Which is more logical? Madara's Empty Eyesocket Susanoo or Sage Mode Minato? WHY?

[Gunjan]

Blind People Fighting Each other :|

 

[Legitimate]

Unlike Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, Susano'o is not focussed on the eye.

''Sasuke described it as feeling pain in every cell in his body which only grew from prolonged use.''

''Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance as well as colour between users.''

It doesn't build up from the eye Like Izanagi,Izanami,Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi so once you learned the jutsu a eye is not required.

LOL kid at spelling and you call yourself smart and strong sannin?

Anyway, Susanoo was not hinted as chakra dependent jutsu but vision as well.

See the scans after Karin replenished Sasuke's chakra and healed his wounds while he slowly loses his vision:

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Conclusion : Susanoo is dependent on chakra and vision.

Madara doesn't have his vision as his eyesockets are empty.

 

[-Punk-]

Minato of course for me .

I know that Itachi used Susannon while blind , but Madara had no eyes for god sakes , even if it's because of the brain transmitting chakra or whatever .....Minato makes more sense for me .

 

[namikaze12]

Minato's SM is way more logical, Jiraya's student, he can summon Gumabunta, it was even hinted in his fight against Kurama and the Naruto Vs. Pain fight.

Madara using Susano with an empty eye socket makes no sense whatsoever

 

[Avinash012]

Minato's SM is more logical and only Uchiha fanboys'll say otherwise.

 

[VolatileSoul]

They both made no sense, no matter how people tried to defend them or explain them. Minato not using Sage Mode against Obito, and comparing Naruto's Sage Mode to Jiraiya's when his was closer made no sense. Simply being Jiraiya's student and having the contract isn't an excuse as both Sasuke and Sakura have contracts and links to a Sage training area yet neither have it. I can't think of any reason why an eye technique would be usable without the eyes.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sage mode Minato is eons apart from eyeless Susano'o in terms of making logical sense. At least minato was Jiriaya's student and also had a toad contract. Anyone who thinks it makes sense to be able to use an eye technique without eyes needs to go get help.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Madara is more logical, as Itachi used it without eyes. Minato isn't, as he would have used it against Juubito, but didn't.

Itachi had eyes don't even try to compare them as the same thing :|, itachi used his mangekyo it was during the fight that the MS disappear due to overuses madara had no eyes at all.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Doesn't matter. He still used it without MS.

He had his eyes. madara didn't. how does it make any logical sense to be able to use an eye technique without freakiNG EYEs!?

 

[-Spoiler-]

Anyway, Susanoo was not hinted as chakra dependent jutsu but vision as well.

See the scans after Karin replenished Sasuke's chakra and healed his wounds while he slowly loses his vision:

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Conclusion : Susanoo is dependent on chakra and vision.

Madara doesn't have his vision as his eyesockets are empty.

wonder what's the excuse for this one Lol

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

both are logical in my pov the only ridiculous thing about this was then why did mianto use Sm against obito

KISHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[darthvader5666]

Definitely SM Minato.

 

[Untamed]

Minato's make sense. Madara's make sense. Minato is shown to have exceptional chakra handling skills.


Chill-out and quit the pouting people. Madara used Susano'o without eyes after he got Perfect Susano'o and EMS & stabilized it. You need the sharingan MS to "awaken" Susano'o not to use it all the time in Madara's case.

People say "Sasuke and Itachi's Susano'o were disappearing when they were going blind", but they didn't have EMS like Madara did at those times. They only had MS. Plus all we heard about and saw the effects of Senju + Uchiha dna factor in to create more power for the benefited for guys like Danzo.

Can Itachi or Obito speak intelligently on EMS when they have only managed MS? Could Sasuke speak more intelligently on EMS? Madara died with EMS and was resurrected as an Edo with it beyond his prime then Rinne Tensei'd in that same young body.

Madara had Hashirama's dna . Hashirama uses healing without hand seals. Now Madara uses susano'o without eyes in.
He still awakened Susano'o using eyes though he just doesn't need them to use it at all times.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

He had his eyes. madara didn't. how does it make any logical sense to be able to use an eye technique without freakiNG EYEs!?

None at all,otherwise there would'nt be any point in switching eyes.

 

[Legitimate]

wonder what's the excuse for this one Lol

The only excuse for that is to retcon the EMS.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

this explains in my pov how and why madara can use it without eyes

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[Bogard]

SM Minato was logical since it was hinted by Pa, only the introduction was weird. No-eye Madara was the asspull

Pa did imply Naruto was better however. But many people quickly came to the wrong conclusion that being batter was related to the natural energy balance. I think however it was more related to the amount of natural energy one can draw inside the body. Maybe Naruto pulls in far more natural energy at once than Minato or Jiraiya are capable of. That's a thing, too, in this manga. Sometimes there's a different level of mastery that is understood, but not necessarily always spelled out for you. Fukasaku seemed genuinely impressed with the sheer quantity of natural energy that Naruto could pull in.

Minato was also a toad contractor and not a random toad contractor. It was the Fourth Hokage for god sake, one of the greatest ninjas Konoha has ever produced, a once in life time genius.

As for the arguments around why he wasn't mentioned by Pa during Naruto's training, it's not the first time we see this. The Third knew everything about the First and Second, and yet he conveniently left out that Tobirama was the one who created Edo Tensei in part1 during their fights. Even Tobirama himself didn't mention back during the fight against the Third that he was the one who invented the jutsu. Information being left out isn't proof of your claims. You need direct evidence to totally contradict what we've learned, and even then it's possible for certain characters to not be fully knowledgeable on all the facts, such as Naruto believing that it was his father who invented Hiraishin.

Not just Fukasaku's words, but Gamabunta's also. Why specifically would Naruto in Sage Mode remind him of both Jiraiya and Minato? Why not just Jiraiya himself, since Jiraiya is suppose to be the only human to have ever achieved Sage Mode? What relevance does Minato even have in that situation. Why bring him up at all? Where is the connection to Pain, the Rinnegan, Nagato, Jiraiya's previous battle with Pain? The connection is others who have achieved Sage Mode. Pa probably has good reason to believe that Naruto's mastery of it has surpassed those who came before him. It isn't a case of Kishi saying "Hey, look, he must be Naruto's father!" Nope, that wasn't the point either.

Naruto surpassing his predecessors can mean a number of things. Simply having become a true Sage doesn't place Minato's mastery on the same level as Naruto's like i've explained above. That's like assuming all people that hold the Rinnegan or the Mangekyou Sharingan should display similar power and mastery. We even just recently learned that the pattern of your Mangekyou Sharingan enhances specific abilities

 

[Legitimate]

Minato's make sense. Madara's make sense. Minato is shown to have exceptional chakra handling skills.


Chill-out and quit the pouting people. Madara used Susano'o without eyes after he got Perfect Susano'o and EMS & stabilized it. You need the sharingan MS to "awaken" Susano'o not to use it all the time in Madara's case.

People say "Sasuke and Itachi's Susano'o were disappearing when they were going blind", but they didn't have EMS like Madara did at those times. They only had MS. Plus all we heard about and saw the effects of Senju + Uchiha dna factor in to create more power for the benefited for guys like Danzo.

Can Itachi or Obito speak intelligently on EMS when they have only managed MS? Could Sasuke speak more intelligently on EMS? Madara died with EMS and was resurrected as an Edo with it beyond his prime then Rinne Tensei'd in that same young body.

Madara had Hashirama's dna . Hashirama uses healing without hand seals. Now Madara uses susano'o without eyes in.
He still awakened Susano'o using eyes though he just doesn't need them to use it at all times.

this explains in my pov how and why madara can use it without eyes

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Well, I wish both your explanations or pov are written in the manga but for now, all of that are still opinions and speculations.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

what really make me sick about uchihaa is that once you know how to summon susanoo then why da **** u need EMS at all? becuase even if you go blind replace sharingan with any other ordinary eyes and u will still be able to do susanoo, amatersu , tuskuyomi . hahaha stupid asspullXD

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

SM Minato was logical since it was hinted by Pa, only the introduction was weird. No-eye Madara was the asspull

Pa did imply Naruto was better however. But many people quickly came to the wrong conclusion that being batter was related to the natural energy balance. I think however it was more related to the amount of natural energy one can draw inside the body. Maybe Naruto pulls in far more natural energy at once than Minato or Jiraiya are capable of. That's a thing, too, in this manga. Sometimes there's a different level of mastery that is understood, but not necessarily always spelled out for you. Fukasaku seemed genuinely impressed with the sheer quantity of natural energy that Naruto could pull in.

Minato was also a toad contractor and not a random toad contractor. It was the Fourth Hokage for god sake, one of the greatest ninjas Konoha has ever produced, a once in life time genius.

As for the arguments around why he wasn't mentioned by Pa during Naruto's training, it's not the first time we see this. The Third knew everything about the First and Second, and yet he conveniently left out that Tobirama was the one who created Edo Tensei in part1 during their fights. Even Tobirama himself didn't mention back during the fight against the Third that he was the one who invented the jutsu. Information being left out isn't proof of your claims. You need direct evidence to totally contradict what we've learned, and even then it's possible for certain characters to not be fully knowledgeable on all the facts, such as Naruto believing that it was his father who invented Hiraishin.

Not just Fukasaku's words, but Gamabunta's also. Why specifically would Naruto in Sage Mode remind him of both Jiraiya and Minato? Why not just Jiraiya himself, since Jiraiya is suppose to be the only human to have ever achieved Sage Mode? What relevance does Minato even have in that situation. Why bring him up at all? Where is the connection to Pain, the Rinnegan, Nagato, Jiraiya's previous battle with Pain? The connection is others who have achieved Sage Mode. Pa probably has good reason to believe that Naruto's mastery of it has surpassed those who came before him. It isn't a case of Kishi saying "Hey, look, he must be Naruto's father!" Nope, that wasn't the point either.

Naruto surpassing his predecessors can mean a number of things. Simply having become a true Sage doesn't place Minato's mastery on the same level as Naruto's like i've explained above. That's like assuming all people that hold the Rinnegan or the Mangekyou Sharingan should display similar power and mastery. We even just recently learned that the pattern of your Mangekyou Sharingan enhances specific abilities

Yet out of all the times Minato could've used SM he did'nt.....he even asked Naruto to add senjutsu chakra in the fight against Juubito.And no I don't buy the explanation that he was purposefully holding back in order to support Naruto because that would be stupid in a battle where the enemy only had one weakness.

Minato using SM then was the perfect time since Juubito could only be hurt with senjutsu yet he did'nt for some reason.I wonder why?