and Orochimaur, unable to use perfect sage mode.

 

[Zorø]

nice thread Madara ftw!!

 

[Gold Lightning]

Stupid thread, especially where you think a kage like Minato needs an explanation for the shadow clone jutsu -_-

 

[Sharingan no Kakashi]

this is baseline biased...the nv isn't made up of just uchiha and senju...minato was a prodigy that appeared once in a generation as stated by his teacher jiraiya...he defeated the raikage...that dude would have been toast had b not been around to save his ass...he defeated obito who was without doubt a kage level shinobi...and stopping an invasion of ova 1000 men alone solos any kage...the kurama part is at least understandable cuz the yang kurama which as we all know is the part that had all the hatred in the world lol...so going by yinyang logic the yin kurama should be at least more reasonable...you can't ask fof explanations for all his jutsus...he was a hokage...do you think ftg alone is enough to become hokage.. and he had access to information as the hokage...even sealed ones...so that's it

 

[Minator93]

Namikaze Minato,
Adequate Bloodline- No Need
Prodigy- Best Ever said by too many shinobis
Victory against Kage level shinobi- Soloed Ay+Bee, Obito+Kurama, 3rd war
Fire/Earth/Water/Lightning/Wind element-missing...
A professor was unable to learn Uzumaki's secret fuinijutsu but a non-clan member can- His Uzumaki wife taught him
Acess to Tobirama's special space-time jutsu- Developed his own FTG as said in DB
Kage Bunshin out of nowhere- Its a Jounin Level Jutsu Lol
Agreed with Orochimaru that he’s too young to be accepted as Hokage- checked.
Rasengan- checked.
Space time Barrier- His own development
Perfect control over the KCM in about no time, explanation- Not really
Perfect control over the BM in about no time, explanation- Not really
Sage Mode out of nowhere, explanation- Was foreshadowed
The chakra needed to perform the most of this-by feats was a chakra monster
Chakra reserves- Very High as proven

Clearly we can't blame Madara for the power he obtain, since it's legit,
I gotta give it to Minato, he deserves everything for his foreshadowed powerups.​

Fixed this shit thread U_U

 

[AGoodBoy]

1) Shadow clone jutsu is standard. Anyone can learn it.
2) He has an element, it's just not been revealed because it's not important right now. (we've already been tolld he tried fusing that element with rasengan)
3) he was called a prodigy.
4) we have no backstory on Namikaze. That can explain chakra reserves, adequate bloodline, etc. It's the same way hiruzen can bust 5) element and all he is is some 'sarutobi' who's not known for anything.
6) He beat Obito, who kage level and bested ay to the point that ay thought he was invincible.
7) His wife was an uzumaki. Hiruzen was just some guy known for knowing all konoha jutsu. Obviously minato would know more seals than him seeing as his wife is there teaching him.

The FTG and S/T barrier - Ftg obviously from a scroll. S/T barrier because he was a genius. unless you want to explain where tobirama pulled Shadow clones, FTG and ET from? Minato had a guide for his jutsu's, tobirama pulled those from his arse.


As to the rest ( KCM, BM, SM), there's no explanation.

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Also, For madara,

1) Large scale susano'o doesn't need an explanation. Why the hell does it? IT's just manifesting your chakra into form. MS uchiha can't created PS/legged susano'o because it'd consume too much chakra. All you need for PS is just more imagination and less strain on your body - aka EMS

2) He learnt ET weakness from tobirama... He knew all about the jutsu and has a sharingan to dissect it to learn how it works. Just by how he spoke we knew tobirama used it a lot.

3) Madara > everyone in rinnegan use. He unlocked it, has read uchiha tablet(knowledge on shit no one else knows) and more. Clearly he has hidden Rinne techs no one know - ala rinbo.

The rest need explaining, especially eye transplant.

 

[namikaze12]

Biased level 1000

 

[Da Best Ever]

great thread, so true- we saw Madara's progression we know he was constantly fighting in wars since he was a child and had constant battles against hashirama. madara was a prodigy in the uchiha clan, and was known for having powerful chakra.

-Minato doesnot have a bloodline, heritage, not noted for large chakra, copied tobirama, him should be on the same boat as Jiriaya and Orochimaur, unable to use perfect sage mode.

minato actually mastered sage mode as shown when he went into sage mode he had no frog like appearance unlike jiraya who hasnt mastered it and does have frog like appearance when he enters sage...

minato's lack of famed lineage is all the more interesting, he is the only high level shinobi out of konoha that is this special but backgroud is unknown, he goes to show that your lineage means nothing if u are skilled, technically all his power ups lik sm/bm arent explained but its not farfetched either because minato, has a contract with the toad summons so he has been to mt.myoboku, he has a sensei that was a sage mode user and it seemed like he and jiraya were close even jiraya was anxious to leanr minato's rasengan so it makes sense that jiraya tells him about sage mode, and as far as bm goes i think the reason for this is minato's chakra mastery, we knw he has arguably the greatest chakra mastery skills as seen many times now and mastery the kyuubi chakra is what it takes to get the bm power, people make a fuss about him doing it because it took naruto so long, this goes to show minato is one of the most skilled ever, i think kishi thought he shouldnt have to explain every thing because whats understood doesnt have to be explained...

 

[Chīkara]

Godara > Failnato and that's just the simple truth.

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[Da Best Ever]

1) Shadow clone jutsu is standard. Anyone can learn it.
2) He has an element, it's just not been revealed because it's not important right now. (we've already been tolld he tried fusing that element with rasengan)
3) he was called a prodigy.
4) we have no backstory on Namikaze. That can explain chakra reserves, adequate bloodline, etc. It's the same way hiruzen can bust 5) element and all he is is some 'sarutobi' who's not known for anything.
6) He beat Obito, who kage level and bested ay to the point that ay thought he was invincible.
7) His wife was an uzumaki. Hiruzen was just some guy known for knowing all konoha jutsu. Obviously minato would know more seals than him seeing as his wife is there teaching him.

The FTG and S/T barrier - Ftg obviously from a scroll. S/T barrier because he was a genius. unless you want to explain where tobirama pulled Shadow clones, FTG and ET from? Minato had a guide for his jutsu's, tobirama pulled those from his arse.


As to the rest ( KCM, BM, SM), there's no explanation.

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Also, For madara,

1) Large scale susano'o doesn't need an explanation. Why the hell does it? IT's just manifesting your chakra into form. MS uchiha can't created PS/legged susano'o because it'd consume too much chakra. All you need for PS is just more imagination and less strain on your body - aka EMS

2) He learnt ET weakness from tobirama... He knew all about the jutsu and has a sharingan to dissect it to learn how it works. Just by how he spoke we knew tobirama used it a lot.

3) Madara > everyone in rinnegan use. He unlocked it, has read uchiha tablet(knowledge on shit no one else knows) and more. Clearly he has hidden Rinne techs no one know - ala rinbo.

The rest need explaining, especially eye transplant.

the sarutobi clan was a prominent clan during th founding of konoha....


also i dnt think your explanation of why ms uchiha cant manifest ps is correct because u say it consumes too much chakra for a ms user, thats kind of ridiculous, the reason is just mastery over it, ps is a final susano with its chakra stabilized which basically in other words means the user has mastered the chakra...so its just mastery that obtains ps, chakra amount only comes into play with the size of susano's and how long u can manifest it just like every other jutsu

 

[Sharingan no Kakashi]

Godara > Failnato and that's just the simple truth.

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you're alone in that argument bruh

 

[Da Best Ever]

Fixed this shit thread U_U

minato was said to be the best only by A, nobody else said he was the best ever but A, people gav him praise but all didnt say shit lik the best ver...


he didnt best A+Bee, he bested A but bee countered him and had minato attack he would have been attacked


also minato chakra isnt that high like u just claimed, minato used like 6 jutsu and was out of chakra before using rds...2 s/t barriers, 2 rasengan, summoning tech, and transportation jutsu, i only mntioned this bcause u said minato was a chakra monster which is absurd as proven, minato has the best chakra mastery skills which makes hs jutsu chakra amount less because of his mastery...

 

[Da Best Ever]

you're alone in that argument bruh

godara > minato which is true and continues to be true every chapter

 

[Naijakid]

Uchiha fapkids are really Irate

Minato>>>>all uchiha except Madara and Juubito

 

[Sharingan no Kakashi]

godara > minato which is true and continues to be true every chapter

my point is its fact not an argument...we all read the last chapter...so enough about it already

 

[Sharingan no Kakashi]

minato was said to be the best only by A, nobody else said he was the best ever but A, people gav him praise but all didnt say shit lik the best ver...


he didnt best A+Bee, he bested A but bee countered him and had minato attack he would have been attacked


also minato chakra isnt that high like u just claimed, minato used like 6 jutsu and was out of chakra before using rds...2 s/t barriers, 2 rasengan, summoning tech, and transportation jutsu, i only mntioned this bcause u said minato was a chakra monster which is absurd as proven, minato has the best chakra mastery skills which makes hs jutsu chakra amount less because of his mastery...

and you think those are baby jutsus?...summoning bunta takes a lot of chakra...you should know that...transporting the kyubi is also not child's play...and deflecting a tbb isn't kids stuff...and his Rasengan isn't your average Rasengan

 

[the last shinobi]

this is baseline biased...the nv isn't made up of just uchiha and senju...minato was a prodigy that appeared once in a generation as stated by his teacher jiraiya...he defeated the raikage...that dude would have been toast had b not been around to save his ass...he defeated obito who was without doubt a kage level shinobi...and stopping an invasion of ova 1000 men alone solos any kage...the kurama part is at least understandable cuz the yang kurama which as we all know is the part that had all the hatred in the world lol...so going by yinyang logic the yin kurama should be at least more reasonable...you can't ask fof explanations for all his jutsus...he was a hokage...do you think ftg alone is enough to become hokage.. and he had access to information as the hokage...even sealed ones...so that's it

that title has been given to at least five other characters in this manga one of which was alive while minato was and he was praised as genius above all geniuses i believe that was itachi so that is not a good argument

he beat a teenager that was only half way paying attention to that fight because he was controlling the nine tails

3rd Raikage fought off 10,000 men so that statement was false

yes, that is what he used to end the 3rd shinobi war and that is why he was named hokage nothing more...he was actually the second choice for hokage

 

[the last shinobi]

and you think those are baby jutsus?...summoning bunta takes a lot of chakra...you should know that...transporting the kyubi is also not child's play...and deflecting a tbb isn't kids stuff...and his Rasengan isn't your average Rasengan

child naruto did that so im not impressed

 

[TrollingSage]

You'd think with their favorite character gaining the powers of a god Madara fapboys would be a little more secure.