The real reason why Itachi & Kisame fled from Jiraiya

[Mystikk]

Itachi is my fav. And jaraiya is a great shinobi.. I believe they are even if itachi fought pain he wouldve did the same damage as jaraiya ... Then died because of his illness.

 

[End of Days]

Shit tier arguments

 

[Mitarashi]

Sound Genjutsu solo's them both.
Don't be mad.

MS won't save him either, since Rinnegan > MS and it didn't work

 

[VongolaX]

The fact that both of them individually can beat Jiraiya.

Kisame took out Roshi a jinchuuriki, and he gave killer bee a hard time to the point he had no chakra left.

Using both v1 and v2 at full power (transformation restricted), Kisame matched it before transforming.

If Jiraiya was facing bee in just v1, he would get steamrolled (yes, Sage mode too).

Kekkai genkai and bijuu level chakra aren't losing to Jiraiya.

 

[VongolaX]

Sound Genjutsu solo's them both.
Don't be mad.

MS won't save him either, since Rinnegan > MS and it didn't work

MS >>> rinnegan in genjustu, while Rinnegan>>>> Ms in ninjustu.

So don't get that mixed up, Rinnegan doesn't give you resistance to genjustu only sharingan users/MS/EMS

 

[Mitarashi]

MS >>> rinnegan in genjustu, while Rinnegan>>>> Ms in ninjustu.

So don't get that mixed up, Rinnegan doesn't give you resistance to genjustu only sharingan users/MS/EMS

Scans of this please.
Show me the scans where it says the eye that evolves from MS is inferior to it.
Please.

 

[To Whatever]

The fact that both of them individually can beat Jiraiya.

Kisame took out Roshi a jinchuuriki, and he gave killer bee a hard time to the point he had no chakra left.

Using both v1 and v2 at full power (transformation restricted), Kisame matched it before transforming.

If Jiraiya was facing bee in just v1, he would get steamrolled (yes, Sage mode too).

Kekkai genkai and bijuu level chakra aren't losing to Jiraiya.

The J-Man in Sage Mode would of killed bee if he just went v1. If killer bee went higher then it would result in him having to end it with Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

The same goes for Kisame.

You act as if Jiraiya is going to let people go into their final forms instantly. The only person who has a chance of doing that is Killer Bee because his is near instant.

even if his Sage Mode wasn't perfect he still reaps the benefits of it.

With the J-Man's knowledge of genjustu, Sage mode, and arsenal, he's a near perfect counter for Itachi or any Ms user.

But even if non-transformed Kisame and v1 Killer Bee beat him, the point is that Itachi would lose to Jiraiya with high difficulty

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

Looks like you are going to have to read/watch the manga/anime, since u think, they had a confrontation in the leaf village and Itachi "solo'd" the "strongest" clan by himself.
Also Naruto 4-tails cloak hurting Jiraiya isnt an actually fight since we only know that jiraya was only seriously injured, so dont use that part as a exception.
Tbh, Itachi was also a spy in Akatsuki

 

[Zato]

Why would Itachi try and kill J-Man if he was trying to PROTECT Konoha... Do we forget that Kakashi himself was wondering why Itachi didn't kill him within the Tsukuyomi? He stated himself that Itachi could have killed him but didn't. We obviously know the reason now that Itachi's goals has been revealed. Also you would have to be insane to think Jiraiya could beat Itachi in a real 1v1. It would be a nice little fight but in a 1v1 Itachi would force Jiraiya to retreat. Susanoo is way too strong for Jiraiya.

 

[Xāvî1]

Itachi never wanted to start a fight against jiraiya in the first place... if he wanted he could have easily defeated jiraiya.. since itachi is already stronger then orochimaru

 

[-ahhimane-]

There's no need for you to find reasons because Itachi himself said that they both don't have any chance against Jiraiya. Itachi knows his own limits. That explains he knows Kisame's limits as well.
Plus Itachi was reserving his chakra for the moment when Sasuke kills him. Against Jiraiya he would be close to the death.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

There's no need for you to find reasons because Itachi himself said that they both don't have any chance against Jiraiya. Itachi knows his own limits. That explains he knows Kisame's limits as well.

Itachi>J man...U_U.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Itachi>J man...U_U.

you failed to mention healthy Itachi.
But Itachi was never healthy in the first place in the manga

 

[VongolaX]

Scans of this please.
Show me the scans where it says the eye that evolves from MS is inferior to it.
Please.

Post of where I typed inferior :|

Nowhere in the manga has it said that rinnegan can resist all genjustus

 

[VongolaX]

The J-Man in Sage Mode would of killed bee if he just went v1. If killer bee went higher then it would result in him having to end it with Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

The same goes for Kisame.

You act as if Jiraiya is going to let people go into their final forms instantly. The only person who has a chance of doing that is Killer Bee because his is near instant.

even if his Sage Mode wasn't perfect he still reaps the benefits of it.

With the J-Man's knowledge of genjustu, Sage mode, and arsenal, he's a near perfect counter for Itachi or any Ms user.

But even if non-transformed Kisame and v1 Killer Bee beat him, the point is that Itachi would lose to Jiraiya with high difficulty

MS users are going to falter to the frog genjustu technique :|

Uchihas are going to get beaten by a genjustu technique :|

I'm not taking this serious, not one bit...

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Kisame is inferior and Itachi wasn't sure he could win, simple as that U_U

and i'm absolutely ready to counter any post ANYONE can make with Manga scans about this matter.

 

[Haizaki]

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How then would itachi win....orochimaru was too obsessed that's why he always lost...he wanted the sharingan badly and could never compose himself against itachi

 

[Haizaki]

Why would Itachi try and kill J-Man if he was trying to PROTECT Konoha... Do we forget that Kakashi himself was wondering why Itachi didn't kill him within the Tsukuyomi? He stated himself that Itachi could have killed him but didn't. We obviously know the reason now that Itachi's goals has been revealed. Also you would have to be insane to think Jiraiya could beat Itachi in a real 1v1. It would be a nice little fight but in a 1v1 Itachi would force Jiraiya to retreat. Susanoo is way too strong for Jiraiya.

Show me scans of kakashi saying itachi could have killed him but didn't..Tsukuyomi doesn't have to kill you..it causes mental damage...why then did he tell kisame to get rid of the other 2 and take kakashi with them..why then did he try to separate jman from naruto when he could have just owned him?...people read too much to these things forgetting it's just manga...the writer has ways of revealing things to us..he won't just start random fights just for us to know who's stronger...if he did..everyone in the NV would have fought each other just for us to who's stronger

 

[Tera Path]

I really don't understand why people seem to think Jiraiya can solo Itachi & Kisame. That's idiodic to me.
Agree
Itachi never admitted he was completey inferior to Jiraiya. Do you know why Itachi & Jiraiya fled from their sence with Jiraiya?
You mean Itachi and Kisame.
Not sure what a sence is either.

1: Itachi, being a Genius of course. Chose the perfect decision in the most appropriate situation to withdraw & leave the village.
Agree

If he & Kisame would of stayed & fought Jiraiya do you even know what would happen? Reinforcments all around the Leaf Village would of came in Jiraiya's aid responding to the fight happening inside the village & Itachi & Kisame would end up fighting everyone in Konoha.
Agree
Itachi & Kisame cannot defeat the entire Leaf Village all at once.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did, most of the village is just a bunch of kunai throwing fodders.

Wouldn't be surprisded although considering he solo-ed the Leaf Village's most powerful clan all by himself when he was like 16...
Disagree, it was all assassination together with Obito.
Only a fool would stay & fight on enemy territory.
Agree
2: Itachi & Kisame were only responding to the hype that he has heard about Jiraiya considering Jiraiya is a famous ninja. Sannin after all.
Agree
But that doesn't mean sh-t seeing how he solo-ed the strongest Sannin in Part 1 with one technique... again WHILE he was like 16!
Disagree, Orochimaru is just too weak to fight a genjutsu user, can't even escape the most simple of genjutsus.....
It's just his weakness.

& to even compare Itachi Uchiha to Jiraiya is just mere disrespect to his reputation.
Uhm, hell no. Jiraiya's reputation is far better than Itachi's. His rep in power is just a bit higher than Jiraiya's due to his MS techniques with extreme drawbacks.

Jiraiya almost died trying to stop 4 Tailed Naruto!! While on the other hand a sick, eroding body Orochimaru easily fended him off.
This is retarded, Orochimaru was trying to take Naruto and use him, and not to mention Orochimaru could virtually shapeshift himself to fight him, along with summoning thousands of snakes to try to fend him off. Jiraiya tried to come in to stop him from entering a 5-9 tailed state, not try to kill him or anything like that.
Orochimaru even stated he would of finished Naruto if it werent for his body reaching is his limit. (Body rejecting him)
The best Orochimaru could do is try to place a curse mark on Naruto or try to take his body, he can't do more than that.
& again who solo-ed Orochimaru in part 1? How does that work..?
Well certainly it doesn't work with A>B>C logic.
Jiraiya can't even defeat Itachi point blank. Throwing in Kisame as well would be an absolute overkill.
Actually Jiraiya is equal or stronger in most categories with Itachi, except for Genjutsu and Uchiha techniques (Obviously).
Just a few MS Techniques from Itachi and Itachi has already exhausted himself. Jiraiya in SM could easily win in every category except for Genjutsu against Itachi.
But logically Itachi + Kisame vs Jiraiya would not be a pretty sight, Jiraiya would get destroyed, unless his summoned turtle is also magnificent at fighting.

Sh-t back in Part 1 Itachi was using Amatersu just to clear a wall! That says something about his stamina back then.
Doesn't say anything, all it says is that he is able to use Amaterasu.
Either way, he had no choice, he had to escape, so the only way to escape was to use Amaterasu or to pull out a Susano'o to try to destroy the wall, but that would use even more chakra.

I didn't excatly read the Manga Page before making this thread so hopefully theirs no screw ups

I just used what I remembered back then from watching it as a kid.. lol

Just had to make this point clear.

Points @Bold.