The classic Minato and Itachi thing!

[chintu234]

This is all nice, but not all sensors are the same. Hashirama and tobirama are both sensors yet one is much better then the other.

Minato failed sensing obito in village and recognize him all together.
He failed sensing lack of naruto's kurama.
Sensing naruto with kurama (large chakra) and some fodder but at close range is far from sensing chakra build up in an eye. He doesnt compare to Juubi Obito and SM madara.

how the hell will minato sense obito when he was covered in zetsu's body and zetsu is untraceable even to the greatest sensors of the NV.

 

[shelke]

Wasn't he busy trying to suppress the nine tails. I'd assume that takes a lot of concentration.

Doesn't help the fact that he wasn't able to sense Obito as well.

@Jane

That post was aimed at anyone who said that he has concrete evidence that Minato can sense ability built-ups, when he has showed squat in this regard. To put other sensors' feats in his basket is borderline pitiful.

 

[Naijakid]

Minato>>any version of Itachi-tard

 

[Waltz]

@Jane the Killer: They were both in battles, not engaged in any combat or struggle. ​

 

[~Sky~]

@Jane the Killer: They were both in battles, not engaged in any combat or struggle. ​

Untrue. This was Karin when she sensed Sasuke:

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Minato on the other hand, was obviously engaged in a struggle because he lost KCM between the two times we saw him.

 

[LeSauce]

Even if she could, I mean he (Minato) could sense it, he would have to realize he was in one first to do so and then breakout, something not easily done with Itachi's genjutsu.

Itachi could him within that time as well.

 

[Bogard]

Untrue. This was Karin when she sensed Sasuke:

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Minato on the other hand, was obviously engaged in a struggle because he lost KCM between the two times we saw him.

Kyubi already complained about their mistake for being too distracted to notice the thing earlier than they normally should have

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[Gold Lightning]

Doesn't help the fact that he wasn't able to sense Obito as well.

@Jane

That post was aimed at anyone who said that he has concrete evidence that Minato can sense ability built-ups, when he has showed squat in this regard. To put other sensors' feats in his basket is borderline pitiful.

Helps to me. Can't suppress chakra and sense around for danger at the same time. Plus he relied on the anbu and the barrier to do all that. Why would he be kneading chakra for sensing at a time like that when the 9 tails requires considerable amounts of chakra and focus.

 

[Owarij]

Minato isn't on Mu or Tobirama's level. He is infact better than them. The dude only need one finger to sense enemys when Tobirama needs 2. Minato can even determine if the enemy he is facing is a shadow clone or the original. Minato was able to detect Obito sneak attacking him from behind and directly counter-attacking despite being distracted. Minato was capable to sense Naruto's chakra within the Kyubi's countries away from each other, knowing he succeeded in controlling the beast and their partnershaft plus the fact they were fighting alongside through sensing alone. The dude can even know when a Bijuu gets extracted from a Jinchuriki through sensing alone

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He directly noticed all this distance away when Tobirama himself seemed not to identify Kyubi's chakra properly despite knowing the beast("i feel a strong chakra 2o'clock")

And you're wrong. It's not a matter of focusing but switching to sensor type. Re-read exactly what Kyubi says. Even Tobirama needs to mold chakra to sense. It's a general rule

Better? Yeah, that's not happening. When he's in the sensor mode, that's when he's focusing his chakra to sense things, he isn't in a position to fight. That's not the type of sensor skills that Muu and Tobirama has, he is far below them when it comes to that. Muu could battle and utilize his sensor skills at the same time

Attributing him noticing Obito behind him to his chakra sensing? Nonsense, you must be forgetting that ninjas have other tools to notice things , hearing, smell? Overall having a prescence

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Oh god, I guess Itachi really was a sensor, considering the amount of times he's noticed people out of his range of vision

And Ive said this already, his feat in sensing naruto wasn't a sensor skill, everyone, down to Orochimaru and Sasuke was sensing Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra..

Now back to the original point of his skill making no difference on how the fight will go. Especially considering he has no manga knowledge on Itachi and his abilities.

 

[shelke]

@Gold Lightening

How about I pull the ear the other way around: Any scan of Minato sensing Chakra built-up at all? Lumping all sensors together is never a weighty argumentation, when the manga has shown different sensors. Take Kisame for example, he's a tracker type Ninja once fused with Samehada or when he's using Samehada. He cannot sense ability built- up either. To give Minato other sensor feats is valid how?

 

[Gold Lightning]

@Gold Lightening

How about I pull the ear the other way around: Any scan of Minato sensing Chakra built-up at all? Lumping all sensors together is never a weighty argumentation, when the manga has shown different sensors. Take Kisame for example, he's a tracker type Ninja once fused with Samehada or when he's using Samehada. He cannot sense ability built- up either. To give Minato other sensor feats is valid how?

why are you taking to me about chakra build up, never mentioned anything about that.

What other feats did I give Minato?

 

[Bogard]

Better? Yeah, that's not happening. When he's in the sensor mode, that's when he's focusing his chakra to sense things, he isn't in a position to fight. That's not the type of sensor skills that Muu and Tobirama has, he is far below them when it comes to that. Muu could battle and utilize his sensor skills at the same time

Attributing him noticing Obito behind him to his chakra sensing? Nonsense, you must be forgetting that ninjas have other tools to notice things , hearing, smell? Overall having a prescence

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Oh god, I guess Itachi really was a sensor, considering the amount of times he's noticed people out of his range of vision

And Ive said this already, his feat in sensing naruto wasn't a sensor skill, everyone, down to Orochimaru and Sasuke was sensing Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra..

Now back to the original point of his skill making no difference on how the fight will go. Especially considering he has no manga knowledge on Itachi and his abilities.

No, they are no better. Minato has better sensing feats. What you're talking about though is the difference between active and passive sensing ability. It's not what i judge to identify who is better sensor than who, and it's also not what you must use. The better sensor for me depends on what he is capable to sense when his sensing ability is active and in this case for the reasons i already listed, Minato's sensing feats are better.

To active your sensing now, you need to mold chakra. Besides Karin who uses the eye of Kagura, no sensors are always actively sensing chakra, Muu and Tobirama included. Like i've said it's a general rule

Sensors sense all the time as long as they kneed/concentrate chakra

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Now if they are too distracted, it can happen they fail to notice something they normally should have

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Reason why none of Hokages(sensors included) sensed a thing before Orochimaru told them about war:

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Tobirama for example failed to notice Orochimaru's body was filled with his brother's cells before sensing it better(when Hashirama who was considered weak in sensing managed to):

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Tobirama also didn't notice Sarutobi's approach when he came to help Naruto:

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So i don't know how you find Tobirama different

So really it doesn't depend on your level on sensing in this case but it depends on if the sensor in question is kneeding chakra to sense or not. Minato was capable to know Naruto managed to control Kyubi and that they were partner fighting together from a distance, just like he noticed it was extracted, so Minato is capable to notice chakra build up inside a body.

Sensing in Naruto is no particularly different than in DBZ. They sense all the time but there are times it happens that when they are too focused on something like in Minato's case, they fail to notice. Like Picollo failing to notice Cell's presence:

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Or Kurillin failing to notice Bejita behind him:

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As for your question concerning the purpose in this match-up i already replied in the thread. Tsukuyomi isn't landing when a sensor can sense the build up and avoid it before it even happens

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[shelke]

why are you taking to me about chakra build up, never mentioned anything about that.

What other feats did I give Minato?

Assuming that this is what I was/am talking about ... This whole thread is a result of this made-up speculation that Minato is some kind of Regal Sensor, and that he would be able to detect Built-up for Amaterasu / Tsukuyomi etc, when his Sensor feats are passable at best. Good sensors have been shown to sense regardless of battle situation, proven by the fact when Muu evaded Naruto attacking him from behind when he himself was charging for Jinton.

 

[Joker]

Not going to lie, this is pretty entertaining.

 

[Bogard]

Its dry man Bogard keeps posting the same images.U_U

Sorry to disappoint U_U

 

[Gold Lightning]

Assuming that this is what I was/am talking about ... This whole thread is a result of this made-up speculation that Minato is some kind of Regal Sensor, and that he would be able to detect Built-up for Amaterasu / Tsukuyomi etc, when his Sensor feats are passable at best. Good sensors have been shown to sense regardless of battle situation, proven by the fact when Muu evaded Naruto attacking him from behind when he himself was charging for Jinton.

Well I've never said any of that, I was responding to what you said earlier. Why you're dragging me into something someone else said I do not know.

I've only associated Minato with the sensor feats he's shown in the manga so far. The fact is before last chapter, people were still saying Minato isn't a sensor, when they get proved wrong they do anything in their power to downplay it by any means necessary smh.

Then people refuse to admit the fact that Minato is just as good a sensor as Tobirama, who too shows that he cannot always sense unless he is concentrating or kneading chakra. It's just pure bias and hate to be honest.

Mú's level of sensing is one of the best to be honest.

 

[Owarij]

No, they are no better. Minato has better sensing feats. What you're talking about though is the difference between active and passive sensing ability. It's not what i judge to identify who is better sensor than who, and it's also not what you must use. The better sensor for me depends on what he is capable to sense when his sensing ability is active and in this case for the reasons i already listed, Minato's sensing feats are better.

And what you listed was a bunch of crap that mostly had nothing to do with sensing except the latter. As I already dealt with in my last post. Nothing at all suggested that he noticed obito with chakra sensing. He could have heard, smelt, or just noticed his prescence

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Itachi must be a sensor in that case


As for the sensing kyuubi/naruto thing. Everyone, down to Orochimaru who outright said he has no sensor skills was sensing Naruto and kyuubi at that point. Sasuke was even getting annoyed by it

 

[Ababeel]

Minato > itachi low difficult.

the manga made it clear that itachi is not on the same level as any hokage. But, what can you expect from
itachi's fans. U_U

as for BZ, it's not like if itachi was not defeated by base Tayuya in genjutsu. Lol

 

[Bogard]

And what you listed was a bunch of crap that mostly had nothing to do with sensing except the latter. As I already dealt with in my last post. Nothing at all suggested that he noticed obito with chakra sensing. He could have heard, smelt, or just noticed his prescence

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Itachi must be a sensor in that case


As for the sensing kyuubi/naruto thing. Everyone, down to Orochimaru who outright said he has no sensor skills was sensing Naruto and kyuubi at that point. Sasuke was even getting annoyed by it

Except we know Itachi isn't a sensor and we know Minato is one? Ninjas still have a natural instinct besides normal sensing. As for Orochimaru's group, everyone can feel Kyubi's chakra if you're close enough because the chakra is too powerful that it passes through your skin. They only felt Kyubi's chakra and deducted it was Naruto's since he is the only Jinchuriki they know who possess the beast. What Minato did is completely different. He was capable to notice Naruto controlled Kyubi's chakra, that they were partners and fighting together and it happened distance away

May i show you another overlooked sensing feat from Minato? During Kyubi's attack, when Minato launched a Bijuudama in his direction, the moment Minato warped the attack away, he was thinking about a safe place where to redirect it kilometers away without harming anyone. How could he know the place to redirect the Bijuudama was safe if he didn't sense the area during the same moment?

 

[shelke]

Well I've never said any of that, I was responding to what you said earlier. Why you're dragging me into something someone else said I do not know.

I've only associated Minato with the sensor feats he's shown in the manga so far. The fact is before last chapter, people were still saying Minato isn't a sensor, when they get proved wrong they do anything in their power to downplay it by any means necessary smh.

Then people refuse to admit the fact that Minato is just as good a sensor as Tobirama, who too shows that he cannot always sense unless he is concentrating or kneading chakra. It's just pure bias and hate to be honest.

Mú's level of sensing is one of the best to be honest.

Aren't you the one who quoted me in the first place? I am not dragging you into anything - as all of my posts within the thread have been on the factors I highlighted.

I have never said he isn't a sensor - probably made this statement once when not enough was shown - but have always stuck by the fact that he's a poor or sub-par sensor at best. I have never considered Tobirama to be a good sensor either. In fact, Minato edges him out a bit as I said earlier as he uses two fingers to locate / track ninjas, Minato does it with one.