senju, uzumaki, uchiha -- weird find.

[mayibongwe]

this is a sequel to my prev post.
i know its long but please read, trust me, you will enjoy it and it will make a lot of sense.

someone posted a picture that sparked something in my mind.

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it says: "The elder was born with the sage's eyes and was gifted with powerfull charkras and spiritual energy".
then it says: "the younger was born with the sage's body and was gifted with life force and physical energy".

now i know wikipedia or even the manga says the Senju is a decendent of the youngers son, however that belief is based of things that madara found out.

i believe that even the Senju are decendents of of the older son. Which is why i believe Madara's power level is not so6p, but it is at the level of the older son. Why does an Uchiha need the Senju power to get the the older son"s eyes.

my belief is that the Uzumaki are the actual younger son's clan but they were attacked by the older son's clan before it could split.

wikipedia says: "The Senju clan (千手一族, Senju Ichizoku) was a group of shinobi that were the strongest, feared and most respected clan above all other clans in the ninja world"

the senju don't have a massive life force but the are blessed with powerfull chakras and spiritual energy matching the older son's description.

senju + uchiha = older son.

wikia says: " The members of the Uzumaki clan possessed an incredibly strong life force which can both endure and survive most grievous injuries plus incredible longevity"

matching the younger son's description.

Kishimoto never elaborated on the Uzumaki clan because "He felt he must save the best for last".

so why are the Senju fighting the Uchiha, simply because they have different views. that is why hashirama gave sasuke something, which might put him at madara's level without the juubi. (sasuke == madara without juubi) although (current madara > sasuke).

Naruto will also unleash his full power. so basically it will be (naruto (younger son's level + sasuke (older son's level) vs madara (older son's level + juubi))

so why will naruto and sasuke fight in the end? because the people will do the exact same thing that the so6p did - and that is to aknowledge the younger son (Naruto).

coinsidentionally Sasuke is older that naruto=D.

I also strongly believe that no one will reach so6p level.

That's my view. Thank you for reading this far.

anyway, please tell me what you think.

[edit] - the older son's clan is unknown because he never wanted to part of clan, which explains why he never wore headband. the senju dissagreed with that caused the disputes. the uzumaki whr wiped out because they are the only older's sons weakness, they can seal the older son's powers - the uzumaki where probably responsible for doing this whole uchiha + senju separation but madara does not know that - which is why he will be defeated. Orochimaru probably knows that.

 

[Matt]

quite reasonable actually

 

[Yanks]

Nice find .

 

[Uchiha Samater]

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Uzumaki Origins: Unknown


If Uchiha + Senju = Older Son, Your Logic Would Also Mean, Senju + Uchiha = Younger Son

Not entirely plausible, unless Kishi will give Naruto Uchiha DNA To Make Him The Younger Son And Have Sasuke Awake The Rinnegan, Which Will Ignore The Foreshadow Regarding The Sage's Hypothetical Return

 

[GenKiDama]

so then why do no senju get the sharingan...

 

[mayibongwe]

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Uzumaki Origins: Unknown


If Uchiha + Senju = Older Son, Your Logic Would Also Mean, Senju + Uchiha = Younger Son

Not entirely plausible, unless Kishi will give Naruto Uchiha DNA To Make Him The Younger Son And Have Sasuke Awake The Rinnegan, Which Will Ignore The Foreshadow Regarding The Sage's Hypothetical Return

like i said, Obito got that information from madara - Madara could be wrong because he came will this information because of the senju DNA.

so then why do no senju get the sharingan...

because of DNA complications, i gues

 

[Rikudoou naruto]

What if uzumaki is both senju and uchiha?
That would clear up a few things if naruto was to awaken rinnegan / full control over gedo
That means the uzumaki is a danger to madara's plan and maybe thats why the
Uzumaki have been exterminated? All except karin and naruto that is..

I think the uzumaki is related to the gedo mazou at least
-chakra chains
-strong life force
-lots of chakra
-sealing

Had a whole thread about this last week, feel free to read it

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

your theory is quite plausible U_U

 

[lawman62]

so much for uzushiogakure

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[mayibongwe]

there is an edit in the post, please read it... right at the end (the last statement)

 

[Creedo]

You said that Uchiha needs Senju DNA to awaken older son's eyes, but actually this combination allows to awaken Rinnegan which were eyes of the sage itself. Which must mean that Uchicha and Senju come from different sons.

 

[mayibongwe]

You said that Uchiha needs Senju DNA to awaken older son's eyes, but actually this combination allows to awaken Rinnegan which were eyes of the sage itself. Which must mean that Uchicha and Senju come from different sons.

no, u don't understand what i'm trying to say, yes you need senju plus uchiha blood to awaken older son. madara got life force because of juubi in him now, but before that he was equal to older son. rinnegan was the eye of the sage but rinnegan was not the only thing sage had. it was life force and sage body to live longer which both uchiha and senju don't have even if they merge.

what i'm trying to say is that, i think the Uzumaki are responsible for the uchiha + senju seperation, divided the clan.

 

[Creedo]

no, u don't understand what i'm trying to say, yes you need senju plus uchiha blood to awaken older son. madara got life force because of juubi in him now, but before that he was equal to older son. rinnegan was the eye of the sage but rinnegan was not the only thing sage had. it was life force and sage body to live longer which both uchiha and senju don't have even if they merge.

You are misunderstanding what I want to say, I'm not saying that all the sage had was Rinnegan. This guy had everything combined. I don't disagree with you about Uzumaki part.

But, again you say that Uchiha+Senju=Older Son's eyes, which is clearly wrong.

Madara awakened his Rinnegan by combining Senju and Uchiha. We don't talk about sage's life force here. Madara did it prior to connecting himself to Gedo Mazou, otherwise he wouldn't be able to transplant them into Nagato.

Right now he indeed has life force from Juubi, but it is wrong to say that before becoming its jinchuuriki he was the same as Older Son, because he clearly had other dojutsu, and we still don't know a clue about Older Son eye techs.

 

[mayibongwe]

You are misunderstanding what I want to say, I'm not saying that all the sage had was Rinnegan. This guy had everything combined. I don't disagree with you about Uzumaki part.

But, again you say that Uchiha+Senju=Older Son's eyes, which is clearly wrong.

Madara awakened his Rinnegan by combining Senju and Uchiha. We don't talk about sage's life force here. Madara did it prior to connecting himself to Gedo Mazou, otherwise he wouldn't be able to transplant them into Nagato.

Right now he indeed has life force from Juubi, but it is wrong to say that before becoming its jinchuuriki he was the same as Older Son, because he clearly had other dojutsu, and we still don't know a clue about Older Son eye techs.

i feal you.

but in your opinion is senju from younger or older?

 

[nandachikara]

Nice thread and well explained.

 

[dark legion]

It was worthy to read till end ... I liked It , and I agree your idea that Uzumaki were killed by elder's son bloodline clan , in order that they wont be a threat for them ... +thank from me .that's what u got :x3:

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

I think uzumaki and senju were from the same tribe (younger son/rikkudou's tribe). but the uzumaki's stayed true to their beliefs (younger sons beliefs, yahiko's belief, naruto's belief) while the senju lost faith/hope and split off and joined the fighting.

i made this thread a while back about how rikkudou chose the younger son as his successor as king/prince or whatever of the otsotsuki tribe and how the older son left the tribe like madara did with konoha etc...

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I also think madara is the one responsible for destroying uzushiogakure, i think he used kirigakure while konoha was at war in the second shinobi world war.

 

[YellowFang]

That's quite plausible analysis... Even when based on assumptions...

And the reasons why Senju don't have sharingan is probably because they inherited only the physical part of their ancestor and Uchiha, the eyes...

 

[phantomlord22]

nice thread
It's actually logical...

nice job

 

[Byron123]

That doesn't make sense. So wait, you say that uchiha + senju = older son. Yet we know that in order to get the rinnegan (sage dna) you need uchiha + senju as well. In that sense it's like you're saying older son= sage of six paths. You might still say that the older son did not have the uzumaki strong lifeforce but yet you suggest that the senju that derived, hypothetically, from the older son, have such strong vitality and physical power, while the older son himself didn't have them.

As for you edit, you make it sound as nothing is known about older son's clan, while we know more about senju's clan. That's also a fallacy. We neither have information about the senju's ancestor. If we want to be exact, the two sons were born Otsutsuki and then their special characteristics are what they made them so distinctive. Besides, your conclusion doesn't make sense. If uzumaki could seal elder's powers, that still doesn't explain how they could be the ones that divined, supposedly, his power and gave to the senju their wood style and such other characteristics, which the older himself didn't have. And also, if they could even do that, then why they didn't seize his power, and they just gave it to unknown people istead of becoming they themselves powerful?