Minato and Naruto deserve to die.

[TrollingSage]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Yes, proven through Mabui's 'Speed of Light' Teleportation of Tsunade and Ae:



And this was Madara when he didn't have Hashirama's Pseudo-SM. Also coincides with the fact that he used to react to Tobirama's FTG in the past.



The scans are there; why back-peddle? As far as reaction is concerned, then Firstly, Tsunade knew where she was going by the sensing map present in the office - your disregard on this is quite odd. Madara on the other hand, had no clue. Secondly, no user has strike-rate speed at Speed of Light. Any action that follows after it is their own strike rate speed. Neither Minato nor anyone has has FTG level reflexes or speed in general. Even thinking so is lunacy.

What gives Madara more leverage here that he DID react to a Speed of Light Teleportation, when he didn't have SM then. Simple as that. Kinda coincides with his Tobirama logic, doesn't it?

Am sorry unless Tsunade had a magic crystal ball which showed her exactly where Madara and where she was going to appear, your argument is invalid. Even if she knew where she was going, people move around in a battlefield. There was no way of knowing Madara's exact position on the battlefield, therefore she would have had to look around to see where Madara was.
Madara didnt react to the teleportation technique, he reacted to the attack that followed.

 

[shelke]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Am sorry unless Tsunade had a magic crystal ball which showed her exactly where Madara and where she was going to appear, your argument is invalid. Even if she knew where she was going, people move around in a battlefield. There was no way of knowing Madara's exact position on the battlefield, therefore she would have had to look around to see where Madara was.
Madara didnt react to the teleportation technique, he reacted to the attack that followed.

There was a Magic-Crystal ball sensing like equipment there that pin-pointed the appearance of Madara. So no invalidity on my part. Which is why Mabui knew where to transport the Purifying Pot - Straight To Darui - and then both of them to the battle field. The technique works on teleporting objects to precise locations. Not sure what's there to deny here.

What do you mean? He reacted to it, by immediately blocking himself against Tsunade's attack. Give me a break. I see FTG desperate fans claiming that Minato's FTG is unavoidable and it's instant, when his attacks are instant, when it's the same principle. Yet, when Madara is shown to have a superior reflex action, it's denied based on sub-par reasoning that so and so happened because teleportation had already happened? Are you really going to play it this way?

Every individual reacts to attacks that follow a teleportation. But reacting to it means reacting to the individual that appears with the teleportation, thus teleportation itself. All I am seeing is back-paddling.

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

There was a Magic-Crystal ball sensing like equipment there that pin-pointed the appearance of Madara. So no invalidity on my part. Which is why Mabui knew where to transport the Purifying Pot - Straight To Darui - and then both of them to the battle field. The technique works on teleporting objects to precise locations. Not sure what's there to deny here.

What do you mean? He reacted to it, by immediately blocking himself against Tsunade's attack. Give me a break. I see FTG desperate fans claiming that Minato's FTG is unavoidable and it's instant, when his attacks are instant, when it's the same principle. Yet, when Madara is shown to have a superior reflex action, it's denied based on sub-par reasoning that so and so happened because teleportation had already happened? Are you really going to play it this way?

Every individual reacts to attacks that follow a teleportation. But reacting to it means reacting to the individual that appears with the teleportation, thus teleportation itself. All I am seeing is back-paddling.

Way to ignore the important point, which is people tend to move around in a battlefield. That sensing equipment would have given Mabui the general location of Madara. Tsunade would have still had to look around to find Madara since Madara would have moved in that time.

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Also there was a flash of light which alerted Madara even before they actually appeared.

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[Denzel Washington]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Way to ignore the important point, which is people tend to move around in a battlefield. That sensing equipment would have given Mabui the general location of Madara. Tsunade would have still had to look around to find Madara since Madara would have moved in that time.

He always ignores the main point, that's kind of his schtick.

 

[Naijakid]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Doesn't matter Minato>> yo fav

 

[shelke]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Way to ignore the important point, which is people tend to move around in a battlefield. That sensing equipment would have given Mabui the general location of Madara. Tsunade would have still had to look around to find Madara since Madara would have moved in that time.

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- That is why the purifying pot was teleported exactly in front of Darui.

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- The Intel team knows everything that's happening on the battle-field. How long do you plan on playing this ridiculous logic of yours?

The Uchiha hatred is so strong with some people that it literally clouds their thick fanboy goggles.

 

[~Sky~]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Minato hasn't made as much of a difference as I thought he would. He's been useful and he's shown a lot of new feats.. but meh.

 

[shelke]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

Not only that, Muu, who is a perfect sensor and reacted to KCM Naruto attacking from behind him was smashed into the hill -

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Muu evaded him, when he was coming from behind. That is how GOOD Madara is.

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

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- That is why the purifying pot was teleported exactly in front of Darui.

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- The Intel team knows everything that's happening on the battle-field. How long do you plan on playing this ridiculous logic of yours?

The Uchiha hatred is so strong with some people that it literally clouds their thick fanboy goggles.

Oh so you do have that scan. Well saves me the trouble of posting it. Look at the first scan. Notice the light show infront of Darui before the pot actually appears. Now back to the one I posted earlier. Notice Muu using his hands to protect his eyes from the light show.
Now with all this evidence right infront of you, surely even you wouldn't deny that the light show that happens before the actual teleportation lasts a few moments. Enough to alert the enemy to the incoming danger.

 

[shelke]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

^ Now you're just dancing around the argument. The pot was teleported exactly in front, just as Tsundae and Ae were, who are obviously not stationary pots. At first it was about 'they cannot tell where the people now', now it's about 'no no, they get a warning'? FTG and this wouldn't be different in any manner - as objects appear instantly at a particular place. The Flash of Light, FYI is already present on Tsundae and Ae as well, if you haven't noticed.

Then we have Muu, who reacted and Evaded KCM Naruto's attack perfectly, and yet, was smashed into the ground because of the sudden teleporation. Further cementing my argument that it all happened far too fast. Madara reacted, Muu Couldn't.

 

[Slender Man]

Who's side is Minato on?

Waits for Obito to kill the main characters:

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Brings danger to Naruto, Sasuke, and Gamakichi:

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Comes up with excuses so Naruto can die:

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Saves Obito which allows Madara to revive:

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Gives Black Zetsu the other half of the Kyuubi:

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Gets kicked around like a piece of trash which disrupts Gaara and Kakashi:

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I don't think it's possible for anyone to be this retarded. I suspect Minato is a double agent who is secretly helping Madara accomplish his plans.

 

[Joker]

Re: Who's side is Minato on?

This made me chuckle
OT: He's plotting with Lawd Iruka

 

[omarsen]

Re: Who's side is Minato on?

He is secretly a "Madara"

 

[itachi4real]

Re: Who's side is Minato on?

Minato is a great shinobi f*** what u talkin bout. He did shit ur fav cant do. The fastest ninja and second best kage and u remember that shit

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

^ Now you're just dancing around the argument. The pot was teleported exactly in front, just as Tsundae and Ae were, who are obviously not stationary pots. At first it was about 'they cannot tell where the people now', now it's about 'no no, they get a warning'? FTG and this wouldn't be different in any manner - as objects appear instantly at a particular place. The Flash of Light, FYI is already present on Tsundae and Ae as well, if you haven't noticed.

Then we have Muu, who reacted and Evaded KCM Naruto's attack perfectly, and yet, was smashed into the ground because of the sudden teleporation. Further cementing my argument that it all happened far too fast. Madara reacted, Muu Couldn't.

Actually the flash of light appeared before the pot itself appeared. It would have been the same for Tsunade and Ay as well. You obviously neglected the fact that Muu was already covering his face from the lights, a clear indication that there's a bit of time between the lights and the teleported objects appearing. I would say it's more likely Muu was on the ground because he didnt have the strenght to withstand the attack. Who's dancing around the argument now?

 

[Ovan]

Re: Who's side is Minato on?

Even though I am a fan of Minato, this was pretty funny.

 

[damon hunt]

Re: Who's side is Minato on?

you just can't argue with logic.

 

[Bimbonium]

Re: Who's side is Minato on?

Lol, he failed that's all there is to it.

 

[shelke]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

^ Speculation about Muu. Fact is, he couldn't even step back, when KCM Naruto was a piece of cake for him to dodge. Lot of time for a technique that is refereed to as 'Speed of Light' teleportation?

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Because of Minato they are losing the war.

^ Speculation about Muu. Fact is, he couldn't even step back, when KCM Naruto was a piece of cake for him to dodge. Lot of time for a technique that is refereed to as 'Speed of Light' teleportation?

Based on a solid manga fact. Doesn't matter what the technique is named. You should know by now that techniques in NV don't always live up to their name. Minato and Tobirama definitley aren't thunder gods and they definitely dont fly.
Anyways the point I've made is quite irrefutable if I do say so myself. There's a clear time lapse between the lightning show and the teleported objected appearing. That's a manga fact, period.