Itachi > Kabuto?

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Itachi > kabuto...all those attempts by kabuto to kill itachi was in his (Kabuto's) mind. He was already stuck in Izanami from the start. Everything was genjustu.

 

[Da Best Ever]

yes the circumstances allowed for Kabuto to try more jutsu on Edo Itachi , but due to what was at stake and their goals and objectives Itachi would have had another strategy and taken another approach during the battle. Edo Itachi was knocked out by Kabuto while he was protecting Sasuke. If Sasuke wasn't their then Itachi wouldn't have to save Sasuke and that moment where he was decapitated wouldn't have happened had Sasuke not been there or they weren't in a cave.

If 100% healthy fresh Kisame/Samehada fought Guy in Kisame's place of choosing : probably surrounded by water, Kisame probably would've won.

Edo Itachi wasn't a stronger version of Itachi. Edo Itachi didn't have a disease and his body could regenerate , but he didn't have Yata Mirror. In a grassland plain, open field, Itachi would've probably beaten Kabuto alone. For instance where Sasuke vs Deidara took place. In an open field, Yata Mirror would negate all of Kabuto's jutsu. Also Itachi uses water style and can read Kabuto's movements easily even when blind and under genjutsu it was easy for him to figure out Kabuto's future actions and protect Sasuke.

kisame was going to lose to guy regardless of the location, if u hadnt noticed they fought on a ocean, kisame used his 1000 feeding shakrs and guy tried to counter with kujaku, when that didnt woork guy went to the 7th gate and the pressure or heat that he was emiting destroyed the remainding sharks and kisame used his super shark bomb jutsu which absorbs ninjutsu and thus overpowering his opponent but guy's hirudora was not ninjutsu it was taijutsu, nothing more than a fist but the force the 7th gate drove behind that thrust punch was immeasurable...guy was a counter to kisame who beats mostly anybody who exhibits large amounts of chakra




also if sasuke hadnt been there kabuto would have just went after itachi when he used the sound and light genjutsu, well all know itachi's jutsu we know his arsenal and there is not 1 thing other than izanami that beats kabuto, itwas specifically designed to beat him...


also u do realize kabuto is one with nature he can u sage art:inorganic reanimation and bring lifeless natural things to life to attack and can manipulate the way they attack, that jutsu right there catches anyone of guard even hashirama becasue u wont think u have to fight nature



even when kabuto called out all his abilities and deemed himslef the closest thing to the sage, itachi agreed and said it was true and then sasuke had a sour look on his face and said well then how do we beat him...

 

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Itachi > kabuto...all those attempts by kabuto to kill itachi was in his (Kabuto's) mind. He was already stuck in Izanami from the start. Everything was genjustu.

okay this is where the deo tensei comes to play, u did read the scan obviously, sasuke asks when did u use it and itachi says when kabuto first stabbed me with his sword, that is a death blow to a live itachi, who would already be off his game because off his illness just like he was against sasuke but my gripe is with the edo tensei, u guys dnt see how itachi is favored here with edo tensei kabuto was put under genjutsu when he first stabbed straight through itachi...that obviously is a killing blow...sauske got stabbed almost straight through and ill laying face flat eating dirt, a live itachi would die

 

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yes the circumstances allowed for Kabuto to try more jutsu on Edo Itachi , but due to what was at stake and their goals and objectives Itachi would have had another strategy and taken another approach during the battle. Edo Itachi was knocked out by Kabuto while he was protecting Sasuke. If Sasuke wasn't their then Itachi wouldn't have to save Sasuke and that moment where he was decapitated wouldn't have happened had Sasuke not been there or they weren't in a cave.

The fact that Itachi had to save Sasuke in the first place speaks volumes as to how the fight would go if Itachi was alive. White rage made it so susano'o can't be sustained by someone that is alive and even as an Edo Itachi just mustered a hand. You can say that Itachi would have taken a different approach but the same could be said for Kabuto. Itachi would have had to be more defensive and Kabuto if Itachi was alive would be more aggressive (if his intention is to outright kill).

If 100% healthy fresh Kisame/Samehada fought Guy in Kisame's place of choosing : probably surrounded by water, Kisame probably would've won.

Edo Itachi wasn't a stronger version of Itachi. Edo Itachi didn't have a disease and his body could regenerate , but he didn't have Yata Mirror.

There is nothing to say that Itachi didn't have Yata mirror. He had totsuka why wouldn't he have Yata? If the mirror countered everything as easily as people think Itachi would have just whipped it out and tanked everything coming at him. Instead Kabuto was manipulating the environment, attacking from the weak spot of susano'o (the floor), bypassing Itachi's defenses via sound manipulation, and just generally making susano'o unsustainable via white rage. The reason it wasn't used was because Kabuto demonstrated that if the bros want to sustain susano'o he will just drop it with white rage. Thats why they only ever used it in short bursts.

In a grassland plain, open field, Itachi would've probably beaten Kabuto alone. For instance where Sasuke vs Deidara took place. In an open field, Yata Mirror would negate all of Kabuto's jutsu. Also Itachi uses water style and can read Kabuto's movements easily even when blind and under genjutsu it was easy for him to figure out Kabuto's future actions and protect Sasuke.

Again Yata isn't an issue here. If Itachi plans to maintain susano'o and tank with yata Kabuto can make him drop susano'o (and thus yata) via white rage. Alternatively he can bypass the defense all together using inorganic transmutation, kimimaro's bone forest or tayuya's bone flute.

Kabuto is just to adaptable compared to Itachi who has known stamina issues. Literally the only way Itachi won that fight was through significant support from Sasuke, the fact that he was edo and a jutsu that Itachi himself stated can't be used under normal battle circumstances. Kabuto had to lose to drive the plot forward, but overall Kabuto is stronger. Plus this is all without using Edo tensei support mind you....

 

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I don't know much about the Kisame & Guy fight too much , but the fight took place after Kisame had already fought Bee and Kisame was without Samehada his ninja tool. Guy had his complete arsenal at his disposal. The other time they fought before that was a clone of Kisame vs Guy and his 3 students.

kisame was going to lose to guy regardless of the location, if u hadnt noticed they fought on a ocean, kisame used his 1000 feeding shakrs and guy tried to counter with kujaku, when that didnt woork guy went to the 7th gate and the pressure or heat that he was emiting destroyed the remainding sharks and kisame used his super shark bomb jutsu which absorbs ninjutsu and thus overpowering his opponent but guy's hirudora was not ninjutsu it was taijutsu, nothing more than a fist but the force the 7th gate drove behind that thrust punch was immeasurable...guy was a counter to kisame who beats mostly anybody who exhibits large amounts of chakra




also if sasuke hadnt been there kabuto would have just went after itachi when he used the sound and light genjutsu, well all know itachi's jutsu we know his arsenal and there is not 1 thing other than izanami that beats kabuto, itwas specifically designed to beat him...


also u do realize kabuto is one with nature he can u sage art:inorganic reanimation and bring lifeless natural things to life to attack and can manipulate the way they attack, that jutsu right there catches anyone of guard even hashirama becasue u wont think u have to fight nature



even when kabuto called out all his abilities and deemed himslef the closest thing to the sage, itachi agreed and said it was true and then sasuke had a sour look on his face and said well then how do we beat him...

Amateratsu automatically brought Kabuto's sage art modified cave and surroundings back to normal. Completely nullifies it.
If Itachi has Yata Mirror it will repel Kabuto and Totsuka can pierce/cut him and potential seal him. Kabuto did a lot of arial fighting in their bout which works great in Itachi's Susano'o's favor when equipped with Yata and Totsuka. Keep in mind Kabuto was heavily influenced by Orochimaru's dna and even thought he was Orochimaru at one point in the fight. Orochimaru's feelings and inability to maintain his composure around Itachi or Sasuke for that matter carried over into Kabuto. Itachi easily reads his intentions and feelings like he did in the fight. Another problem for Kabuto was everything Itachi said got under his skin. Kabuto's mental state was cuckoo and he became more mental and troublesome for himself as the battle progressed.

The fact that Itachi had to save Sasuke in the first place speaks volumes as to how the fight would go if Itachi was alive. White rage made it so susano'o can't be sustained by someone that is alive and even as an Edo Itachi just mustered a hand. You can say that Itachi would have taken a different approach but the same could be said for Kabuto. Itachi would have had to be more defensive and Kabuto if Itachi was alive would be more aggressive (if his intention is to outright kill).


There is nothing to say that Itachi didn't have Yata mirror. He had totsuka why wouldn't he have Yata? If the mirror countered everything as easily as people think Itachi would have just whipped it out and tanked everything coming at him. Instead Kabuto was manipulating the environment, attacking from the weak spot of susano'o (the floor), bypassing Itachi's defenses via sound manipulation, and just generally making susano'o unsustainable via white rage. The reason it wasn't used was because Kabuto demonstrated that if the bros want to sustain susano'o he will just drop it with white rage. Thats why they only ever used it in short bursts.


Again Yata isn't an issue here. If Itachi plans to maintain susano'o and tank with yata Kabuto can make him drop susano'o (and thus yata) via white rage. Alternatively he can bypass the defense all together using inorganic transmutation, kimimaro's bone forest or tayuya's bone flute.

Kabuto is just to adaptable compared to Itachi who has known stamina issues. Literally the only way Itachi won that fight was through significant support from Sasuke, the fact that he was edo and a jutsu that Itachi himself stated can't be used under normal battle circumstances. Kabuto had to lose to drive the plot forward, but overall Kabuto is stronger. Plus this is all without using Edo tensei support mind you....

All Edo don't have all the jutsu they had when they were alive. Example Edo Hashirama doesn't have the shinjuusenju and Sasori doesn't have any puppets. Edo Itachi didn't have Yata Mirror . I haven't seen Yata being used against sound genjutsu or jutsu , but if Itachi can fight through paralysis and deafening and blinding jutsu at once im pretty sure Yata would have made dealing with those jutsu properties a lot easier. If its something that can hit Yata it will be nullified or repelled .

 

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okay this is where the deo tensei comes to play, u did read the scan obviously, sasuke asks when did u use it and itachi says when kabuto first stabbed me with his sword, that is a death blow to a live itachi, who would already be off his game because off his illness just like he was against sasuke but my gripe is with the edo tensei, u guys dnt see how itachi is favored here with edo tensei kabuto was put under genjutsu when he first stabbed straight through itachi...that obviously is a killing blow...sauske got stabbed almost straight through and ill laying face flat eating dirt, a live itachi would die

I get where you're coming from but when have Itachi let himself get stabbed ever. He knew he was an edo and wouldn't die so why not. He could've easily used a substitution justu and boom Izanami. It was all for show to catch Kabuto off guard.

 

[Da Best Ever]

I don't know much about the Kisame & Guy fight too much , but the fight took place after Kisame had already fought Bee and Kisame was without Samehada his ninja tool. Guy had his complete arsenal at his disposal. The other time they fought before that was a clone of Kisame vs Guy and his 3 students.


Amateratsu automatically brought Kabuto's sage art modified cave and surroundings back to normal. Completely nullifies it.
If Itachi has Yata Mirror it will repel Kabuto and Totsuka can pierce/cut him and potential seal him. Kabuto did a lot of arial fighting in their bout which works great in Itachi's Susano'o's favor when equipped with Yata and Totsuka. Keep in mind Kabuto was heavily influenced by Orochimaru's dna and even thought he was Orochimaru at one point in the fight. Orochimaru's feelings and inability to maintain his composure around Itachi or Sasuke for that matter carried over into Kabuto. Itachi easily reads his intentions and feelings like he did in the fight. Another problem for Kabuto was everything Itachi said got under his skin. Kabuto's mental state was cuckoo and he became more mental and troublesome for himself as the battle progressed.

true kisame was without samehada but he wasnt weakened, kisame had healed himself by absorbing the chakra of one of those guys who was there next to guy...having samehada wouldnt make a difference since the guy uses taijutsu when using the gates and not ninjutsu albeit samehada could absorb guys chakra but then again once guy goes into 7th gates kisame wont be able to keep up, and even 6th gate guy overwhelmed kisame with his speed...kisame beats almost all other shinobi who has large amounts of chakra and use mostly ninjutsu but guy speed and power in the gates was a perfect counter to that



also amaterasu didnt nullify it, the caves spikes had already pierced itachi, what he does later as an edo doesnt matter, the fact that he was pierced first and edo itachi recovered and used amaterasu suggests that alive itachi would have been killed by that and it further proves me right as far as being able to catch shinobi off guard


also i think u underestimate kabuto's knowledge of itachi and uchiha abilities in genera, remember he did read the uchiha table despite not have a sharingan or rinnegan to decipher it, also to prove kabuto knws itachi's abilities he purposely blocked out his eyes just so he couldnt be put under the renown uchiha genjutsu, yata could block kabuto's jutsu but like i said earlier edo itachi isnt the same as alive itachi, edo itachi is better than live itachi because he ahs the chakra and stamina and durability to last long in battle, aliv eitachi did not, even against sasuke his illness made him move slower made his genjutsu weaker, made him lose focuse, made his skill level go way down...i cant argue against an edo itachi because edo itachi can use his ms without the effects, edo itachi can spam amaterasu and use yata non stop but dnt get me wrong it still will be hard to hit or damage kabuto who has sage mode sensing and can can heal instantly also i think kabuto can still win against edo itachi slightly due to the exposed back side of susano that kabuto can get to just as danzo did sasuke and if kabuto does that its gameover, he wil; just placed the seal back into itachi

 

[Flawž]

Kabuto beats itachi rather comfortably.

 

[Da Best Ever]

I get where you're coming from but when have Itachi let himself get stabbed ever. He knew he was an edo and wouldn't die so why not. He could've easily used a substitution justu and boom Izanami. It was all for show to catch Kabuto off guard.

thats arguably not right or wrong because we saw the fight and we seen kabutopull sasuke's sword out of the cave wall while he was hanging and itachi charged in right then and kabuto turned around and stabbed itachi, kabuto not actually seeing tiachi and just turning around implies itachi just got caught plain and simple, so i dnt think it was to catch kabuto off guard because he wasnt facing itachi to begin with

 

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I don't know much about the Kisame & Guy fight too much , but the fight took place after Kisame had already fought Bee and Kisame was without Samehada his ninja tool. Guy had his complete arsenal at his disposal. The other time they fought before that was a clone of Kisame vs Guy and his 3 students.


Amateratsu automatically brought Kabuto's sage art modified cave and surroundings back to normal. Completely nullifies it.
If Itachi has Yata Mirror it will repel Kabuto and Totsuka can pierce/cut him and potential seal him. Kabuto did a lot of arial fighting in their bout which works great in Itachi's Susano'o's favor when equipped with Yata and Totsuka. Keep in mind Kabuto was heavily influenced by Orochimaru's dna and even thought he was Orochimaru at one point in the fight. Orochimaru's feelings and inability to maintain his composure around Itachi or Sasuke for that matter carried over into Kabuto. Itachi easily reads his intentions and feelings like he did in the fight. Another problem for Kabuto was everything Itachi said got under his skin. Kabuto's mental state was cuckoo and he became more mental and troublesome for himself as the battle progressed.


All Edo don't have all the jutsu they had when they were alive. Example Edo Hashirama doesn't have the shinjuusenju and Sasori doesn't have any puppets. Edo Itachi didn't have Yata Mirror . I haven't seen Yata being used against sound genjutsu or jutsu , but if Itachi can fight through paralysis and deafening and blinding jutsu at once im pretty sure Yata would have made dealing with those jutsu properties a lot easier. If its something that can hit Yata it will be nullified or repelled .

So your saying that Yata is going to somehow suck up all noise created by the sound genjutsu and nullify it? The fact that Itachi has been seen talking to sasuke whilst behind yata mirror means that he can still hear noise and therefore is still susceptible to demonic flute. Also if your examples aren't relevant. Hashi if he wanted to could summon shinsenju, infact he summoned the buddha a smaller version whilst edo so I don't see your point. Also Sasori's puppets were stored in a scroll on his main puppet body. When he dies Kankuro physically took that main body that the difference. Itachi didn't leave yata or totsuka to anyone, they are still attached to his susano'o. If he has totsuka why not the mirror?

 

[Da Best Ever]

I don't know much about the Kisame & Guy fight too much , but the fight took place after Kisame had already fought Bee and Kisame was without Samehada his ninja tool. Guy had his complete arsenal at his disposal. The other time they fought before that was a clone of Kisame vs Guy and his 3 students.


Amateratsu automatically brought Kabuto's sage art modified cave and surroundings back to normal. Completely nullifies it.
If Itachi has Yata Mirror it will repel Kabuto and Totsuka can pierce/cut him and potential seal him. Kabuto did a lot of arial fighting in their bout which works great in Itachi's Susano'o's favor when equipped with Yata and Totsuka. Keep in mind Kabuto was heavily influenced by Orochimaru's dna and even thought he was Orochimaru at one point in the fight. Orochimaru's feelings and inability to maintain his composure around Itachi or Sasuke for that matter carried over into Kabuto. Itachi easily reads his intentions and feelings like he did in the fight. Another problem for Kabuto was everything Itachi said got under his skin. Kabuto's mental state was cuckoo and he became more mental and troublesome for himself as the battle progressed.


All Edo don't have all the jutsu they had when they were alive. Example Edo Hashirama doesn't have the shinjuusenju and Sasori doesn't have any puppets. Edo Itachi didn't have Yata Mirror . I haven't seen Yata being used against sound genjutsu or jutsu , but if Itachi can fight through paralysis and deafening and blinding jutsu at once im pretty sure Yata would have made dealing with those jutsu properties a lot easier. If its something that can hit Yata it will be nullified or repelled .

yata repels physical things sound and light arent physical, if u think it could then u also think air isnt traveling through yata either which means alive itachi dies every time he uses it...

 

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Actually , Itachi anticipated everything Kabuto through at him... sometimes anyway. These are examples of Kabuto deciding to surprise or abruptly charge a sneak attack at Itachi even while Itachi's guard is down and he is conversing with Sasuke.

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If Sasuke wasn't there, Itachi wouldn't have been hit by the spikes because he was quick enough to avoid it with Susano'o.

also amaterasu didnt nullify it, the caves spikes had already pierced itachi, what he does later as an edo doesnt matter, the fact that he was pierced first and edo itachi recovered and used amaterasu suggests that alive itachi would have been killed by that and it further proves me right as far as being able to catch shinobi off guard

Amateratsu instantly stops the effects Kabuto has on nature surrounding him.

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The spike wouldn't have hit Itachi if Sasuke hadn't of been there. You see there was no sign of Susano'o avtivated anywhere. Itachi's sharingan is quick enough to read the spikes movements and bring out susano'o for protection " instantly". When Itachi defended against the spikes however, it was to protect Sasuke only and not himself. (He had faith in Sasuke probably to get his body back from Kabuto , but that part is up for thinking.)

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also i think u underestimate kabuto's knowledge of itachi and uchiha abilities in genera, remember he did read the uchiha table despite not have a sharingan or rinnegan to decipher it, also to prove kabuto knws itachi's abilities he purposely blocked out his eyes just so he couldnt be put under the renown uchiha genjutsu, yata could block kabuto's jutsu but like i said earlier edo itachi isnt the same as alive itachi, edo itachi is better than live itachi because he ahs the chakra and stamina and durability to last long in battle, aliv eitachi did not, even against sasuke his illness made him move slower made his genjutsu weaker, made him lose focuse, made his skill level go way down...i cant argue against an edo itachi because edo itachi can use his ms without the effects, edo itachi can spam amaterasu and use yata non stop but dnt get me wrong it still will be hard to hit or damage kabuto who has sage mode sensing and can can heal instantly also i think kabuto can still win against edo itachi slightly due to the exposed back side of susano that kabuto can get to just as danzo did sasuke and if kabuto does that its gameover, he wil; just placed the seal back into itachi

Kabuto is too cocky and sure of himself and completely disregards strategy from his opposition in battle. He does all that yet he still shows fear against both Tobi and Itachi while dawning Orochimaru's dna. Earlier when meeting Tobi, Kabuto ran for his life and when Itachi was free from Edo control via KA, Kabuto proclaimed Itachi as the best. He cant make up his own mind on whats good for him or not. As we've seen earlier , Orochimaru admitted inferiority to Itachi saying that he is stronger and then much later acting so sure of himself and lowering his caution then being sealed by Itachi. Kabuto admits the same thing and still says himself is unstoppable. That is somewhat of a huge contradiction in his own mind making himself an easier target.

yata repels physical things sound and light arent physical, if u think it could then u also think air isnt traveling through yata either which means alive itachi dies every time he uses it...

I don't know if it says only physical things are repelled by yata, makes sense, but maybe jutsu in itself is repelled. Yata Mirror can also expand and maneuver around Itachi's body "not sure" so that means probably that under the will of owner , Yata could activate its jutsu property defense whenever the owner decides for it to.

So your saying that Yata is going to somehow suck up all noise created by the sound genjutsu and nullify it? The fact that Itachi has been seen talking to sasuke whilst behind yata mirror means that he can still hear noise and therefore is still susceptible to demonic flute. Also if your examples aren't relevant. Hashi if he wanted to could summon shinsenju, infact he summoned the buddha a smaller version whilst edo so I don't see your point. Also Sasori's puppets were stored in a scroll on his main puppet body. When he dies Kankuro physically took that main body that the difference. Itachi didn't leave yata or totsuka to anyone, they are still attached to his susano'o. If he has totsuka why not the mirror?

Well we've seen he has Totsuka , but we haven't seen Yata as an Edo in his possession. Those aren't just noises , they are jutsu , and Yata is made to repel jutsu not just random noises.

 

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thats arguably not right or wrong because we saw the fight and we seen kabutopull sasuke's sword out of the cave wall while he was hanging and itachi charged in right then and kabuto turned around and stabbed itachi, kabuto not actually seeing tiachi and just turning around implies itachi just got caught plain and simple, so i dnt think it was to catch kabuto off guard because he wasnt facing itachi to begin with

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Kabuto stabs Itachi
And Izanami activates

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And substitution...so in reality there was and is no death blow

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That would have marked the end of the battle had he been a living body and not an Edo. Neither Izanami nor Sasuke would have saved him.

Even if he was an Edo, Kabuto would have overwritten his Edo Tensei talisman, but Sasuke prevented that.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Actually , Itachi anticipated everything Kabuto through at him... sometimes anyway. These are examples of Kabuto deciding to surprise or abruptly charge a sneak attack at Itachi even while Itachi's guard is down and he is conversing with Sasuke.

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If Sasuke wasn't there, Itachi wouldn't have been hit by the spikes because he was quick enough to avoid it with Susano'o.

Amateratsu instantly stops the effects Kabuto has on nature surrounding him.

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The spike wouldn't have hit Itachi if Sasuke hadn't of been there. You see there was no sign of Susano'o avtivated anywhere. Itachi's sharingan is quick enough to read the spikes movements and bring out susano'o for protection " instantly". When Itachi defended against the spikes however, it was to protect Sasuke only and not himself. (He had faith in Sasuke probably to get his body back from Kabuto , but that part is up for thinking.)

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Kabuto is too cocky and sure of himself and completely disregards strategy from his opposition in battle. He does all that yet he still shows fear against both Tobi and Itachi while dawning Orochimaru's dna. Earlier when meeting Tobi, Kabuto ran for his life and when Itachi was free from Edo control via KA, Kabuto proclaimed Itachi as the best. He cant make up his own mind on whats good for him or not. As we've seen earlier , Orochimaru admitted inferiority to Itachi saying that he is stronger and then much later acting so sure of himself and lowering his caution then being sealed by Itachi. Kabuto admits the same thing and still says himself is unstoppable. That is somewhat of a huge contradiction in his own mind making himself an easier target.


I don't know if it says only physical things are repelled by yata, makes sense, but maybe jutsu in itself is repelled. Yata Mirror can also expand and maneuver around Itachi's body "not sure" so that means probably that under the will of owner , Yata could activate its jutsu property defense whenever the owner decides for it to.

Well we've seen he has Totsuka , but we haven't seen Yata as an Edo in his possession. Those aren't just noises , they are jutsu , and Yata is made to repel jutsu not just random noises.

im only going to argue this sound thing becuase we've deabted this other stuff this whole thing...but anyway u try to establish some type of difference between sound genjutsu and sound cause by noice i.e. talking and etc. but that is wrong, sound genjuts su targets an opponenets hearing so that right there proves u wrong, and lets say uwere right, then what that means is itachi can control what enters and what doesnt, but that is false since there has never been any proof of that...

 

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That would have marked the end of the battle had he been a living body and not an Edo. Neither Izanami nor Sasuke would have saved him.

Even if he was an Edo, Kabuto would have overwritten his Edo Tensei talisman, but Sasuke prevented that.

The Izanami doesn't require you to take damage from your opponent , it only requires that you share a physical sensation , but after the first time the spikes struck Edo Itachi because he was protecting Sasuke, Itachi knew he could trust Sasuke to help get his body back from Kabuto's reach plus the body getting destroyed only helped to build Kabuto's confidence and frustration so he could be trapped in Izanami easier. They both probably would've died in a 1 on 1 battle and Itachi being decapitated along with Kabuto being starved to death while trapped in Izanami if Itachi doesn't tell him how to escape it.

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Actually scans show Kabuto facing Itachi

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Kabuto stabs Itachi
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And substitution...so in reality there was and is no death blow

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also with these panels , shows much like in the battle with Rock Lee vs Gaara , when Rock Lee closed his eyes from the pain, he didn't notice Gaara had used a substitution jutsu and continued to hit away at the replacement. Kabuto in fear of the sharingan, closed off his eyesight and blinded himself purposefully and wouldn't be able to know when a substitution was being used. Itachi is too smart and could easily plain substitutions and clones in the right moment and slice/cut Kabuto and possibly pierce/seal him with Susano'o speed and Totsuka's extending reach.

im only going to argue this sound thing becuase we've deabted this other stuff this whole thing...but anyway u try to establish some type of difference between sound genjutsu and sound cause by noice i.e. talking and etc. but that is wrong, sound genjuts su targets an opponenets hearing so that right there proves u wrong, and lets say uwere right, then what that means is itachi can control what enters and what doesnt, but that is false since there has never been any proof of that...

Yata Mirror wasn't even mentioned or seen once during Itachi's time as an Edo though, if so he probably would've elaborated on Yata Mirror failing him. Since we've seen different stages of Itachi's Susano'o we can conclude that he has shown his Susano'o without Totsuka and without Yata Mirror already so he can decide to bring them out if he wants to. They are both spirit weapons and Itachi can choose to have Totsuka extended or he can keep it at its regular length so why not work the same way with Yata's ability? That can't be answered , but its still a mystery on whether or not it actually can. Im not saying Yata could definitively stop sound genjutsu , but it is a "spirit" weapon and its still a "maybe" it can "maybe" it can't, but for sound travels for it to be able to be heard.

 

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Itachi didnt want kabuto dead..

Kabuto would have killed itachi to save his life, so i think when kabuto noticed he was losing the battle he started fighting to kill itachi

Itachi > Kabuto

Difference is you don't kill a edo unless you use Yin Yang jutsus, Sealing jutsu or undo the seal. If Kabuto wanted Itachi out of the way then all he had to do is undo Edo tensei or seal Itachi back inside his coffin, either one would work. When Itachi made Kabuto undo all Edos, he was being unsealed as well so yes Kabuto could have just undo Itachi's edo but Kishi needed Itachi to win the fight. Plus if Itachi was alive then he would suffer from his disease, feel exhausted from low stamina, going blind, and MS jutsu side effects. All Kabuto needs in his favor.

Kabuto finna be your fav, gtfo
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He's right though, Kabuto already dodged their other attacks, and Totsuka blade have to actually impale Kabuto to seal him but if a high speed arrow can't get him then how is a slower attack going to? Plus Kabuto shown to be able to take down Susanoo with his white rage and frog song; also add in Susanoo leaves the user open to attacks from below and Kabuto can attack with Kimmimaru's bones, earth jutsu from one of the sound four and he can go underground and use his medical jutsu to cut your nerves in your legs so you can't move as he did to Shizune in part 1.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Itachi takes this
I already made a thread about it but someone removed it

 

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