Which is more logical? Madara's Empty Eyesocket Susanoo or Sage Mode Minato? WHY?

[mrcrazyboyravi]

i guess Izuna could also use suanoo without his sharingan and he must have put ordinary pair of eyes instead of going blind and fought for many years untill he died.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Unlike Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, Susano'o is not focussed on the eye.

''Sasuke described it as feeling pain in every cell in his body which only grew from prolonged use.''

''Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance as well as colour between users.''

It doesn't build up from the eye Like Izanagi,Izanami,Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi so once you learned the jutsu a eye is not required.

This explains it all

/thread

 

[the last shinobi]

SM minato.. it was hinted back in the pein arc..
he was jiraiya's student
Knew toad summonings

Why do people keep saying that he was jiraiya's student as a reason, there isn't any real way for him to have taught SM to Minato this has to be learned at the Mountain where the frogs live,

also apparently it takes a long time to learn SM that being the reason Jairaiya didn't have a complete sage mode is because he came there in between missions so basically in his spare time

Minato died younger than pervy sage and with a lot more responsibilities so there wasn't any real way for him to leave the village and train to become a sage...you can't say he learned like naruto learned with clones because naruto using the clones was very surprising to pa and he said it was unique.

Although maddy's was also far fetched at least we have something similar to it obito used an Ms technique to slip through the rocks while only having (just awakened no more than hour ago) 2 tomoe sharingan

 

[KisuneUchiha]

None at all,otherwise there would'nt be any point in switching eyes.

How about to actually see lol
Once you actually unlock Susano, you can keep using it even while blind or eyeless. It is the materialization of one's chakra.
That is rarely awakened.
Since it is rarely awakened, it would make sense for it to have special conditions

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Why do people keep saying that he was jiraiya's student as a reason, there isn't any real way for him to have taught SM to Minato this has to be learned at the Mountain where the frogs live,

also apparently it takes a long time to learn SM that being the reason Jairaiya didn't have a complete sage mode is because he came there in between missions so basically in his spare time

Minato died younger than pervy sage and with a lot more responsibilities so there wasn't any real way for him to leave the village and train to become a sage...you can't say he learned like naruto learned with clones because naruto using the clones was very surprising to pa and he said it was unique.

Although maddy's was also far fetched at least we have something similar to it obito used an Ms technique to slip through the rocks while only having (just awakened no more than hour ago) 2 tomoe sharingan

when has it ever been stated that obiti used an ms tech to survive the boulder...it was obvious that he was near death by the time lord madara rescued him hell it was even started that he was just lucky...

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

How about to actually see lol
Once you actually unlock Susano, you can keep using it even while blind or eyeless. It is the materialization of one's chakra.
That is rarely awakened.
Since it is rarely awakened, it would make sense for it to have special conditions

Sight is not the only sense a person has,there are stories of people who were blind and trained their other senses like hearing or smell.If a Uchiha could use their MS powers without eyes then they would'nt have bothered switching them out with another Uchiha.

 

[BlacLord™]

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As you can see he's blind.

As was Itachi when he first introduced Susano'o, your point?

It's been said over and over: Susano'o means "He with the ability to help by all means."

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

when has it ever been stated that obiti used an ms tech to survive the boulder...it was obvious that he was near death by the time lord madara rescued him hell it was even started that he was just lucky...

Madara said Obito just phased through the rocks.

 

[Legitimate]

How about to actually see lol
Once you actually unlock Susano, you can keep using it even while blind or eyeless. It is the materialization of one's chakra.
That is rarely awakened.
Since it is rarely awakened, it would make sense for it to have special conditions

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Not stated in the manga.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

i guess Izuna could also use suanoo without his sharingan and he must have put ordinary pair of eyes instead of going blind and fought for many years untill he died.

What if izuna didn't have susano

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Yet out of all the times Minato could've used SM he did'nt.....he even asked Naruto to add senjutsu chakra in the fight against Juubito.And no I don't buy the explanation that he was purposefully holding back in order to support Naruto because that would be stupid in a battle where the enemy only had one weakness.

Minato using SM then was the perfect time since Juubito could only be hurt with senjutsu yet he did'nt for some reason.I wonder why?

your whole argument is invalid. Just having a jutsu don't mean u can do it all the times.
Why didnt Tobirama used FTG and escaped the ambush ?
Why didn't Nagato used Gedo Mazou soul ripping drag to finish off whole konoha in a minute ?
Why didn't Itachi used izanami to the uchihaa clan leader to change his mind ?
Why didn't sasuke used amatersu enflamed P.S against madara instead of using a sword ?
Why didn't jiraiya escaped instead of fighitng pain to the death?
there are a lot of why didn't questions . If you want i can type more of them

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Madara said Obito just phased through the rocks.

Scans please

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

What if izuna didn't have susano

then why was Izuna said to be equal to M.S madara ?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

your whole argument is invalid. Just having a jutsu don't mean u can do it all the times.
Why didnt Tobirama used FTG and escaped the ambush ?
Why didn't Nagato used Gedo Mazou soul ripping drag to finish off whole konoha in a minute ?
Why didn't Itachi used izanami to the uchihaa clan leader to change his mind ?
Why didn't sasuke used amatersu enflamed P.S against madara instead of using a sword ?
Why didn't jiraiya escaped instead of fighitng pain to the death?
there are a lot of why didn't questions . If you want i can type more of them

Calling my argument invalid does'nt make it so.Minato was fighting a powerful enemy at the time who was only weak to senjutsu yet he did'nt pull out SM,I want to why.

 

[Bogard]

Yet out of all the times Minato could've used SM he did'nt.....he even asked Naruto to add senjutsu chakra in the fight against Juubito.And no I don't buy the explanation that he was purposefully holding back in order to support Naruto because that would be stupid in a battle where the enemy only had one weakness.

Minato using SM then was the perfect time since Juubito could only be hurt with senjutsu yet he did'nt for some reason.I wonder why?

SM isn't like Kryptonite for Superman. It doesn't weaken Jubito, it's the only way to touch him. Know the difference. Naruto was already there to give the only way to touch Jubito. From that point in time, power was more necessary than another SM user. Minato had far more fire power in BM than in SM. Reverting back in SM would have been a waste

 

[Legitimate]

This explains it all

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This explains it all:

Susanoo was not hinted as chakra dependent jutsu but vision as well.

See the scans after Karin replenished Sasuke's chakra and healed his wounds while he slowly loses his vision:

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Conclusion : Susanoo is dependent on chakra and vision.

Madara doesn't have his vision as his eyesockets are empty.

 

[Naijakid]

Susanoo without eyes is the greatest BS I've seen in anime History

Kishi should be sue

 

[RikudouMadara]

I was just thinking about this....I was saying with Madaras current knowledge and understanding of jutsu him using Susanoo that way actually makes a bit of sense.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

your whole argument is invalid. Just having a jutsu don't mean u can do it all the times.

You do know most of these have been answered?​

Why didnt Tobirama used FTG and escaped the ambush ?

It was hinted they were were tired, Tobi may not of had the chakra to do so.​

Why didn't Nagato used Gedo Mazou soul ripping drag to finish off whole konoha in a minute ?

Becuase he wanted intel not to kill....
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Why didn't Itachi used izanami to the uchihaa clan leader to change his mind ?

Izinami doesn't work like that.​

Why didn't sasuke used amatersu enflamed P.S against madara instead of using a sword ?

He didn't have enough stamina to maintain susanoo at that point, he would of lost anyway.​

Why didn't jiraiya escaped instead of fighitng pain to the death?

This was said during the fight, Ma and Pa wanted him to run but he wanted to figure out there abilities before he would go.​

 

[TrollingSage]

Ahh just noticed that. It is a technique usable when you unlock the potential I'm both eyes. It is an eye tech. However, perhaps it's usable once it is unlocked? Or maybe just because his evolved into rinnengan?

If that were true then an Uchiha wouldn't need to activate the sharingan to use an MS tech. I've never seen any Uchiha using susano or any ms tech without activating the sharingan