[VS] Tobirama Vs Minato

[Mattek2008]

Who would win in a 1v1?

Minato's advantages :

Rasengan (Can be formed instantly, without hand seals)

Superior Shunshin speed (Not sure how usefull this will be sense both of them rely on FTG)

Space time barrier (Can Tobirama use this?)

Uzumaki Sealing tech's (Probably won't do anything good against Tobirama...unless he uses Edo's)

Toad summonings (Gamabunta, probably Ma and Pa)

Tobirama's advantages :

Superior Chakra levels, due to Senju heritage

Experience (Tobirama was definatly older than Minato at his time of death, and he spent his whole life in war)

Edo Tensei (Weaker version than Oro/Kabuto, but can use the infinite exploding bombs tech)

Suiton Mastery (Serves as an answer to Minato's rasengan i guess, he can preform high pressure water streams with a single handseal)

I'm not sure who has the fastest reaction time...

As for analytical skills, they're pretty even. Although Tobirama has been portraied as the one with more knowledge, during this arc, where he knew of things like Onmyoton. And he was able to keep calm and stay focused, allthough the revelation of Obito surely impacted Minato, and i think this hindered his combat ability greatly.

Overall, they're almost equal. It's very close, but who would win in a 1v1? I'd say Minato, 6/10 times. Mainly because of Rasengan...It just fits his combat style with FTG perfect.

Thoughts?

Edit* As of chapter 665, Minato has Sage Mode. Yeah xD, now i definatly think he wins this.

 

[Penguin]

You are pretty unbiased. I agree with what you said. Although Tobirama has better reactions. xD

 

[DemonicAvenger]

They're relatively equal with Kuchiyose restricted (Edo's and Toads). Though I lean towards Minato.​

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[Touken]

You are pretty unbiased.

Agreed with this. It's very rare seeing that when a Minato fanboy is discussing Tobirama vs. Minato.

@OT, I lean more towards Tobirama, but that's probably because he's one of my favourite characters xD It's definitely extreme high diff either way though, they're more or less equals.

 

[Touken]

You see this?

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HEADBUTT IT.

Wow, Tim. Are you not familiar with mercy? D:

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

A never ending battle until one makes a grave error.

 

[Bogard]

I believe Minato has faster reactions since he was capable to go around Obito's automatic defense that 4Kage level shinobis with speedsters like Naruto couldn't. He also slammed around Raikage's V2. Tobirama's reaction feat against Jubito was good as well, but it costed him, not to mention his opponent was mindless to see/think about the opponent counter-attack, so basically the similar thing Minato brought up when Kakashi used chidori against the iwagakure shinobi [

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] He wasn't even caring about being slammed around by Hashirama's long range gates in that state. For example, we've seen how difficult it was for him to tag a slower and weaker opponent in everything like Madara. The presence of brain simplify things

 

[Mattek2008]

Agreed with this. It's very rare seeing that when a Minato fanboy is discussing Tobirama vs. Minato.

@OT, I lean more towards Tobirama, but that's probably because he's one of my favourite characters xD It's definitely extreme high diff either way though, they're more or less equals.

I'm not a Minato fanboy, he's just in my profile picture because i'm a noob and can't find any other cool ones xD.

 

[Mattek2008]

A never ending battle until one makes a grave error.

Which would be Minato, sense he has less stamina....

 

[Gold Lightning]

Nice thread OP

I always say the prepped Kunai give's Minato quite the advantage with FTG versatility. I wouldn't factor toads or Zombies in a battle between the two. I see it as a battle of speed, whoever is faster wins. Both have similar reaction speeds but different foot body flicker speeds in MInato's favor. Utilizing FTG I say Minato winds majority of the time. I don't believe any long range techniques will work on either of the two, it's probably a CQC battle.

 

[Mattek2008]

Nice thread OP

I always say the prepped Kunai give's Minato quite the advantage with FTG versatility. I wouldn't factor toads or Zombies in a battle between the two. I see it as a battle of speed, whoever is faster wins. Both have similar reaction speeds but different foot body flicker speeds in MInato's favor. Utilizing FTG I say Minato winds majority of the time. I don't believe any long range techniques will work on either of the two, it's probably a CQC battle.

It is indeed a close matchup . Summonings like Gamabunta serve as more of a distraction, imo.

Uhh...As to who has the fastest reactions....I'd say that they are both at the peak of human reaction speed. In other words, equal. The thing that made Minato known as the fastest in history is probably his reaction time + his body flicker. So, Minato is faster than Tobirama by a tiny bit.

Still not sure who'd win, they both outshine eachother in certain aspects...Ugghhh it's so close!! But still, i'd give it to Minato 6/10 times, like i said before.

 

[Ababeel]

Minato win.
The manga made it clear that he's superior to Tobirama.


Both of these ninja are relying heavily on their teleporting jutsus, FTG. However, Minato is greater than Tobirama with the teleporting jutsus as Tobirama admitted in two places, [

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]. However, some people may argue 2 things. The first is that FTG cannot be slower since it's a teleporting jutsu. However, that was proven wrong by Tobirama himself [

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Not only that, but Tobirama even praised Minato for being fast at striking as well [

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]. While Tobirama showed the usage of 1 Kunai against madara, Minato uses a lot of them during the battle, examples of that would be his fight against A & B or his fight in the 3rd War [

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]. Based on that Minato is as proved by Tobirama himself is indeed better, especially that Minato was praised to be the fastest ever, while Tobirama was praised to be the the fastest during his area. Thus, Minato's teleporting jutsus that he shared with Tobirama give him the edge because oh his mastery over them like FTG, and Goshun Mawashi. I may argue that Minato's slashes with the Kunais are also better than that of Tobirama, since when Minato attacks there is no window to dodge as with tobirama, examples of that are [

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As for defenses cases, Minato's greatest defensive moves is his S/T barrier which can deal with moves as strong and the TBB [

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That's in term of their teleportation jutsus (other than the Water Wall) which they rely on heavily. Both of them are sensor type ninje, they can sense the chakra by their fingers or not. Both have clones, and can use the 4 suns barrier, so they are more or less even in this regard. However, those feats a long side the previous ones are more than half of Tobirama's arsenal.

As for offensive moves, Tobirama also has his Water Severing Wave which was able to cut throw some of the Tree's branches. However, we saw a lot of things can cut throw them, and that's include some stuff like a normal swords like that of the Samurais, so it does not really prove how powerful this jutsu is. Minato on the other hand has his Rasengan that was able to damage obito's heavily despite he has Hashirama's cells, but he lost his arm and the earth service underneath him was completely destroyed. So, by feats, the Rasengan has a greater offensive power than Tobirama's jutsu.

Another jutsu that Tobirama has is his Water Dragon [

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]. But even than fells short against Minato's Food Cart Destroyer jutsu that was able to put even Kurama down for a while.

One of Tobirama's most powerful jutses is Edo Tensei. However, he does not really have feats with it, and we have no idea what kind of people that he can summon. However, we know that by Kabuto's statement even Oro's part 1 ET was greater than that of Tobirama's, so I would assume that Tobirama's ET was not meant for the power of the summoned people, but rather for his strongest offensive move which is Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags.

Now, Minato also has a summoning jutsu, but instead of summoning the dead, he summons the frogs. Unlike the Tobirama's case we actually know the frogs and we know their jutsus.

As Tobirama's feats and jutsus stop as far as this. Minato has shown a great mastery over the sealing jutsus that he can do some even with on hand.

Minato also has
Chakra Transfer Technique
Contract Seal
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Four Symbols Seal
Eight Trigrams Sealing Style

besides his unrevealed jutsu the Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula. That's without going to the other things like their hype and battles ...etc

that's why I believe that base Minato >> Tobirama.

I think I will need to modify this later on, especially that we know Tobirama's power now (at least what he has shown).

 

[Avinash012]

Minato wins more times than not.

 

[Nattana]

1. Tobirama isn't using Edo Tensei since he banned it himself. Unless you make him out of character ofc.
2. Show me any remarkable Tobirama's reaction feat that WASN'T off panel.

Still, I can see Tobirama winning this.

 

[Oblivionx]

it will be a minato vs obito rematch...! i.e speed competition and minato is better in that department....!

 

[WolfHaley]

Tobirama has Minato's FTG link. He wins.

 

[miromiro]

Minato wins.

 

[Avinash012]

Tobirama has Minato's FTG link. He wins.

For starters he can't use it without Minato's influence,Minato needs to let him use that link.

 

[sdam]

You are pretty unbiased. I agree with what you said. Although Tobirama has better reactions. xD

Minato has better reaktions!!!!

 

[Rosae]

Minato wins.