[Theory] The truth behind Chakra, and the foreshadow of Naruto's fate

[Mr Hiru]

My friends, chapter 665 gave us an explicit revelation about the source of chakra... specifically, the purpose of the Sage to teach the secrets of chakra.

The mysteries of the series are starting to dissappear, a lot of questions are being answered. EVERYTHING is making sense, and there are huge foreshadows of what's coming.

...let's start to play with the pieces of the Puzzle.

The true purpose of Ninshuu

The Sage of Six Paths shared his chakra so people could connect their souls and reach peace through the understanding.

The keyword for this fact is the word 'connect'.

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The failure of the Sage

Humans are weak beings, they are selfish and they would use the power for their respective own sake.

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Now, please note the strong hints of these two manga pages, which I find very important.

- The first quote speaks about the word "connect" as the original way to make peace, and it follows Jirayia's philosophy (

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) about peace being reaching through understanding each other. This is the answer that pushed the Sage to give his will to the younger son: Love. This quote will be tagged as 'A'.

- The second quote speaks about what happen when the power takes over the human's heart... arrogance, selfishness and vanity takes over their minds. This is the reason of why the Sage didn't chose the Elder son's answer. This quote will be tagged as 'B'.

Clearly, 'A' makes reference to the use of Spiritual Energy to connect the minds, while 'B' makes reference to chakra molding (mixing spiritual and physical energy to create chakra): The Yin and Yang symbol appears when the wrong answer is chosen.

Now, I'll instance the previous revelations that were important to understand the Narutoverse as we know it today.

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(these chapters are connected by the concept of Yin and Yang, this is, 'B')

Yes. I'm talking about the properties of Yin and Yang, the creation of the Tailed Beasts, and also the birth of the Elder and Younger son of the Sage. In all cases, they are referencing Yin and Yang at some extent, and since this is related to 'B', I can tell that these were related to wrong decisions... the Sage created weapons, when he had to be teaching ways to make peace. He was naive, he contradicted his own teachings.

Now... what could I say about 'A'? The original purpose of chakra was to 'connect' people. Well, let's talk about connecting things... (We have A LOT of foreshadowing based on this. Prepare yourselves, since I'm going to connect these chapters to very old ones).

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Nagato... he was a 'bridge' for hope. This original role was played by Yahiko when he was running Akatsuki. This 'bridge' was passed down to Naruto.

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But this isn't all... do you remember an early chapter in part 1?

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The Hero's Bridge (Chapter 33): "The Great Naruto Bridge"

The "Bridge" is a concept that has been passing by the whole manga as a concept for connecting people. Now Naruto has been aknowledged by every Kage as someone with the special power to make friends from foes, he has been connecting people without having to use chakra, but his own nindou... just like the former purpose of the Sage... just like 'A'.

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So, going straight to the main point of this thread... is that I'm kind of dissappointed about Madara's resolution:

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He denies the world

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He thinks he will save the world by denying the real world

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He speaks about the true purpose of chakra

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He speaks about the chakra as how is it used now... like a weapon

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He speaks about chakra as the source of hatred in the world

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He tells that he will eliminate that chakra... that "evil" chakra

...and he completely ignores the fact that even if people didn't have chakra, they would still be in constant war... just like before Kaguya eaten the fruit. Because chakra is not the only source of power existing in the world.

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Chakra was something that originally came from the Juubi. And now it seems like he forgot what he said about people before knowing about the concept of "chakra".

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...Kaguya used chakra as a weapon.

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But this is one of much weapons that exists in the world... so... Madara is being inconsistent... If Madara is trying to create a dreamworld without chakra, then this world would not eliminate wars...

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He even said that after human wielded chakra, "nothing changed". Then the logic that is supporting Madara's Tsuki no Me is flawed.

So, if all the foreshadowing connected to the current events are really important, I'm guessing that the one to finish the Sage's job (finding peace) will be Naruto (Sasuke has not been aknowledged as a bridge, so he is out of this).

 

[ANiMUS]

Isn't that kinda why Madara wants everybody in a genjutsu??? It will be peaceful because he will make it that way.
Side note: y note Sasuke he has nothing to do with this.

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke will be involved; we both know that.

 

[Gatsuuga]

Wow, excellent thread. I was excited about that panel since reading that chapter because I knew people would start to build theories behind it. I'm not disappointed at all you made a great analysis. It just makes me sad that we didn't get to see more of yahiko. Even before meeting jiriaya he had a very strong desire and morale code. Essentially he was a visionary of his time and would have done a lot of good things had he not died. But that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.

I liked your comments on madara as well. I truly find madara to be quite pathetic at times, and you illustrated good points as to why. He is indeed inconsistent and I think it stems from his desire to be in his own perfect world. He preaches about how he is saving everyone but really he is just running away from his issues. He is conceited, self centred, arrogant and jealous yet he lived out most of his years as a parasite. He really has no business acting so high and mighty since at the end of the day he is just trying to justify to himself what was a pretty pathetic existence.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

strong thread....but i think sasuke will be in it some how....and madara is...well let me say it like this
nagato wanted peace but had no real awnser besides what he told naruto...he is step 1
obito wanted peace but mainly to put everybody to sleep and see rin...he is step 2
then madara is gunna drag everyone there so that everything that has chakra doesnt currupt and get evil....its just the same thing over and over with just more to it if you get what im saying

 

[Filo]

Wow very well thought out thread

 

[Hori]

Impressive thread... I wanted to make a thread like this I guess I don't have to now.

 

[tatonation39]

My friends, chapter 665 gave us an explicit revelation about the source of chakra... specifically, the purpose of the Sage to teach the secrets of chakra.

The mysteries of the series are starting to dissappear, a lot of questions are being answered. EVERYTHING is making sense, and there are huge foreshadows of what's coming.

...let's start to play with the pieces of the Puzzle.



Bkth

Now, please note the strong hints of these two manga pages, which I find very important.

- The first quote speaks about the word "connect" as the original way to make peace, and it follows Jirayia's philosophy (

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,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

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,

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) about peace being reaching through understanding each other. This is the answer that pushed the Sage to give his will to the younger son: Love. This quote will be tagged as 'A'.

- The second quote speaks about what happen when the power takes over the human's heart... arrogance, selfishness and vanity takes over their minds. This is the reason of why the Sage didn't chose the Elder son's answer. This quote will be tagged as 'B'.

Clearly, 'A' makes reference to the use of Spiritual Energy to connect the minds, while 'B' makes reference to chakra molding (mixing spiritual and physical energy to create chakra): The Yin and Yang symbol appears when the wrong answer is chosen.

Now, I'll instance the previous revelations that were important to understand the Narutoverse as we know it today.

You must be registered for see links

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(these chapters are connected by the concept of Yin and Yang, this is, 'B')

Yes. I'm talking about the properties of Yin and Yang, the creation of the Tailed Beasts, and also the birth of the Elder and Younger son of the Sage. In all cases, they are referencing Yin and Yang at some extent, and since this is related to 'B', I can tell that these were related to wrong decisions... the Sage created weapons, when he had to be teaching ways to make peace. He was naive, he contradicted his own teachings.

Now... what could I say about 'A'? The original purpose of chakra was to 'connect' people. Well, let's talk about connecting things... (We have A LOT of foreshadowing based on this. Prepare yourselves, since I'm going to connect these chapters to very old ones).

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Nagato... he was a 'bridge' for hope. This original role was played by Yahiko when he was running Akatsuki. This 'bridge' was passed down to Naruto.

You must be registered for see links

But this isn't all... do you remember an early chapter in part 1?

You must be registered for see links

The Hero's Bridge (Chapter 33): "The Great Naruto Bridge"

The "Bridge" is a concept that has been passing by the whole manga as a concept for connecting people. Now Naruto has been aknowledged by every Kage as someone with the special power to make friends from foes, he has been connecting people without having to use chakra, but his own nindou... just like the former purpose of the Sage... just like 'A'.

===

So, going straight to the main point of this thread... is that I'm kind of dissappointed about Madara's resolution:

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He denies the world

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He thinks he will save the world by denying the real world

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about the true purpose of chakra

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about the chakra as how is it used now... like a weapon

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about chakra as the source of hatred in the world

You must be registered for see links

He tells that he will eliminate that chakra... that "evil" chakra

...and he completely ignores the fact that even if people didn't have chakra, they would still be in constant war... just like before Kaguya eaten the fruit. Because chakra is not the only source of power existing in the world.

You must be registered for see links

Chakra was something that originally came from the Juubi. And now it seems like he forgot what he said about people before knowing about the concept of "chakra".

You must be registered for see links

...Kaguya used chakra as a weapon.

You must be registered for see links

But this is one of much weapons that exists in the world... so... Madara is being inconsistent... If Madara is trying to create a dreamworld without chakra, then this world would not eliminate wars...

You must be registered for see links

He even said that after human wielded chakra, "nothing changed". Then the logic that is supporting Madara's Tsuki no Me is flawed.

So, if all the foreshadowing connected to the current events are really important, I'm guessing that the one to finish the Sage's job (finding peace) will be Naruto (Sasuke has not been aknowledged as a bridge, so he is out of this).

Dude I have to say you did a amazing job explaining every detail you must have a rep up x5 for this. I couldn't agree more with your explanation on this you have covered every ground and loop hole man nice shit dude. And as for the ppl who ask about sasuke stop and read this again if you still dont get it then stop watching and reading naruto seriously. A great thread and you're asking about (mocking) um why is sasuke involved.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

My friends, chapter 665 gave us an explicit revelation about the source of chakra... specifically, the purpose of the Sage to teach the secrets of chakra.

The mysteries of the series are starting to dissappear, a lot of questions are being answered. EVERYTHING is making sense, and there are huge foreshadows of what's coming.

...let's start to play with the pieces of the Puzzle.





Now, please note the strong hints of these two manga pages, which I find very important.

- The first quote speaks about the word "connect" as the original way to make peace, and it follows Jirayia's philosophy (

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

) about peace being reaching through understanding each other. This is the answer that pushed the Sage to give his will to the younger son: Love. This quote will be tagged as 'A'.

- The second quote speaks about what happen when the power takes over the human's heart... arrogance, selfishness and vanity takes over their minds. This is the reason of why the Sage didn't chose the Elder son's answer. This quote will be tagged as 'B'.

Clearly, 'A' makes reference to the use of Spiritual Energy to connect the minds, while 'B' makes reference to chakra molding (mixing spiritual and physical energy to create chakra): The Yin and Yang symbol appears when the wrong answer is chosen.

Now, I'll instance the previous revelations that were important to understand the Narutoverse as we know it today.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

(these chapters are connected by the concept of Yin and Yang, this is, 'B')

Yes. I'm talking about the properties of Yin and Yang, the creation of the Tailed Beasts, and also the birth of the Elder and Younger son of the Sage. In all cases, they are referencing Yin and Yang at some extent, and since this is related to 'B', I can tell that these were related to wrong decisions... the Sage created weapons, when he had to be teaching ways to make peace. He was naive, he contradicted his own teachings.

Now... what could I say about 'A'? The original purpose of chakra was to 'connect' people. Well, let's talk about connecting things... (We have A LOT of foreshadowing based on this. Prepare yourselves, since I'm going to connect these chapters to very old ones).

You must be registered for see links

Nagato... he was a 'bridge' for hope. This original role was played by Yahiko when he was running Akatsuki. This 'bridge' was passed down to Naruto.

You must be registered for see links

But this isn't all... do you remember an early chapter in part 1?

You must be registered for see links

The Hero's Bridge (Chapter 33): "The Great Naruto Bridge"

The "Bridge" is a concept that has been passing by the whole manga as a concept for connecting people. Now Naruto has been aknowledged by every Kage as someone with the special power to make friends from foes, he has been connecting people without having to use chakra, but his own nindou... just like the former purpose of the Sage... just like 'A'.

===

So, going straight to the main point of this thread... is that I'm kind of dissappointed about Madara's resolution:

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He denies the world

You must be registered for see links

He thinks he will save the world by denying the real world

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about the true purpose of chakra

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about the chakra as how is it used now... like a weapon

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about chakra as the source of hatred in the world

You must be registered for see links

He tells that he will eliminate that chakra... that "evil" chakra

...and he completely ignores the fact that even if people didn't have chakra, they would still be in constant war... just like before Kaguya eaten the fruit. Because chakra is not the only source of power existing in the world.

You must be registered for see links

Chakra was something that originally came from the Juubi. And now it seems like he forgot what he said about people before knowing about the concept of "chakra".

You must be registered for see links

...Kaguya used chakra as a weapon.

You must be registered for see links

But this is one of much weapons that exists in the world... so... Madara is being inconsistent... If Madara is trying to create a dreamworld without chakra, then this world would not eliminate wars...

You must be registered for see links

He even said that after human wielded chakra, "nothing changed". Then the logic that is supporting Madara's Tsuki no Me is flawed.

So, if all the foreshadowing connected to the current events are really important, I'm guessing that the one to finish the Sage's job (finding peace) will be Naruto (Sasuke has not been aknowledged as a bridge, so he is out of this).

Can't get much clearer than that, great job + rep

Particularly in explaining how flawed Madara's logic is, from an initial glance it may seem like he has basis, but like you said, erasing chakra from the world would still leave those who wield them as weapons, which is the real issue.

Nice correlation between, The Great Naruto Bridge, Nagato, Naruto, and the proverbial ''Bridge to Peace'', can't believe i never noticed that.

Well done!

 

[MrDuck]

Good thread.

I only disagree on the point of Madara's tsukuyomi world. There wouldn't be wars even without chakra because he can make them live peacefully, that's the point of his plan.

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

u took too much effort to write this thread bt it is really worth it . This post deserved to be thanked

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Good thread.

I only disagree on the point of Madara's tsukuyomi world. There wouldn't be wars even without chakra because he can make them live peacefully, that's the point of his plan.

He is creating a dream world. It isn't the same as the real world. Everything will be an illusion...

 

[Mr Hiru]

Isn't that kinda why Madara wants everybody in a genjutsu??? It will be peaceful because he will make it that way.
Side note: y note Sasuke he has nothing to do with this.

A genjutsu would only alter the people's perception of reality. There is no reason of why this genjutsu would alter the human nature... the personality of each individual would still be intact. For instance, watch the Road to Ninja Movie... there is an incomplete Infinite Tsukiyomi. Naruto didn't change at all...

About Sasuke: Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that Sasuke won't be involved in defeating Madara (I believe Sasuke will be the one defeating him in this battle). BUT I think Sasuke won't be involved in the task of reaching "world peace", since his objective is still selfish (restoring his clan, protecting his brother's village)... he is not as abstract as Naruto when thinking about peace (Sasuke searches for inner peace, Naruto searches for global peace).

Sasuke will be involved; we both know that.

In defeating Madara? Of course. In reaching world peace? Explain why.

In this thread, I said that eliminating chakra would not erase wars. Sasuke wanted to eliminate the Bijuus (if he eliminates the Juubi, he would be esentially eliminating chakra..., so his logic is as flawed as Madara's logic)... so I don't see how he could be inside the task for reaching world peace, including the bijuus in the process rather than eliminating them.

Wow, excellent thread. I was excited about that panel since reading that chapter because I knew people would start to build theories behind it. I'm not disappointed at all you made a great analysis. It just makes me sad that we didn't get to see more of yahiko. Even before meeting jiriaya he had a very strong desire and morale code. Essentially he was a visionary of his time and would have done a lot of good things had he not died. But that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.

I liked your comments on madara as well. I truly find madara to be quite pathetic at times, and you illustrated good points as to why. He is indeed inconsistent and I think it stems from his desire to be in his own perfect world. He preaches about how he is saving everyone but really he is just running away from his issues. He is conceited, self centred, arrogant and jealous yet he lived out most of his years as a parasite. He really has no business acting so high and mighty since at the end of the day he is just trying to justify to himself what was a pretty pathetic existence.

Thanks for the support. I think the Sage was equally contradictory when teaching Ninshuu and creating weapons. Madara... this guy has the same way of thinking as Kaguya Ootsutsuki.

strong thread....but i think sasuke will be in it some how....and madara is...well let me say it like this
nagato wanted peace but had no real awnser besides what he told naruto...he is step 1
obito wanted peace but mainly to put everybody to sleep and see rin...he is step 2
then madara is gunna drag everyone there so that everything that has chakra doesnt currupt and get evil....its just the same thing over and over with just more to it if you get what im saying

Thanks for the support. But I think Sasuke won't be involved in reaching global peace... because he reached the same flawed answer as Madara (he wanted to burn down the bijuus... eliminate the former source of chakra). This won't eliminate wars.

Wow very well thought out thread

Thank you!

Impressive thread... I wanted to make a thread like this I guess I don't have to now.

Thanks! But I'm sure there are holes in this thread. I'll be glad if you found out some of these holes and do some rebuttal .

Dude I have to say you did a amazing job explaining every detail you must have a rep up x5 for this. I couldn't agree more with your explanation on this you have covered every ground and loop hole man nice shit dude. And as for the ppl who ask about sasuke stop and read this again if you still dont get it then stop watching and reading naruto seriously. A great thread and you're asking about (mocking) um why is sasuke involved.

Thanks man, I really appreciate your support. I think Sasuke will be involved in defeating Madara, but his philosophy is not about global peace... that's why I said that he won't be involved in this main task, the task of the Sage of Six Paths.

Can't get much clearer than that, great job + rep

Particularly in explaining how flawed Madara's logic is, from an initial glance it may seem like he has basis, but like you said, erasing chakra from the world would still leave those who wield them as weapons, which is the real issue.

Nice correlation between, The Great Naruto Bridge, Nagato, Naruto, and the proverbial ''Bridge to Peace'', can't believe i never noticed that.

Well done!

Thanks a lot, these were interesting points that were appearing in the series (and I bet there are a lot of more points). Also, note that the Sage was contradictory as well (creates weapons to solve the problem of wars).

Good thread.

I only disagree on the point of Madara's tsukuyomi world. There wouldn't be wars even without chakra because he can make them live peacefully, that's the point of his plan.

Madara wouldn't be able to alter people's personality. He would only alter their perception of reality, since genjutsu is not something made for controlling minds... it is something that affects cognition.

u took too much effort to write this thread bt it is really worth it . This post deserved to be thanked

I would thank you sir for your consideration

He is creating a dream world. It isn't the same as the real world. Everything will be an illusion...

Death is not an illusion inside a genjutsu. If people can't breath inside an illusion, the mind makes it real, and the target stops breathing in the real world.

Genjutsu only affects cognition, it doesn't affect other things.

 

[WoodElementUser]

Great Thread As Always....
I Love Your Work...

 

[Durante]

I think the point is that chakra is a double-edged weapon, Sasuke burning down the bijuu's was like getting rid of nukes, the deterrence theory may not take place anymore, due to no fear, but is peace derived from fear really worth having?

The sage's solution is a temporary one in the long run, bad apples tend to fall sooner or later. So just jack into Madara's matrix. =D

 

[Transcendence]

This was.... nice.

Although just to make a point about Hagoromo and Kaguya; their situations deviate completely from Madara's. Kaguya was in a time of constant war and strife. Any way possible to end it, even if temporarily, would have sufficed. Hence, she ate the Shinju's fruit and gained immense power, more than enough to stop the constant wars. It wasn't until the re-ermergence of the Shinju in the form of the Juubi that there was fighting again. Hagoromo is even more right in his use of chakra and the need for weapons. He had chakra, but decided to share it in order to "connect" people. This was unselfish, and he thought that if everyone had access to chakra, it would act as a deterrent against wars. He didn't anticipate the vile actions that human nature can commit on a whim. Although, I believe we have more to hear about Hagoromo, particularly from himself. Madara knowing literally every detail is a tad flawed, and his introduction to the series through Naruto seems appropriate.

Off topic, but it ties in to your somewhat: Given the immense foreshadowing between Naruto and Rikudou (the parallels between them) and the fact that it is EXTREMELY likely that Naruto will get sufficient Juubi chakra to rival Hagoromo's Pre-Jin form himself; do you think it is possible that given all this, we may see a Rikudou Naruto form as Naruto's final "ultimate power-up? I mean something like Sennin Modo w/ Rin'negan and a new cloak that is almost identical to Rikudou's silhouette.​

 

[Mr Hiru]

My friends, chapter 665 gave us an explicit revelation about the source of chakra... specifically, the purpose of the Sage to teach the secrets of chakra.

The mysteries of the series are starting to dissappear, a lot of questions are being answered. EVERYTHING is making sense, and there are huge foreshadows of what's coming.

...let's start to play with the pieces of the Puzzle.





Now, please note the strong hints of these two manga pages, which I find very important.

- The first quote speaks about the word "connect" as the original way to make peace, and it follows Jirayia's philosophy (

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

) about peace being reaching through understanding each other. This is the answer that pushed the Sage to give his will to the younger son: Love. This quote will be tagged as 'A'.

- The second quote speaks about what happen when the power takes over the human's heart... arrogance, selfishness and vanity takes over their minds. This is the reason of why the Sage didn't chose the Elder son's answer. This quote will be tagged as 'B'.

Clearly, 'A' makes reference to the use of Spiritual Energy to connect the minds, while 'B' makes reference to chakra molding (mixing spiritual and physical energy to create chakra): The Yin and Yang symbol appears when the wrong answer is chosen.

Now, I'll instance the previous revelations that were important to understand the Narutoverse as we know it today.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

(these chapters are connected by the concept of Yin and Yang, this is, 'B')

Yes. I'm talking about the properties of Yin and Yang, the creation of the Tailed Beasts, and also the birth of the Elder and Younger son of the Sage. In all cases, they are referencing Yin and Yang at some extent, and since this is related to 'B', I can tell that these were related to wrong decisions... the Sage created weapons, when he had to be teaching ways to make peace. He was naive, he contradicted his own teachings.

Now... what could I say about 'A'? The original purpose of chakra was to 'connect' people. Well, let's talk about connecting things... (We have A LOT of foreshadowing based on this. Prepare yourselves, since I'm going to connect these chapters to very old ones).

You must be registered for see links

Nagato... he was a 'bridge' for hope. This original role was played by Yahiko when he was running Akatsuki. This 'bridge' was passed down to Naruto.

You must be registered for see links

But this isn't all... do you remember an early chapter in part 1?

You must be registered for see links

The Hero's Bridge (Chapter 33): "The Great Naruto Bridge"

The "Bridge" is a concept that has been passing by the whole manga as a concept for connecting people. Now Naruto has been aknowledged by every Kage as someone with the special power to make friends from foes, he has been connecting people without having to use chakra, but his own nindou... just like the former purpose of the Sage... just like 'A'.

===

So, going straight to the main point of this thread... is that I'm kind of dissappointed about Madara's resolution:

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He denies the world

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He thinks he will save the world by denying the real world

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about the true purpose of chakra

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about the chakra as how is it used now... like a weapon

You must be registered for see links

He speaks about chakra as the source of hatred in the world

You must be registered for see links

He tells that he will eliminate that chakra... that "evil" chakra

...and he completely ignores the fact that even if people didn't have chakra, they would still be in constant war... just like before Kaguya eaten the fruit. Because chakra is not the only source of power existing in the world.

You must be registered for see links

Chakra was something that originally came from the Juubi. And now it seems like he forgot what he said about people before knowing about the concept of "chakra".

You must be registered for see links

...Kaguya used chakra as a weapon.

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But this is one of much weapons that exists in the world... so... Madara is being inconsistent... If Madara is trying to create a dreamworld without chakra, then this world would not eliminate wars...

You must be registered for see links

He even said that after human wielded chakra, "nothing changed". Then the logic that is supporting Madara's Tsuki no Me is flawed.

So, if all the foreshadowing connected to the current events are really important, I'm guessing that the one to finish the Sage's job (finding peace) will be Naruto (Sasuke has not been aknowledged as a bridge, so he is out of this).

Maybe I'm rushing conclusions with this answer, but I have to apologize, since the conclusion of this thread is rather mistaken. Hagoromo said that both Naruto and Sasuke must cooperate in order to defeat Madara.

I was wrong.

 

[beast7960]

Interesting read but sasuke is as much a part of changing the world as Naruto is. Sage realized that only entrusting Ashura with his goal for peace caused this long battle. In order to fix this cycle, he is entrusting both naruto and sasuke equally. Indra believed in power to attain peace, while Ashura believed in love, this is the same with naruto and sasuke as they are the reincarnations of indra and ashura. The old sasuke is a perfect example of why achieving peace with love only does not work. People love too much and as a result, they learn to hate if the object of their love is lost. Madara and Kaguya are examples of why achieving peace with power only doesn't work. They become consumed by their lust for power and lose themselves, causing people to fear them. In the narutoverse, in order for peace to be achieved there needs to be a balance between the two. You need power to protect those that you love, and you need love to prevent power from consuming the heart.

 

[xXVergiliusXx]

Didn't read lol