Hokage's Elemental Scaling

[Brother Numpsay]

Do we really needs feats for Tobirama using large Suiton scaling at this point, in order to use it for debates/discussion?

This goes to Hiruzen, in a way, too.

As we know in part 1, all three Hokages ninjutsu's were on par with each other. What do I mean by this? In a sense of scaling. Example, Part 1[

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] Harashima's Wood Release was overwhelming as it was in a Part 2 scaling[

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]. So even series it had the same purpose of overwhelming the opponent but in a different scale.

Recent events showed Hiruzen using a "stream" of each element in a scale as such as Harashima's wood release comparison, from Part 1 to Part 2 series. Hiruzen signature Fire Dragon[

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] to a generic fire release (in large scaling)[

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].

Now my question is, to those who would disagree, why would it impossible to argue that Hiruzen's Fire Dragon can be in the same scale as the Fire Stream presented recently? And why not his Mud Wall[

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] being a scale to reach "part 2" heights of Wood Release, as it did in Part 1?

We should logically conclude it can as Hiruzen shown a larger scale of Shadow Shirukens and Fire Release. Therefore the rest of what he hasn't shown in Part 2, that he did use in part 1, should equal in the new scaling of the series.

NOW, as for Tobirama. Tobirama was already clashing evenly with Hiruzen's ninjutsu in part 1 series[

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Why can't make make the logical conclusion that Tobirama can make the same scaling for his Water Jutsu's, on par with Hiruzen's, when logic follows it as a "feat".

 

[Deadai]

I never noticed that Tobirama used water dragon jutsu!
this is a fantastic find plus rep!
(notice the face the water jutsu tech that Tobirama used.)

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I never noticed that Tobirama used water dragon jutsu!
this is a fantastic find plus rep!
(notice the face the water jutsu tech that Tobirama used.)

Yea, I would have never notice, until I saw the databook for it. Databook said water dragon. And had me looking at how it was ever formed a dragon.

 

[End of Days]

then you would have people arguing that hiruzen can make shinsuusenju size doton walls because lolscaling

 

[Brother Numpsay]

then you would have people arguing that hiruzen can make shinsuusenju size doton walls because lolscaling

No they can't, as Shinsuusenju is much larger then then Harashima's normal Wood release he presented.

 

[End of Days]

No they can't, as Shinsuusenju is much larger then then Harashima's normal Wood release he presented.

sage mode didnt exist in part one

 

[Brother Numpsay]

sage mode didnt exist in part one

Ok? That doesn't change the fact that using Sage Mode scaling would be bigger anyway. As Sage Mode increases ninjutsu.

 

[sharingansennin]

Do we really needs feats for Tobirama using large Suiton scaling at this point, in order to use it for debates/discussion?

This goes to Hiruzen, in a way, too.

As we know in part 1, all three Hokages ninjutsu's were on par with each other. What do I mean by this? In a sense of scaling. Example, Part 1[

You must be registered for see links

] Harashima's Wood Release was overwhelming as it was in a Part 2 scaling[

You must be registered for see links

]. So even series it had the same purpose of overwhelming the opponent but in a different scale.

Recent events showed Hiruzen using a "stream" of each element in a scale as such as Harashima's wood release comparison, from Part 1 to Part 2 series. Hiruzen signature Fire Dragon[

You must be registered for see links

] to a generic fire release (in large scaling)[

You must be registered for see links

].

Now my question is, to those who would disagree, why would it impossible to argue that Hiruzen's Fire Dragon can be in the same scale as the Fire Stream presented recently? And why not his Mud Wall[

You must be registered for see links

] being a scale to reach "part 2" heights of Wood Release, as it did in Part 1?

We should logically conclude it can as Hiruzen shown a larger scale of Shadow Shirukens and Fire Release. Therefore the rest of what he hasn't shown in Part 2, that he did use in part 1, should equal in the new scaling of the series.

NOW, as for Tobirama. Tobirama was already clashing evenly with Hiruzen's ninjutsu in part 1 series[

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][

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].

Why can't make make the logical conclusion that Tobirama can make the same scaling for his Water Jutsu's, on par with Hiruzen's, when logic follows it as a "feat".

it's not right to give feats that aren't shown, if we do that we have to do that for EVERY character to be fair and it just ends up being people wanting to boost their favorites and not at all care about other characters's abilities.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

it's not right to give feats that aren't shown,

Actually they were shown. If you read the OP clearly part 2 scaling feats were much larger then part 1. Both utilized the same jutsu but series amp up the scaling.

if we do that we have to do that for EVERY character to be fair and it just ends up being people wanting to boost their favorites and not at all care about other characters's abilities.

Whos every character lol? At least give an example to those who should have had a scaling higher then their part 1 version.

 

[YellowFang]

I'd agree on Hiruzen and Tobirama part...
But, it was established in P.1 that Hashirama could make a forest as big as Konoha in just a clap of hands... Which he didn't because of that barrier.

Hashirama's scale is still multitudes above that of Hiruzen or Tobirama...

Just for the sake of argument, I don't see Hiruzen alone handling that Mokuton assault Madara did on Gokage which Naruto with the aid of Kurama stopped with SM army...

 

[KingHashirama]

You shouldn't use the words part 1 to part 2. But instead, say that Tobirama now is near his full power , and can utilize his power into his jutsus.

 

[Mellanoma]

Do we really needs feats for Tobirama using large Suiton scaling at this point, in order to use it for debates/discussion?

This goes to Hiruzen, in a way, too.

As we know in part 1, all three Hokages ninjutsu's were on par with each other. What do I mean by this? In a sense of scaling. Example, Part 1[

You must be registered for see links

] Harashima's Wood Release was overwhelming as it was in a Part 2 scaling[

You must be registered for see links

]. So even series it had the same purpose of overwhelming the opponent but in a different scale.

Recent events showed Hiruzen using a "stream" of each element in a scale as such as Harashima's wood release comparison, from Part 1 to Part 2 series. Hiruzen signature Fire Dragon[

You must be registered for see links

] to a generic fire release (in large scaling)[

You must be registered for see links

].

Now my question is, to those who would disagree, why would it impossible to argue that Hiruzen's Fire Dragon can be in the same scale as the Fire Stream presented recently? And why not his Mud Wall[

You must be registered for see links

] being a scale to reach "part 2" heights of Wood Release, as it did in Part 1?

We should logically conclude it can as Hiruzen shown a larger scale of Shadow Shirukens and Fire Release. Therefore the rest of what he hasn't shown in Part 2, that he did use in part 1, should equal in the new scaling of the series.

NOW, as for Tobirama. Tobirama was already clashing evenly with Hiruzen's ninjutsu in part 1 series[

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

].

Why can't make make the logical conclusion that Tobirama can make the same scaling for his Water Jutsu's, on par with Hiruzen's, when logic follows it as a "feat".

I agree although this board is filled with Trolls and children.

Hashirama mokuton was restricted by the barrier FYI.

Furthermore i'm still trying to figure out how the roof they were fighting on didn't collaspe considering it had a HUGE Pilar of solid rock, A forest, lots of water, and cracks from chakra molding happening on top of it.

You shouldn't use the words part 1 to part 2. But instead, say that Tobirama now is near his full power , and can utilize his power into his jutsus.

Still wouldn't add up because that would mean Hiruzen was not 100% when living and now he been revived less than 100% but stronger than his living 100% self lol