So what happened to BSM?

[genii96]

His opponents were juubi's jin with city busting power and a rinnegan madara with the power to oneshot 9 bijuus. It's not his fault you know.

 

[Naruto.]

True. Kishi often forgets epic powerups when really needed, for plot's sake. :vincent:

 

[~Sky~]

Naruto had BSM for about 6 chapters I think. Nowhere near enough time to go all out in battle.

Still, if anything, BSM was by far the best sensory form in the manga.

Also, he was up against arguably the strongest character we've ever seen.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I said long ago that SM + BM wont lead to huge enhancement. Kurama has juubi chakra thus nature energy just as SM. It only a minor power up.
For example neither bm nor sm could empower juubi jin as he already has most powerful chakra.
Similar thing with bsm it only gives more chakra and slightly stronger one.

 

[adeshina365]

Naruto had BSM for about 6 chapters I think. Nowhere near enough time to go all out in battle.

Still, if anything, BSM was by far the best sensory form in the manga.

Also, he was up against arguably the strongest character we've ever seen.

Nope, 15 chapters.

 

[Oblivionx]

agreed with this thread to some extent...! when naruto got SM firstly, he was overpowered compared to his base mode...! and with kurama's chakra SM should have been devastating...! i personally was expecting BSM to be final power up for naruto but it turned out to be nothing compared to my expectations...!

 

[AGoodBoy]

That's all BSM was, A way to bypass omnyoudon. Stop listing to naruto fapboys, they always over exaggerate naruto's skill to the nth degree.

 

[RNITBmsage]

He hasn't really even used it yet. you could give him awhile to grab a few feats .

 

[adeshina365]

The manga has spoken, Senjutsu enhancement isn't all it was hyped up to be:

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[Transcendence]

Regardless of this, I believe my assertion of the whole "Rikudou Naruto" concept will come to fruition. Naruto is bound to get a lot more of the Juubi's chakra in the very near future as that is most likely what is setting up Obito's redemption. Nobody can seal the Kyuubi within Naruto on the battlefield anymore, and Obito taking the Juubi's chakra from Madara is a perfect ploy to save Naruto (as the Juubi's chakra contains the same chakra that Naruto lost). ​

 

[shelke]

You know I agree with you. I have been, lightly speaking, beating the dead horse on this base, that BSM added nothing other than availing jubito's natural weakness. I mean, it took him time to heal from a simple Senjutsu-based Rasangan. BM with SM would just allow the Bijuu Based attacks to work on Juubito. It's just that simple. I don't know what's wrong with this base.

 

[adeshina365]

Regardless of this, I believe my assertion of the whole "Rikudou Naruto" concept will come to fruition. Naruto is bound to get a lot more of the Juubi's chakra in the very near future as that is most likely what is setting up Obito's redemption. Nobody can seal the Kyuubi within Naruto on the battlefield anymore, and Obito taking the Juubi's chakra from Madara is a perfect ploy to save Naruto (as the Juubi's chakra contains the same chakra that Naruto lost). ​

Yes, this will probably happen.

You know I agree with you. I have been, lightly speaking, beating the dead horse on this base, that BSM added nothing other than availing jubito's natural weakness. I mean, it took him time to heal from a simple Senjutsu-based Rasangan. BM with SM would just allow the Bijuu Based attacks to work on Juubito. It's just that simple. I don't know what's wrong with this base.

I can still remember when some were saying that BSM guaranteed that Sasuke wouldn't be able to "catch-up" to Naruto.

Naruto and Sasuke are equals:

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[shelke]

^ Well, the manga has officially paralleled V3 Senjutsu Susano'o with BSM and by extension V3 with BM. It's funny, because it was Naruto who was originally having difficulty, not to mention the number of times Sasuke came to his aid, reacting faster than Minato who was about to use FTG.

 

[iNotorious]

Regardless of this, I believe my assertion of the whole "Rikudou Naruto" concept will come to fruition. Naruto is bound to get a lot more of the Juubi's chakra in the very near future as that is most likely what is setting up Obito's redemption. Nobody can seal the Kyuubi within Naruto on the battlefield anymore, and Obito taking the Juubi's chakra from Madara is a perfect ploy to save Naruto (as the Juubi's chakra contains the same chakra that Naruto lost). ​

That actually makes sense

 

[bashkim]

At the moment Sasuke is superior to Naruto.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Read this in my debate against Shelke for Naruto VS Sasuke. It contains BSM feats.

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Senjutsu:

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Let's take a look at the enhancement senjutsu brings. Here with base mode.

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Here's with a weak SM.

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Here's with a true SM.

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That's at least a 20X increase, arguably far more.


Here's a feat of durability. Here's what a slap from a 4-tailed Naruto can do.

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So imagine how hard Kurama hit SM Naruto.

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And he's completely fine. Can you imagine how may times stronger his durability had to have become?

Ninjutsu:

A simple KCM transfer with no visible change has more than 3X power boost, and a tailless cloak has far stronger enhancement, and as we know, a 1-tail cloak has even more enhancement.

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Curse mark enhances people on the same level, which is why ransengan and chidori canceled each other out.

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Curse mark is Orochimaru's senjutsu, but he wasn't a perfect sage like Naruto, therefore SM enhances ninjutsu a lot more than even that.


It goes without saying that if Naruto with BM enhanced by SM is a monster. Considering Naruto pinned down a SM enhanced susanoo, he's clearly stronger than Sasuke's PS when in BSM.

Naruto's power.

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Naruto blocked the juubi laser with his tails in BM despite the incredible destructive feats it had.

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As you can see, It made a trench at least 7 mountains thick. It also blasted through 9 TBBs like it was nothing. So imagine how much Naruto can block while in BSM. This can be used to guard his TBBs from Sasuke, enabling him to make huge attacks that Sasuke can't stop. Also, TBBs do not take long to make. Here it's indicated that their speed equals Sasuke's arrows.

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Therefore, rapidly firing them like this.

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means it doesn't take long at all to form them. Kurama also tanked a sage art massive ransengan.

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According to Naruto wiki using the databook as a source, Jiraya's SM massive ransengan can hollow out mountains if it exploded. Naruto's SM is stronger, therefore, his massive ransengan that Kurama tankes was even stronger than Jiraya's. In other words, it was Kirin level, and BSM Naruto can easily tank Kirin.

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Here's some destructive feats Naruto's shown. A barrier blocked a TBB from the juubi. Obito tore it down with chakra arms, but a combined ransengan from BSM Naruto and BM Minato overpowered them, even though they were thicker than the ones used to destroy the barrier. Naruto contributed at least half the power in that attack.

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It also cracked one of Obito's orbs.

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Please bear in mind that 4 of these blocked 4 massive TBBs without a scratch.

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This means that unless the effect of the orbs is exponential, BSM ransengan slightly>1/2 those massive TBBs


The argument "This happened because senjutsu is Obito's weakness" is completely misguided. It forgets why Obito's weak against senjutsu.

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In other words, the juubi's( and by extension Obito's) attacks are senjutsu. To put it simply, if Obito's orbs are weakened by senjutsu, then his own attacks would weaken his orbs, which means that Naruto's BSM ransengan is still>1/2 of those massive TBBs.


PS has a limit of 4 arms. Naruto can fire 5 TBBs rapidly. Therefore, Sasuke may be able to reduce the damage of 4 of them, but 1 full TBB will get through and take its full effect.


In other words, in taijutsu, longe range, and CQB with chakra avatars, Naruto dominates Sasuke. There is no area Sasuke's better at and will inevitably loose to BSM Naruto.