Ending the already legendary Itachi vs Minato debate

[mrcrazyboyravi]

come on stupid peoples Itachi can't cast genjutsu on a moving person. especially a very very very fast person.

Madara had to catch A and then put him into Genjutsu.

There is a limit to what our brain can react up on. When Itachi's sharingan is barely keeping up on Minato's speed then how the heck can he cast a high level tsukuyomi on him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

im not even going to waste time arguing the speed thing because base minato isnt kcm fast anyway and the manga alreayd showed itachi matching kcm naruto(equaling minato's ftg speed) so...


it dosent matter if the kunai is deflected...wft, if the kunai is deflected then the thats defeats its purpose which is to get close neough to the user so minato can teleport to it, if itachi deflects that mens it doesnt reach itachi, u saying mianto can just pick it back up and itachi will run out is ridiculosu...if minato can pick his up wouldnt it make sense itachi could pick his up too???


also sasuke has only surpassed itachi's use of amaterasu and thats as stated by shi who has never saw itachi use the black flames, and to prove that when sasuke used the mangekyou sharingan, shi said to himself " so thats the mangekyou sharingan" so that means shi only heard that itachi used amaterasu and never saw him use them which would make sense since black and white zetsu both who was said to have seen ever battle had never even seen amaterasu... the proof of itachi's ms being better is in the amount if time he had ms before suffering the effects, he had ms befor ehe kill his clan and he had been a rogue ninja for some years so itachi had ms for years and had been using it for years and yet didt suffer the effects until he went back to konoha which was years later, while sasuke after having ms for a short while used only amaterasu a few times and susano ribcage and was damn near blind and cell every cell in his body was hurting...

1. Completely ignoring my point. What is it with you Itachi fans and ignoring points, claiming it's illogical, and not bringing anything to the table to support your claim? Keeping up with KCM is invalid. Naruto does not utilize his speed often because of his lack of control. This is the only explanation because otherwise, Itachi and Obito would have been owned so bad.


2. Last time I checked Itachi doesn't have the ability to teleport to his ninja tools. therefore, Minato will reclaim his kunai much faster than Itachi can reclaim his shuriken, and the end result will be Itachi will loose all of them.


3. Uh, using MS techniques drained him just as much as Sasuke.

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Plus, the manga never hinted that amaterasu gets any faster. So saying Itachi would have better success is completely unfounded.

 

[Bronze]

No his rasengan was active during sensing. It disappears after sensing, and it only disappeard because of Minato's sorrow finding out his son is possibly dead

You didn't get it concerning the Obito part either. What i meant is that he knew the guy above the Jubi was the masked guy he once fought despite having never seen his face, so he did sense his chakra to realise it

Because you know you place a kunai somewhere means no one would walk over there? I'm pretty sure that even at the present moment, someone is walking around your home without you knowing

You didn't get anything. The distraction part concern something happening outside the sensor's perspective. In case of battle between Itachi and Minato however, his only concern would be to defeat Itachi(the opponent he is facing) just like his lone concern in latest chapter was to save Obito inside BZ and thus would be concentrating on his opponent(Itachi). Distraction isn't happening in this case

Already drew a line from Minato realizing Kurama extracted, and his Rasengan faded away at the same time.

His FTG is connection between his Chakra and the victim sealed in. Its no feat as Yamato can sense anyone who has his seeds.

Why would he care when the place if far away from Konoha at a disaster situation. And some guy entering the area is speculation.

And, I don't know why you're still arguing with Minato's sensing as i posted a scan that proficient sensors with equipment cant detect Itachi when casting Genjutsu.

 

[Da Best Ever]

"kakashi made an assumption"

"pein doesnt know anything"

"konoha cant keep same code for years"

i have literally zero interest in fanfiction right now, itachi knew the code jutsu which allowed him to get through the barrier, thats it

they all assume he used the code because he was formerly from the village
since it was never said itachi used the code means its an assumption...go check the definition of the word assumption and then come back and holla at me...#Levels


not even in the real world the nations keep the same codes, thats inviting trouble

 

[Da Best Ever]

Already drew a line from Minato realizing Kurama extracted, and his Rasengan faded away at the same time.

His FTG is connection between his Chakra and the victim sealed in. Its no feat as Yamato can sense anyone who has his seeds.

Why would he care when the place if far away from Konoha at a disaster situation. And some guy entering the area is speculation.

And, I don't know why you're still arguing with Minato's sensing as i posted a scan that proficient sensors with equipment cant detect Itachi when casting Genjutsu.

True..in my 2 Chains voice

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

I suppose... back to the basics.
There's a reason why Itachi stated that only his bloodline has a counter to his occular perfection.
So far the Jinchuuriki are the only excepction that can disrupt his illusion.

I still can't believe that many people actually took the bait thread for real.

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why do you need a bloodline to cancel tsukuyomi when Itachi won't even be able to trap Minato in tsukuyomi.
Minato fights with FTG kage bushin . What if itachi tsukuyomi the wrong Minato ? and get his ass rashinganed by original ???

 

[Invsblphntm]

I suppose... back to the basics.
There's a reason why Itachi stated that only his bloodline has a counter to his occular perfection.
So far the Jinchuuriki are the only excepction that can disrupt his illusion.

I still can't believe that many people actually took the bait thread for real.

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This isn't a valid response to my post...

Even still, the way Itachi puts is any non-Uchiha falls prey to the Tsukuyomi. And that is what puts him above Minato?


So he must be able to one-shot Hashirama with it, right?

 

[Da Best Ever]

1. Completely ignoring my point. What is it with you Itachi fans and ignoring points, claiming it's illogical, and not bringing anything to the table to support your claim? Keeping up with KCM is invalid. Naruto does not utilize his speed often because of his lack of control. This is the only explanation because otherwise, Itachi and Obito would have been owned so bad.


2. Last time I checked Itachi doesn't have the ability to teleport to his ninja tools. therefore, Minato will reclaim his kunai much faster than Itachi can reclaim his shuriken, and the end result will be Itachi will loose all of them.


3. Uh, using MS techniques drained him just as much as Sasuke.

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Plus, the manga never hinted that amaterasu gets any faster. So saying Itachi would have better success is completely unfounded.

naruto was in kcm and knew itachi was being controlled and was trying to kill him so why fight to a lesser point if u have the ability to do better...that doesnt make sense

i can give u that whole teleporting to his kunai to regain it, but once he teleports ot his kunai itachi can use a jutsu to catch minaot off guard such a fire ball jutsu, since minato cant teleport back since the kunai is with him because he just teleported to it to pick it up wether the jutsu lands or not i cant say but i do knw killer bee couldnt dodge fire ball jutsu in time so he used samehada to absorb part of it that was directly in his path, and your assuming a battle like that would go on that would be the stupidest fight in history, 2 shinobi throwing kunai unitl the other runs out of them??? and when itachi runs out he can use susano, even susano ribcage will do against a rasengan so your point is...


no itachi had ms for years and was barely ever affected by its use which we first barely saw against itachi and later against sasuke, sasuke had just got it and barely used it and could barely stand do to it...sasuke was going blind, after he clashed with kakashi he was damn near completely blind and he hadnt had ms for a year...if u dnt see the difference then there is no point debating with u

 

[Da Best Ever]

why do you need a bloodline to cancel tsukuyomi when Itachi won't even be able to trap Minato in tsukuyomi.
Minato fights with FTG kage bushin . What if itachi tsukuyomi the wrong Minato ? and get his ass rashinganed by original ???

naruto used a bunch of clones against itachi and itachi was never fooled

 

[Da Best Ever]

are you trying to say that Itachi can hit a bullet traveling at hypersonic speed with a kunai flying at subsonic speed. You must be crazy dude.

u are ridiculous, the ftg kunai isnt moving that fast, it is moving as fast as minato throws it which is not near subsonic, the user is teleported to the location of the kunai...#Ridiculousness

 

[Da Best Ever]

itachi, sasuke, and madara fans say some crazy stuff but after posting and reading this thread minato fans arent any better...

 

[Exaar]

naruto used a bunch of clones against itachi and itachi was never fooled

Out smarting naruto and his clone usage in early part two is hardly a massive feat.

Naruto might not of fooled him but kakashi did.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Bogard secretly likes Karin.

OT: Ten pager?

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

u are ridiculous, the ftg kunai isnt moving that fast, it is moving as fast as minato throws it which is not near subsonic, the user is teleported to the location of the kunai...#Ridiculousness

Subsonic means below sonic Lol #Embarrassed

 

[sharingansennin]

This isn't a valid response to my post...

Even still, the way Itachi puts is any non-Uchiha falls prey to the Tsukuyomi. And that is what puts him above Minato?


So he must be able to one-shot Hashirama with it, right?

only an uchiha can deal with Itachi's Tsukiyomi so you are correct, granted it's possible to avoid the eye contact, but Itachi is a genius of diversion and confusing people

 

[Da Best Ever]

Out smarting naruto and his clone usage in early part two is hardly a massive feat.

Naruto might not of fooled him but kakashi did.

u have to think about how kakashi trained specifically to fight kakashi after getting solo'd rather easily h first time, minato doesnt have knowledge on itachi's abilities in general...itachi only loses to minato because he has to fight time not because he isnt skilled enough

 

[sharingansennin]

Out smarting naruto and his clone usage in early part two is hardly a massive feat.

Naruto might not of fooled him but kakashi did.

you mean the person who looked like itachi but was later killed? also take into account that they were far less powerful as noted by kakashi himself

 

[Da Best Ever]

Subsonic means below sonic Lol #Embarrassed

bro, u should be embarrassed fro not being able to better classify the speed of a thrown object, labeling it below sonic, u only say subsonic when the speed of whatever u are referring to is close to sonic speeds....#Levels


also subsonic is any speed lower than the speed of sound in a sound propogating medium

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

u have to think about how kakashi trained specifically to fight kakashi after getting solo'd rather easily h first time, minato doesnt have knowledge on itachi's abilities in general...itachi only loses to minato because he has to fight time not because he isnt skilled enough

Itachi* Lol

 

[IamtheGodofUchihaforever]

bro, u should be embarrassed fro not being able to better classify the speed of a thrown object, labeling it below sonic, u only say subsonic when the speed of whatever u are referring to is close to sonic speeds....#Levels

Im not the one who said it #scrollup #Embarrassedround2 Lol