Tobirama VS MS Obito

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Tobirama has 1 edo tensie and 3 marked kunai.
Intel : manga
location : Sasuke vs danzo
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who wins?
*edit no kurama and edo is already summoned
 
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We don't know the extent of tobirama's ftg...! if he can teleport to a kunai with ftg lvl 2 like minato can then he wins (although i don't think he can)... otherwise obito takes it...!
 

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Restrict kurama, make it fair for tobirama.

Obito wins, obito has full info on FTG & tobi has none on kamui, he's never seen obito's kamui in action.

Is the edo summoned already? That might give him a way to get some info but not enough, obito will know to warp him quickly.
 

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Restrict kurama, make it fair for tobirama.

Obito wins, obito has full info on FTG & tobi has none on kamui, he's never seen obito's kamui in action.

Is the edo summoned already? That might give him a way to get some info but not enough, obito will know to warp him quickly.
minato had no info. tobirama seems to at least be on minato's level when it comes to jutsu analysis.
 

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minato had no info. tobirama seems to at least be on minato's level when it comes to jutsu analysis.

But minato had prepped kunai in locations unknown to obito, far enough to keep a TBB away from a village.

Sharingan sees chakra, obito will be able to spot the FTG seals & since he has two of them [one for izanagi]. He can deal with the kunai personally with his AoE attacks.

That makes tobi's analysis useless because he wouldn't have an escape route for kamui.
 

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But minato had prepped kunai in locations unknown to obito, far enough to keep a TBB away from a village.

Tobirama has prepped kunai as well in this situation. Plus he can mark his edo, so Kamui is not working.

Sharingan sees chakra, obito will be able to spot the FTG seals & since he has two of them [one for izanagi]. He can deal with the kunai personally with his AoE attacks.

Sharingan does see chakra, but not Fuuinjutsu. Sasuke's sharingan did not see Danzno's seal. Fuuinjutsu =/= Ninjutsu. It does not emit chakra.

That makes tobi's analysis useless because he wouldn't have an escape route for kamui.

I don't get this point.
 

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Tobirama has prepped kunai as well in this situation. Plus he can mark his edo, so Kamui is not working.

Marking his edo before he sees kamui? Not happening. The kunai are marked, not prepped, he either has them on him or they're scattered around the battlefield within range, either way they only provide a small way to move around until they're destroyed or he just get's warped with the kunai in hand.

Sharingan does see chakra, but not Fuuinjutsu. Sasuke's sharingan did not see Danzno's seal. Fuuinjutsu =/= Ninjutsu. It does not emit chakra.

Danzo's seal was hidden until it activated, the marked kunai are connected to the users chakra so they must emit chakra. & FTG is a s/t ninjutsu.

I don't get this point.

The warp will be saved for last, if tobi's kunai are scattered around the field then obito needs to take them out. If he has them in hand then he needs to throw them or he simply keeps them. Either way obito has plenty of ways to destroy marked kunai so once they become useless then obito warps him. FTG being his escape route is his only way of effectively analyzing obito's kamui, without it he loses.
 

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Marking his edo before he sees kamui? Not happening. The kunai are marked, not prepped, he either has them on him or they're scattered around the battlefield within range, either way they only provide a small way to move around until they're destroyed or he just get's warped with the kunai in hand.



Danzo's seal was hidden until it activated, the marked kunai are connected to the users chakra so they must emit chakra. & FTG is a s/t ninjutsu.



The warp will be saved for last, if tobi's kunai are scattered around the field then obito needs to take them out. If he has them in hand then he needs to throw them or he simply keeps them. Either way obito has plenty of ways to destroy marked kunai so once they become useless then obito warps him. FTG being his escape route is his only way of effectively analyzing obito's kamui, without it he loses.

@bold... seals on kunais are not made of chakra... this point has been proved already.. user uses his chakra to teleport to seal not that seal contains chakra...! otherwise sage obito would have absorbed the seal tobirama placed on him if it was chakra but nope....!
 

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@bold... seals on kunais are not made of chakra... this point has been proved already.. user uses his chakra to teleport to seal not that seal contains chakra...! otherwise sage obito would have absorbed the seal tobirama placed on him if it was chakra but nope....!

@Bold: Show me obito absorbing chakra, he's never done it so why would he against FTG?
 

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@Bold: Show me obito absorbing chakra, he's never done it so why would he against FTG?

what did he do to amaterasu,rasengan combo??? he had a jutsu that turns all ninjutsu to nothing and according to you ftg is ninjutsu so why was tobirama able to teleport??

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Edit: wtf was this.?? minato has both his arms in this pic...! i never noticed it before....! XD
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what did he do to amaterasu,rasengan combo??? he had a jutsu that turns all ninjutsu to nothing and according to you ftg is ninjutsu so why was tobirama able to teleport??

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1 - Onmyoudon is not chakra absorption
2 - The seal never disappears, since obito himself was marked he would have to get rid of that part of himself in order to remove the seal

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Edit: wtf was this.?? minato has both his arms in this pic...! i never noticed it before....! XD
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Yeah it's an error, Ay has been seen with two arms when he should have had one as well.
 

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It would be 6/10 in Tobirama's favor. Hiraishin is a counter to Kamui, given that it warps the user away to specific place. Another thing would be that, Kamui (may or may not be) automatic, meaning Tobirama would have no way to hurt an intangible man.

He'd have to analyze his powers, make a Kage Bunshin and let himself be warped to Kamui. After this, Tobirama can beat the intangible parts or even stab him from other dimension. The Kage Bunshin may or may not warp away, not that it even matters.

Not to mention, he can even mark him from the other dimension and finish him with Hiraishingiri. Kamui is not overpowered when you know what to do.​
 

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Obito wins, if facing a worthy advisory he will not rely on Kumai alone.

He's got other Justus that would destroy Tobirama, and mokuton is debatable.

Obito was willing to take on Kabutomaru with akatsuki Edo tensei no problem, that is until he summoned Madara.

Unless Tobirama gets a Madara summoning, Obito is still winning this match up.
 

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Tobirama wins easily. Adding Edoes is overkill.

All he has is his intangibility, which is easily circumvented by his Kage Bushin and Edoes.

And plus, Obito would still have Minato's seal on him, which Tobirama can access lol.
 

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Obito wins, if facing a worthy advisory he will not rely on Kumai alone.

He's got other Justus that would destroy Tobirama, and mokuton is debatable.

Obito was willing to take on Kabutomaru with akatsuki Edo tensei no problem, that is until he summoned Madara.

Unless Tobirama gets a Madara summoning, Obito is still winning this match up.

none of MS Obito's other justus is ''destroying'' Tobirama, get real.

and if he had such destructive justus, where were they against Minato??.. you would think he'd use them against the Hokage no?

@OP, Tobirama wins under these conditions
 

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none of MS Obito's other justus is ''destroying'' Tobirama, get real.

and if he had such destructive justus, where were they against Minato??.. you would think he'd use them against the Hokage no?

@OP, Tobirama wins under these conditions

Get real and read chapter 606 :|

He couldn't use any other techniques against Minato because he was using kyuubi to attack the leaf at the same.

Ms Obito owns this scrub :|
 
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