Ending the already legendary Itachi vs Minato debate

[Denzel Washington]

He doesn't say this in the *********** translation.

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He asks him to check again, showing he indeed sense all the time

That translation from mangapanda wouldn't even make sense considering the statement about distraction made by Kurama

*********** is not as credible as Mangapanda. Stream takes liberties in their translations, Panda is more literal.

 

[Bogard]

*********** is not as credible as Mangapanda. Stream takes liberties in their translations, Panda is more literal.

I agree, but in this context i think the *********** version makes more sense considering Kurama's assumption in the following page

 

[Denzel Washington]

I agree, but in this context i think the *********** version makes more sense considering Kurama's assumption in the following page

All that means is that they were too preoccupied with their current fight to use the sensing ability. The point stands.

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

bro, u should be embarrassed fro not being able to better classify the speed of a thrown object, labeling it below sonic, u only say subsonic when the speed of whatever u are referring to is close to sonic speeds....#Levels


also subsonic is any speed lower than the speed of sound in a sound propogating medium

I wasnt the one classifying the speed. #you'rejustplainretarded Lol

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

kakashi did train just to fight itachi, and itachi is fighting against time because he is terminally ill, and i dnt think a high level opponent would speed up the process which is why he gets down to business quick

I was correcting that you said kakashi trained to fight kakashi. #quitembarrassing yourself Lol

 

[Flawž]

Minato's new feats put him above Alive itachi.

-Kage bushin that can use FTG
-Anything touching minato's chakra is teleported
-Minato is a sensor
-His super long jutsu he never used

IMO Minato takes alive itachi 7 times out of 10.

 

[Mellanoma]

Minato's new feats put him above Alive itachi.

-Kage bushin that can use FTG
-Anything touching minato's chakra is teleported
-Minato is a sensor
-His super long jutsu he never used

IMO Minato takes alive itachi 7 times out of 10.

still no counter for:

Genjutsu
Exploding Kage Bunshin
Yata Mirror
Totsuka blade
Manga and Databook confirmed Invincible Susanoo
Crow Clone Genjutsu
Tsukyomi
Amaterasu

 

[adeshina365]

I agree, but in this context i think the *********** version makes more sense considering Kurama's assumption in the following page

You only want the *********** version to be right because it allows you to wank Minato more :snick:

OT: Itachi has this.

 

[ReverseZero12]

The debate already ended a long time ago. Yet people still continue to bring it up. Itachi's stamina is garbage and we don't need too many words to explain why minato>itachi. Even a ninja like kakashi can push itachi to his limits.

 

[Bogard]

The debate already ended a long time ago. Yet people still continue to bring it up. Itachi's stamina is garbage and we don't need too many words to explain why minato>itachi. Even a ninja like kakashi can push itachi to his limits.

I know, but i wanted to finish of the genjutsu argument completely. Like i've mentioned at the end of the thread however, all Minato needs to win is to throw kunais all over the place against Itachi. With Kunais around, Itachi would be blitzed anytime soon if he doesn't put up his guard(Susanoo) that depletes his low stamina the time the fight goes on

 

[adeshina365]

The debate already ended a long time ago. Yet people still continue to bring it up. Itachi's stamina is garbage and we don't need too many words to explain why minato>itachi. Even a ninja like kakashi can push itachi to his limits.

Some of you folks will never stop fighting the good fight.

Minato can't even react to Black Zetsu :snick:

 

[Airbear]

Manga intel and Minato gets one-shotted . Not knowing Itachi's arsenal puts anybody at a large disadvantage.
Full intel for both is the only way I see Minato taking this, and he still at the disadvantage considering how hard it his to fight with your eyes closed

 

[Bogard]

Manga intel and Minato gets one-shotted . Not knowing Itachi's arsenal puts anybody at a large disadvantage.
Full intel for both is the only way I see Minato taking this, and he still at the disadvantage considering how hard it his to fight with your eyes closed

Someone obviously didn't read the thread. There is no one-shot here manga knowledge or not

 

[Airbear]

Sorry did u restrict Itachi's entire arsenal or something ? Majority of his jutsus one-shot the latter if the latter has no knowledge sorry.

 

[Mellanoma]

Black zetsu, Naruto, and Kyuubi showed us Minato's reflexes lol.... FTG teleporting is all he has. his reflexes are garbage

 

[Bogard]

Black zetsu, Naruto, and Kyuubi showed us Minato's reflexes lol.... FTG teleporting is all he has. his reflexes are garbage

Considering the fact he was lacking his right arm and that his sole arm left(the left) was busy finishing the seal, he had no other options than waiting before reutilizing the same arm with the rasengan. He got even caught by surprise, yet he still managed to form a rasengan and almost hit him. Furthermore, his reflexes were proven to be above Raikage's in V2. Black Zetsu reacting is a feat of his, not Itachi's. Your argument was just a desperate one as always

 

[Airbear]

Only looked over the part concerning knowledge. Since knowledge/intel is the deal breaker
Agree with Minato knowing the proper precautions with dealing with a normal uchiha. However, to say that taking the normal precautions to avoid genjutsu and applying it in a battle against itachi is quite laughable. Unless of course you shut off your vision, be perfectly in synch with a bijuu, or posses the same blood as itachi can you say you are completely safe from genjutsu.

The second part about facing your opponent and not looking at him is completely absurd... Just assumptions so Minato has a better chance. So Minato faces itachi but looks away, only then to be susceptible to ama or shurikens?

 

[Mellanoma]

Considering the fact he was lacking his right arm and that his sole arm left(the left) was busy finishing the seal, he had no other options than waiting before reutilizing the same arm with the rasengan. He got even caught by surprise, yet he still managed to form a rasengan and almost hit him. Furthermore, his reflexes were proven to be above Raikage's in V2. Black Zetsu reacting is a feat of his, not Itachi's. Your argument was just a desperate one as always

His reflexes are not better than Raikage V2 fanfiction on your part. The anime depiction of what happended in there fight is impossible. how exactly can a tossed Kunai move slower while simultaneously moving faster than V2 Raikage.

You constantly mix FTG with actual speed and movement but I don't blame you considering most Minato fans do this to wank.

Feats themselves show that Minato is inferior but like always in these threads... Itachi feats are never displayed and only portrayed by Obito and Sasuke or someone else not Itachi... Quite hilarious


Minato reflexes:

Gave black Zetsu a Bijuu
Lost him an Arm
Got killed by Nine tails
Tied with Killer Bee who itachi EASILY bested in a shunshin blitz.. If Minato reflexes were as great as you portray then

Why is Bee still alive?
Why is Raikage Still alive?
Why is Obito still alive?
Why does he have 1 arm?
Why did Tobirama have to save him?
Why does black Zetsu have a Bijuu?
Why did Kushina die?
Why did the nine tails hit him?

his FTG gets him there instantly but his reflexes can't react to maximize on them...

Not sure why I continue to partake in these debates.. I mean afterall Minato strongest attack is a Kunai

 

[Penguin]

I think Minato wins, but you cannot give him sensing feats he doesn't have. Not all sensors have the same skill in sensing. Tobirama can sense the chakra in the Uchiha's eyes, but has Minato shown that he can? Minato so far has only sensed his son with the Kyuubi and the other sensing feat. That does not mean he is the best sensor in the manga.

But Minato is too fast.

 

[LeSauce]

1: You can't compare a normal Uchiha to Itachi, who was a genius AMONG geniuses. Madara was the only one to have controlled the beast, a lot of people knew that. Knowledge goes to Itachi who seems to know everything that happened that night and even knows that Minato was Naruto's father.
Minato looked straight into Obito's eyes while running at him, no denying that, no ambiguity in the scan.
Kushina could have taught him that seal for all we know and we don't have any proof suggesting that it was especially made for Uchihas.

2: Minato's reflexes are better, but you overrate it. And you even compare his shunshin to KCM Naruto? They were obviously talking about FTG, not his shunshin. His shunshin is probably better than that of Itachi's, but it isn't going to be a game changer simply because Itachi isn't much slower and he has the sharingan. Itachi always places people in genjutsu without a moment to spare; it never takes time to cast it, always practically instant.

3: Sensing isn't going to do anything and you know it. Why else would Kabuto, who is a much better sensor than Minato, feel the need to cover his eyes. Not only that, but Minato has to actually know that he's in a genjutsu on order to actually check his chakra since he has to SWITCH into sensing mode.

4: This is actually a legit counter IMO, but it doesn't seem to be something that will fool Itachi seeing as he found the real Naruto and knew that it was a Kakashi clone.

5: Itachi's shuriken skills are greater than Minato's, don't even know why you would bring that up.

Minato can only defeat Itachi through getting close, but getting close to Itachi is suicide because of genjutsu. Looking away doesn't even help because Itachi has other means of placing people in genjutsu along with other dangerous techniques. And hey what's stopping Itachi from placing Minato in genjutsu the very beginning of the fight?
Seriously though, every time you guys make it seem as if Itachi's the slowest guy ever. Kakashi kept up with Minato when black zetsu took over Obito.