Smh Minato.
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Re: Minato went into Sage Mode really fast
He was gathering nature chakra while Obito and Madara were talking. Why would you assume something stupid like that? XD
He was gathering nature chakra while Obito and Madara were talking. Why would you assume something stupid like that? XD
Re: Minato went into Sage Mode really fast
People are probably going to give Minato Naruto's SM feats now.
People are probably going to give Minato Naruto's SM feats now.
Because there was no indication of him gathering Nature energy, he just did it out of nowhere.
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so the big wall that gaara made and chirodi the kakashi had in his were all for decoration right
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Re: Minato went into Sage Mode really fast
Well he was still for a really long time listening to Obito and Madara talk for quite awhile..
Minato entering Sage Mode fast? No he was building up Chakra for it while they were chatting.
Just speaking the truth.
Well he was still for a really long time listening to Obito and Madara talk for quite awhile..
Minato entering Sage Mode fast? No he was building up Chakra for it while they were chatting.
Just speaking the truth.
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because he was to scared to fight Madara that why he's been spectating for like 10 mangas, He had to come to Minato, kakashi and gaara already knew what was up
Sennin of Logic
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Re: Minato using Sage Mode is a crap excuse and total a** pull from no where
What I meant was that Jiraya took him there. Anyway, Jiraya's the one who got it first which is probably why Minato thinks of it as "Jiraya sensei's jutsu."
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Senjustu Minato
i so called minato having sage mode, i probably wasnt the only one or the first but in the past i definitely said he had it, being the student of jiraiya how couldnt he...i do want to see him do more with it, maybe he came make a rasengan with his FEET, jk but seriously, anything is possible in the naruto universe so what special attacks may minato have, is his stronger than naruto's..discuss down below
i so called minato having sage mode, i probably wasnt the only one or the first but in the past i definitely said he had it, being the student of jiraiya how couldnt he...i do want to see him do more with it, maybe he came make a rasengan with his FEET, jk but seriously, anything is possible in the naruto universe so what special attacks may minato have, is his stronger than naruto's..discuss down below
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Re: Minato went into Sage Mode really fast
I was actually thinking the same as the guys above you. Then I realized something. If he was taking in SM energy all that time, he would have disrupted the prep for SM when he threw the kunai.
I was actually thinking the same as the guys above you. Then I realized something. If he was taking in SM energy all that time, he would have disrupted the prep for SM when he threw the kunai.
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Re: Senjustu Minato
I would like to state that only opponents with rikudos power can make minato look like a fodder. As you can see rinnegan madara(alive) took out the entire army in two chapters. But you don't hear people hating on hashirama tobirama and sasuke. Who all got one paneled.
I would like to state that only opponents with rikudos power can make minato look like a fodder. As you can see rinnegan madara(alive) took out the entire army in two chapters. But you don't hear people hating on hashirama tobirama and sasuke. Who all got one paneled.
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Re: Minato went into Sage Mode really fast
Hashirama went into Sage Mode near instantly as well, it's not like it's an anomaly in NV or anything. Plus we usually see some sort of indication when someone is absorbing Nature Energy.
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Re: Minato fanboys are annoying as hell today.
Foreshadowed or not, Minato having SM and KCM utterly destroys what makes Naruto so special. I man seriously this isn't Minato Shippuden!
The differnce is we have Minato, a guy we are finally getting to see fight. Instead of coming up with a list of new and unseen jutsu (possibly Uzumaki taught) He keeps popping out with Naruto's Techs and abilities? That is just terrible writing.
Kishi could have given Minato a host of new jutsu. We only really new 2 or 3 of his techs before he died. He was the 4th so it's safe to assume he knew other techs. Don't go and give him everything that Naruto worked so hard to obtain just because he is his father. It's lazy and unorginial writing.
That's because hashirama's Sage Mode isn't Frog Sage Mode. He gathers Senjutsu Chakra through Mokuton so he can move while the wood gathers Nature Chakra. This is why Hashi can enter sage mode while fighting. Frog Sage mode specifically states that you need to be still to gather Nature chakra for Frog Sage Mode.
You aren't the only one who's butthurt. I sh*t all over this freaking chapter. I was so pissed when Minato 1st introduced KCM. After all that training which watched Naruto go through he then just suddenly has access to this? Now Sage Mode? I used to like Minato. But honestly bringing him back was an absolute huge mistake. Espiecally the way Kishi keeps rippoing of naruto's hard earned techs and just handing them to Minato.
Foreshadowed or not, Minato having SM and KCM utterly destroys what makes Naruto so special. I man seriously this isn't Minato Shippuden!
That's because the guys you mentioned used their own jutsu. We knew they had this. We knew that would display their abilities at some point. Sasuke didn't just suddenly use kamui beceause it's a Sharingan Tech, Tobirama didn't just suddenly have Mokuton because he is the brother of Hashirama, Hashirama, well his dna can do anything so it would surprise me if he suddenly popped out that Omnyidan or whatever it's called but it still would be an A**pull.
The differnce is we have Minato, a guy we are finally getting to see fight. Instead of coming up with a list of new and unseen jutsu (possibly Uzumaki taught) He keeps popping out with Naruto's Techs and abilities? That is just terrible writing.
Kishi could have given Minato a host of new jutsu. We only really new 2 or 3 of his techs before he died. He was the 4th so it's safe to assume he knew other techs. Don't go and give him everything that Naruto worked so hard to obtain just because he is his father. It's lazy and unorginial writing.
That's because hashirama's Sage Mode isn't Frog Sage Mode. He gathers Senjutsu Chakra through Mokuton so he can move while the wood gathers Nature Chakra. This is why Hashi can enter sage mode while fighting. Frog Sage mode specifically states that you need to be still to gather Nature chakra for Frog Sage Mode.
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[Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
Hello guys, I would like to try cover all possible plotholes with Minato having sage mode. For this reason I created my own thread to show you my explanation and let's you decide if you can accept such explanation or no. I am not Kishi so please take me lightly. Here I go:
^^ Since the moment Naruto has wrote his name at Toad contract scroll we are aware that besides Jirayia there were other toad summoners who signed contract with toad.
^^ Minato shown that he can summon even Chief of toad summons called Gamabunta so he clearly matches this basic absolute requirement.
^^ Here even Minato's name is shown typed on the scroll.
^^ Lord Fukusaku only mentions Jirayia, when he speaks about Senjutsu and this could be alright as Minato does not need to be mentioned in that example. However Fukusaku calling Jirayia's ability to use Senjutsu as impressive make me confused a bit.
I see only two possible explanations:
- Jirayia/Fukusaku has shown Minato only basic of Senjutsu then Minato complete this training alone without appearing any more in front of Fukusaku.
- Kishimoto didn't plan to give Minato's SM at this point and want to keep is as secret to surprise us. Besides a little was known about Fourth Hokage at this point.
^^retconn and proof that Fukusaku at least met Minato and that Minato was Sage. Interesting fact is that Fukusaku said Naruto surprassed all these who came before him so at this point we could only expect Incomplete Sage mode.
^^ The problem begins here that when Minato appeared in front of Naruto, he still didn't even mention about Naruto surprassing him in Sage mode or that he is surprised that Naruto learned SM as well.
However again this times power of Naruto's development was not main focus of Naruto's talk with Fourth Hokage. The main focus was about masked man + some relationship.
^^ The moment Minato appeared then he right away entered Nine tails chakra mode as there was not need for SM.
^^ Until 642 chapter they haven't known about Senjutsu being weakness of Ten tails host. However When Minato turned his face to Naruto he was not surprised but said: "Naruto you ?"... most likely he meant: "Naruto, you too ?". I think he was surprised that Naruto can also enter Sage mode but his speech implied that there is room for Minato to thinking about himself as well.
^^ Here is the manga scan which make most of people confused about it. However I believe Kishi used trick here, just watch as Minato says: ""He can use the same senjutsu as Jiraiya Sensei ?!". To me it looks like Minato was interrupted by Dark Yin Kurama before he could finish sentence which most likely cound ends with "and me". Even if you disagree with me at this point then Kishi still left himself room/space here to insert explanation if he gives Minato SM.
^^ Until this point Minato has some moment with his son or was constantly attacked by Juubi Jinchurki Obito who didn't give the time to enter SM. Here is also where Naruto entered BSM for first time, now some people will argue that Minato didn't need to leave BM to enter SM but use BSM. However Kishi again left himself here space/ room to pull explanation:
- Most likely Minato lacked expierience with two modes(SM and BM) to even think about combining them.
- Kishimoto didn't want to destroy Naruto's great moment with new powerup.
I am more convinced with first explanation. Now if Minato could not enter BSM then BM was much more effective then SM at this point as Naruto already utilized SM chakra long with his BM so SM Minato would do little to noone damage while BM Minato would power up Naruto's attack greatly.
^^ Minato knows about Senjutsu and how it works(yes it special hint left by Kishi). If it was just that he heard from Jirayia or it was known that Jirayia can use Senjutsu then there would be no need for Minato to know how it work. Here he knows exactly how it works and that senjtusu chakra can be added to technique.
^^ Minato using BM was much more needed and effective as Naruto needed just raw power to power up his TBB even more while Sage chakra was already inputed here.
^^ Here Minato express his worry and sadness that his chakra was almost completly drained from him, in other words SM would be out of question.
^^ Here Minato transfers last bit of his chakra to Naruto so he becomes chakraless.
^^ Minato just stand here as he trasfered last of his chakra to restore Naruto's Kurama chakra sucked by The God Tree.
^^ Minato restores his chakra finally and return to help Alliance. Again he is using BM as raw power is needed to pull tailed beasts while SM would be useless at this point.
^^ Tailed beasts were extracted from Obito as he lost his status as Juubi Jinchurki. Anyway notice how fast Minato arrived to stop Kakashi especially when he was not even moving when Sasuke was runining towards Obito to finish him. Kakashi just got out of Kamui readly to finish and just in next second/seconds Minato stopped him appearing from nowhere.
^^ Minato leaves Madara to Naruto while he along with Kakashi will guard Obito.
^^ Here Minato and Kakashi are forced to fight Black Zetsu possesing Obito's body. Everything is happening very fast so there is no time for anything. Minato and Kakashi didn't even make any move which shows how fast pace of story was.
^^ Here Minato was still shown in Nine tails chakra mode.. and he had no reason to use SM because Kurama chakra is simply stronger.
^^ The problem appears here sadly. If Minato didn't want to use Kurama chakra or save it then there is no reason he could not enter SM. Well honestly I see only two explanations:
- Either he didn't want to kill Obito and SM power would be too much
- Kishi didn't want to show Minato's SM offscreen as it would destroy surprise effect and make readers confused.
^^ Finally Minato displays Senjutsu.
^^ Minato was constantly keeping seal to stop Kyuubi from releasing. It could most likely suck a lot of chakra from him.
^^ Minato being distracted by trap of Masked Man. He is distracted before focusing on seal or saving his son right away which didn't give too much time to do anything.
^^ Minato was forced to get out with his son right away to save baby
^^ Minato return to save Kushina and right away get away again to place her in safe place.
^^ Minato just appeared and he is already forced to teleport giant Kurama TBB with his Space time barrier
^^ Minato get attacked right away by Masked Man then Masked Man appear in front of him just second later.
Now some people will save that while conversion Fourth has time to enter SM and this may be possible but even if speech in manga looked to last some time then in anime it was very short moment after it Minato and Masked Man began their fight using speed.
^^ Minato just appeared and was forced to summon Gamabunta which greatly depleted his chakra amount for sure. At this point he has little chakra to enter SM as nature energy could overhelm him.
^^ Minato teleport Kyuubi and TBB made by Kyuubi using remaning amount of his chakra.
^^ Minato has little chakra and is in bad condition as shown.
^^ Minato decides to use Dead demon seal to seal Kurama as last mehtod to deal with Kyuubi. Sage mode would be not even important or doing anything at this point.
WARNING : MY EXPLANATION MAKES SENSE HOW LONG AS YOU BELIEVE MINATO COULD NOT USE BSM... EITHER BM, KCM OR SM.
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Hello guys, I would like to try cover all possible plotholes with Minato having sage mode. For this reason I created my own thread to show you my explanation and let's you decide if you can accept such explanation or no. I am not Kishi so please take me lightly. Here I go:
Absolute Requirement(Toad contract) :
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^^ Since the moment Naruto has wrote his name at Toad contract scroll we are aware that besides Jirayia there were other toad summoners who signed contract with toad.
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^^ Minato shown that he can summon even Chief of toad summons called Gamabunta so he clearly matches this basic absolute requirement.
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^^ Here even Minato's name is shown typed on the scroll.
First Mention of Senjutsu :
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^^ Lord Fukusaku only mentions Jirayia, when he speaks about Senjutsu and this could be alright as Minato does not need to be mentioned in that example. However Fukusaku calling Jirayia's ability to use Senjutsu as impressive make me confused a bit.
I see only two possible explanations:
- Jirayia/Fukusaku has shown Minato only basic of Senjutsu then Minato complete this training alone without appearing any more in front of Fukusaku.
- Kishimoto didn't plan to give Minato's SM at this point and want to keep is as secret to surprise us. Besides a little was known about Fourth Hokage at this point.
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^^retconn and proof that Fukusaku at least met Minato and that Minato was Sage. Interesting fact is that Fukusaku said Naruto surprassed all these who came before him so at this point we could only expect Incomplete Sage mode.
Minato's First appearance :
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^^ The problem begins here that when Minato appeared in front of Naruto, he still didn't even mention about Naruto surprassing him in Sage mode or that he is surprised that Naruto learned SM as well.
However again this times power of Naruto's development was not main focus of Naruto's talk with Fourth Hokage. The main focus was about masked man + some relationship.
Minato's True appearance as Edo Tensei :
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^^ The moment Minato appeared then he right away entered Nine tails chakra mode as there was not need for SM.
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^^ Until 642 chapter they haven't known about Senjutsu being weakness of Ten tails host. However When Minato turned his face to Naruto he was not surprised but said: "Naruto you ?"... most likely he meant: "Naruto, you too ?". I think he was surprised that Naruto can also enter Sage mode but his speech implied that there is room for Minato to thinking about himself as well.
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^^ Here is the manga scan which make most of people confused about it. However I believe Kishi used trick here, just watch as Minato says: ""He can use the same senjutsu as Jiraiya Sensei ?!". To me it looks like Minato was interrupted by Dark Yin Kurama before he could finish sentence which most likely cound ends with "and me". Even if you disagree with me at this point then Kishi still left himself room/space here to insert explanation if he gives Minato SM.
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^^ Until this point Minato has some moment with his son or was constantly attacked by Juubi Jinchurki Obito who didn't give the time to enter SM. Here is also where Naruto entered BSM for first time, now some people will argue that Minato didn't need to leave BM to enter SM but use BSM. However Kishi again left himself here space/ room to pull explanation:
- Most likely Minato lacked expierience with two modes(SM and BM) to even think about combining them.
- Kishimoto didn't want to destroy Naruto's great moment with new powerup.
I am more convinced with first explanation. Now if Minato could not enter BSM then BM was much more effective then SM at this point as Naruto already utilized SM chakra long with his BM so SM Minato would do little to noone damage while BM Minato would power up Naruto's attack greatly.
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^^ Minato knows about Senjutsu and how it works(yes it special hint left by Kishi). If it was just that he heard from Jirayia or it was known that Jirayia can use Senjutsu then there would be no need for Minato to know how it work. Here he knows exactly how it works and that senjtusu chakra can be added to technique.
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^^ Minato using BM was much more needed and effective as Naruto needed just raw power to power up his TBB even more while Sage chakra was already inputed here.
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^^ Here Minato express his worry and sadness that his chakra was almost completly drained from him, in other words SM would be out of question.
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^^ Here Minato transfers last bit of his chakra to Naruto so he becomes chakraless.
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^^ Minato just stand here as he trasfered last of his chakra to restore Naruto's Kurama chakra sucked by The God Tree.
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^^ Minato restores his chakra finally and return to help Alliance. Again he is using BM as raw power is needed to pull tailed beasts while SM would be useless at this point.
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^^ Tailed beasts were extracted from Obito as he lost his status as Juubi Jinchurki. Anyway notice how fast Minato arrived to stop Kakashi especially when he was not even moving when Sasuke was runining towards Obito to finish him. Kakashi just got out of Kamui readly to finish and just in next second/seconds Minato stopped him appearing from nowhere.
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^^ Minato leaves Madara to Naruto while he along with Kakashi will guard Obito.
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^^ Here Minato and Kakashi are forced to fight Black Zetsu possesing Obito's body. Everything is happening very fast so there is no time for anything. Minato and Kakashi didn't even make any move which shows how fast pace of story was.
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^^ Here Minato was still shown in Nine tails chakra mode.. and he had no reason to use SM because Kurama chakra is simply stronger.
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^^ The problem appears here sadly. If Minato didn't want to use Kurama chakra or save it then there is no reason he could not enter SM. Well honestly I see only two explanations:
- Either he didn't want to kill Obito and SM power would be too much
- Kishi didn't want to show Minato's SM offscreen as it would destroy surprise effect and make readers confused.
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^^ Finally Minato displays Senjutsu.
Flashback of Minato's fight against Masked Man and Kyuubi :
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^^ Minato was constantly keeping seal to stop Kyuubi from releasing. It could most likely suck a lot of chakra from him.
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^^ Minato being distracted by trap of Masked Man. He is distracted before focusing on seal or saving his son right away which didn't give too much time to do anything.
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^^ Minato was forced to get out with his son right away to save baby
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^^ Minato return to save Kushina and right away get away again to place her in safe place.
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^^ Minato just appeared and he is already forced to teleport giant Kurama TBB with his Space time barrier
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^^ Minato get attacked right away by Masked Man then Masked Man appear in front of him just second later.
Now some people will save that while conversion Fourth has time to enter SM and this may be possible but even if speech in manga looked to last some time then in anime it was very short moment after it Minato and Masked Man began their fight using speed.
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^^ Minato just appeared and was forced to summon Gamabunta which greatly depleted his chakra amount for sure. At this point he has little chakra to enter SM as nature energy could overhelm him.
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^^ Minato teleport Kyuubi and TBB made by Kyuubi using remaning amount of his chakra.
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^^ Minato has little chakra and is in bad condition as shown.
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^^ Minato decides to use Dead demon seal to seal Kurama as last mehtod to deal with Kyuubi. Sage mode would be not even important or doing anything at this point.
WARNING : MY EXPLANATION MAKES SENSE HOW LONG AS YOU BELIEVE MINATO COULD NOT USE BSM... EITHER BM, KCM OR SM.
Summary :
- There is possible leggit and not farfetched explanation how Minato got Sage mode and why he has never used it until now
- Kishi left only subtle hints why Minato could be Sage. It requires a lot of perceptive skills focus while reading manga to notice them
- Kishi took very bad timming to reveal Sage mode Minato and it could be made better
- If Minato was unable to use BSM then he has not chance to use SM as BM and KCM was much more effective in long run.
- Minato lacked expierience with Jinchurki powers as well as SM so that why he left is as last resort powers to use.
- Minato's combat style was depending on speed involved FTG technique to kill opponent without need of flash techniques or explosions
- Minato has little to no time to use SM in battle against Masked Man then also against Kyuubi
- Possible plot hole or very farfetched could be that Minato didn't use SM against Black Zetsu possesing Obito as Minato was not using Kurama chakra at this time, but maybe Kishi didn't want to confuse us by making battle offscreen with Minato in SM
- Minato should have Imperfect Sage mode instead of Perfect Sage mode. Unless as genius and prodigy he found way to complete his Sage training beyond Myobokuzan and still was able to avoid changing into toad
- Of course most likely Kishi didn't plan to give Minato SM and it was just decision on spot instead of being well thought-out but still Kishi played smart and left himself room/space to insert explanation
- Minato having SM makes sense as he singed Toad contract, has big amount of chakra and was directly trained by Jirayia
- Kishi should left more hints of Minato having possible Sage mode instead of hiding it so long
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