[Theory] Reasons why the man inside spiral zetsu isn't yamato but...

[minamoto]

Your argument is flawed. It doesn't seem like the person inside is controlling spiral because spiral still has his character (poop and shit). If someone was conscious inside of spiral they would control him (so it has to be yamato as he is unconscious). Plus spiral wasn't able to perform such high level wood jutsus before but with Yamato inside of him, the power could be amplified.

my argument is'nt flawed...i am right !!...the man inside spiral zetsu is the 2nd madara..its the archaic body of madara...madara was the reall tobi who was controlling both of obito and spiral zetsu...you are just unable to see through kishimoto's illusion

 

[minamoto]

Lol at this thread.

Tobi didn't have dominant and recessive personalities existing inside him..... they were all acts. The goofy version of Tobi and the serious Madara version of Tobi were ploys. He used the power of the sharingan to copy voices (if the sharingan does that, otherwise he just copied them in an unexplained way) and pretended to be like them. Its clear that, yes, Spiral Zetsu is the same as goofy Tobi, but that's simply an act he put on to hide his true self. Perhaps it was even a testament to his friend.

None of your chapters or anime references prove anything. The only one of relevance is the chapter 618 reference about Zetsu inside Sasuke. But don't forget, those Zetsu were doing nothing to influence Sasuke's personality nor his action. Obito was simply putting on acts. Lastly, I myself went through the process of believing that Tobi himself was some combination of Madara where Madara might have been part of him, but its simply not so. Madara being part of the man inside Zetsu is too complicated. For those reasons, I disagree with this thread.

just one advice for you : you are saying obito copycated madara's and spiral's zetsus voice with sharingan...but this is just a theory in the same way i am making my tobimadara theory...so becarfull your fuzzy truth might end up being an illusion

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

just one advice for you : you are saying obito copycated madara's and spiral's zetsus voice with sharingan...but this is just a theory in the same way i am making my tobimadara theory...so becarfull your fuzzy truth might end up being an illusion

Yamato could change his voice too.. for all we know everyone can do it.. and otherwise if it depends on mokuton obito has mokuton.

 

[uhIpooped]

Why does everyone always forget that Madara created the Zetsu's (or at the least had a helping hand) .. What was Spirals main purpose? To gain Obito's trust/influence/control .. It IS REASONABLE to assume that While Spiral was connected to Obito, he was Controlling him to a point.. I remember reading that he can communicate telepathically ..

Many seem to forget the Voice changes too (i know anime has little bearing here) the Kid like playful voice of Tobi was spiral.. The sinister malevolent voice was Obito .. just like how Black and White Z's have different voices.

So Why is it so Unfeasible that Spiral can be holding an incapacitated Yamato within himself, taking full advantage of the fact that Yamato is a clone of Hashi, and has all his inherent abilities.. ???

It's really not that unfeasible... Plus I'm pretty sure that Kishi was getting a lot of flak from friends about Yamato, and it's really the perfect way to re-introduce his character..

It's my opinion that Madara was conducting experiments similar to Oro, trying to combine the Uchiha and Senju DNA's .. He was able to create Black from his will.. White from Hashi's cells, and Spiral was probably the 1st successful combination of the 2.. Hashi's body, Madara's will .. Spiral, containing Madara's will would be able to subjugate the person inside.

Madara also used the Zetsu's to record battle data, so that he could copy those tech's or know how they work and thus be able to counter them easily..(no other explanation as to why zetsu recorded battles has come up yet) which is probably why he was so OP before becoming a jin.

But yeah, pretty sure it's Yamato
this thread is kinda like everyone said Tobi COULDN'T be Obito

 

[Draxus]

Dude you push this tobi-madara theory of yours so hard. Are you Derp Obito's alt account or something?

1- Yamato isn't helping Madara, that's the first bad assumption you're working with, it's manga fact Spiral can control the body instead of the person that's inside. Yamato can still be a good guy, and this is a perfect way to re-introduce him into the story. The fact that Spiral, and possibly Kabuto, have returned shows that Kishi isn't just leaving loose ends out there.

2- How does it appear the man inside is in control? So far it's only hinted that Spiral is talking, please provide some evidence for this claim.

3- By revealing the ear, Kishi is showing that there indeed IS someone inside Spiral Zetsu, and it's not purely using it's own power. Again nothing indicates Spiral isn't in control.

4- This is just plain false.

5- Again FALSE. You even indicated you weren't sure he's dead earlier in your own post.

6- Sorry to say it, but you're so obsessed with your own theory, you can't understand that others have good reasons to think otherwise.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Sorry, I went in with an open mind and wanted to be wrong but your explanation of 2 Madaras really isn't any less convoluted than the explanation of Yamato being evil would be. Spiral Zetsu could also totally just be using Yamato's powers with or without his permission.

 

[minamoto]

Dude you push this tobi-madara theory of yours so hard. Are you Derp Obito's alt account or something?

1- Yamato isn't helping Madara, that's the first bad assumption you're working with, it's manga fact Spiral can control the body instead of the person that's inside. Yamato can still be a good guy, and this is a perfect way to re-introduce him into the story. The fact that Spiral, and possibly Kabuto, have returned shows that Kishi isn't just leaving loose ends out there.

2- How does it appear the man inside is in control? So far it's only hinted that Spiral is talking, please provide some evidence for this claim.

3- By revealing the ear, Kishi is showing that there indeed IS someone inside Spiral Zetsu, and it's not purely using it's own power. Again nothing indicates Spiral isn't in control.

4- This is just plain false.

5- Again FALSE. You even indicated you weren't sure he's dead earlier in your own post.

6- Sorry to say it, but you're so obsessed with your own theory, you can't understand that others have good reasons to think otherwise.

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1- i dont understand why you brought the name of sir derp obito in here..tobidara is my theory my thoughts
2-its not Yamato...saying yamato is inside spiral zetsu is just an unproved theory...wich doesn't have any logic...so stop treating it as a fact..
3- Tobi is uchiha madara controlling both of spiral zetsu and obito...wich explains why madara is the final villain
4- the one who is inside spiral zetsu is the archaic body of madara..its the 2nd madara its madara!!!!...
5- you are just victim of kishimoto's illusion

 

[MrDuck]

just one advice for you : you are saying obito copycated madara's and spiral's zetsus voice with sharingan...but this is just a theory in the same way i am making my tobimadara theory...so becarfull your fuzzy truth might end up being an illusion

Shinobi can transform into another from, so why wouldn't they be able to alter their voice? The Henge Jutsu is even one of the most basic jutsu they learn.

Also like said by others, Yamato has also shown to be able to change his voice to Sasori's. It's really not that hard.

 

[Draxus]

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1- i dont understand why you brought the name of sir derp obito in here..tobidara is my theory my thoughts
2-its not Yamato...saying yamato is inside spiral zetsu is just an unproved theory...wich doesn't have any logic...so stop treating it as a fact..
3- Tobi is uchiha madara controlling both of spiral zetsu and obito...wich explains why madara is the final villain
4- the one who is inside spiral zetsu is the archaic body of madara..its the 2nd madara its madara!!!!...
5- you are just victim of kishimoto's illusion

From these responses I can only assume you are slow or a troll, since you didn't address any of my point directly. Either way I'm outta here after this response.

1. It was a joke, dude. Both of you seem to like making a bunch of threads about the same theory, acting as if it's fact. Not saying you took his ideas.
2. I never said it was fact. I was just explaining why people think it is, and discrediting your very weak reasons as to why it's not.
3. Wow... you only waited one sentence before becoming a complete hypocrite. Nice theory, kid, but ultimately it's just bad.
4. Again... stating theories like facts. I know that's what you think, but most would disagree.
5. Uh... yeah, sure. Well ignorance is bliss and all.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Lol at this thread.

Tobi didn't have dominant and recessive personalities existing inside him..... they were all acts. The goofy version of Tobi and the serious Madara version of Tobi were ploys. He used the power of the sharingan to copy voices (if the sharingan does that, otherwise he just copied them in an unexplained way) and pretended to be like them. Its clear that, yes, Spiral Zetsu is the same as goofy Tobi, but that's simply an act he put on to hide his true self. Perhaps it was even a testament to his friend.

None of your chapters or anime references prove anything. The only one of relevance is the chapter 618 reference about Zetsu inside Sasuke. But don't forget, those Zetsu were doing nothing to influence Sasuke's personality nor his action. Obito was simply putting on acts. Lastly, I myself went through the process of believing that Tobi himself was some combination of Madara where Madara might have been part of him, but its simply not so. Madara being part of the man inside Zetsu is too complicated. For those reasons, I disagree with this thread.

Anime shows that Yamato could copy Sasori's voice based on reference, in less than a minute, so even sharingan isn't needed for this.

 

[minamoto]

From these responses I can only assume you are slow or a troll, since you didn't address any of my point directly. Either way I'm outta here after this response.

1. It was a joke, dude. Both of you seem to like making a bunch of threads about the same theory, acting as if it's fact. Not saying you took his ideas.
2. I never said it was fact. I was just explaining why people think it is, and discrediting your very weak reasons as to why it's not.
3. Wow... you only waited one sentence before becoming a complete hypocrite. Nice theory, kid, but ultimately it's just bad.
4. Again... stating theories like facts. I know that's what you think, but most would disagree.
5. Uh... yeah, sure. Well ignorance is bliss and all.

you know why i didn't adress your points?...its becuz they were already adressed in this thread wich proves you are either a troll or an iidiot...so let me explain them to you again + add more points:

1-yamato was being incapacitated...out of chakra...his body was used by the hashirama statue to creat the white zetsus army...in other words puting him inside spiral zetsu now is useless..

2-spiral zetsu himself is made up of hashirama's cells...without yamato...when yamato was put inside hashirama's statue it was to increase THE NUMBERS of the zetsus army...and if yamato was that special then tobi wouldve captured him long time ago and not show desire to kill him...

3-though they were created using yamato's cells , Madara called the white zetsus created by obito a failed experiments...and i tell you why (just my theory ok?)...its becuz madara created the white zetsus personalities using the inyoton or sozo banbutsu...for exemple he created the white zetsu serious and spiral one goofy stupid (purposly)..

4- saying yamato is inside spiral zetsu is just illogicall you know why?...becuz the chapters are connected...in chapter
661 the white zetsu spoke about the INSIDES being well..then in next chapter it appeared that one of those insides is spiral zetsu who suddeny appeared in manga from nowhere..and that the one who is inside spiral zetsu is the 2nd inside !!..now the problem they were inside who??...they obviously where inside obito's body controlling him since rin's death..and i already said why in this thread and wont repeat it read it above....

5- i have feelings that part of obito's right side body (chest) is ripped off due to the insides coming out from him ....

 

[Uchiha Samater]

overthinking

 

[Draxus]

you know why i didn't adress your points?...its becuz they were already adressed in this thread wich proves you are either a troll or an iidiot...so let me explain them to you again + add more points:

1-yamato was being incapacitated...out of chakra...his body was used by the hashirama statue to creat the white zetsus army...in other words puting him inside spiral zetsu now is useless..

2-spiral zetsu himself is made up of hashirama's cells...without yamato...when yamato was put inside hashirama's statue it was to increase THE NUMBERS of the zetsus army...and if yamato was that special then tobi wouldve captured him long time ago and not show desire to kill him...

3-though they were created using yamato's cells , Madara called the white zetsus created by obito a failed experiments...and i tell you why (just my theory ok?)...its becuz madara created the white zetsus personalities using the inyoton or sozo banbutsu...for exemple he created the white zetsu serious and spiral one goofy stupid (purposly)..

4- saying yamato is inside spiral zetsu is just illogicall you know why?...becuz the chapters are connected...in chapter
661 the white zetsu spoke about the INSIDES being well..then in next chapter it appeared that one of those insides is spiral zetsu who suddeny appeared in manga from nowhere..and that the one who is inside spiral zetsu is the 2nd inside !!..now the problem they were inside who??...they obviously where inside obito's body controlling him since rin's death..and i already said why in this thread and wont repeat it read it above....

5- i have feelings that part of obito's right side body (chest) is ripped off due to the insides coming out from him ....

I know I said I was done, but when you come w/ such dubious points I can't help myself. First let me say, if you think you addressed this in this thread on other responses, I apologize. I don't read the entire thread, just the OP.

1. False, there is nothing in the manga that states Yamoto's chakra was drained.

2. So why do you think it boosted the number? Do you think the power used to do that couldn't be focused into 1 zetsu? The zetsu's number was originally provided by Gedo Mezzo. Do you also believe the Gedo can't boost the power of a zetsu? Since when in the history of the manga has getting additional chakra NOT increased power? The 2nd point is dumb, because this isn't real life it's a story. I could say it was the same reason Obito didn't capture Naruto in the woods or in the samurai's country... shucks he could have easily got Naruto when he left the village on his first mission. However if I had to come up with something, the obvious answer is Obito NEVER wanted Yamoto, because he didn't really need him. Him being captured was just a bonus just like the edo army.

3. Or instead of that convoluted mess, with no manga proof backing it... we can say that they are failed experiments because they aren't perfect clones of Hashirama as Madara intended them to be.

4. I'm not sure how you define logic, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. Again, you are over-thinking. The "insides" comment was clearly talking about what's inside Spiral Zetsu, as HE was shown NEXT. Obito hasn't even been shown SINCE that comment. Then Kishi shows us there is someone inside SZ, confirming the comment was about who's inside SZ. The most logically connection is what comes after, not before... that's why it's called FOREshadowing. Why would there be a 2nd insides, THAT my friend is illogical.

5. Yeah, your theory that you re-post every week. I don't care about it and I'm not addressing it. I'm not saying your theory isn't valid, I'm only demonstrating the theory that Yamato is inside SZ is just as valid, if not more so.

 

[minamoto]

I know I said I was done, but when you come w/ such dubious points I can't help myself. First let me say, if you think you addressed this in this thread on other responses, I apologize. I don't read the entire thread, just the OP.

1. False, there is nothing in the manga that states Yamoto's chakra was drained.

2. So why do you think it boosted the number? Do you think the power used to do that couldn't be focused into 1 zetsu? The zetsu's number was originally provided by Gedo Mezzo. Do you also believe the Gedo can't boost the power of a zetsu? Since when in the history of the manga has getting additional chakra NOT increased power? The 2nd point is dumb, because this isn't real life it's a story. I could say it was the same reason Obito didn't capture Naruto in the woods or in the samurai's country... shucks he could have easily got Naruto when he left the village on his first mission. However if I had to come up with something, the obvious answer is Obito NEVER wanted Yamoto, because he didn't really need him. Him being captured was just a bonus just like the edo army.

3. Or instead of that convoluted mess, with no manga proof backing it... we can say that they are failed experiments because they aren't perfect clones of Hashirama as Madara intended them to be.

4. I'm not sure how you define logic, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. Again, you are over-thinking. The "insides" comment was clearly talking about what's inside Spiral Zetsu, as HE was shown NEXT. Obito hasn't even been shown SINCE that comment. Then Kishi shows us there is someone inside SZ, confirming the comment was about who's inside SZ. The most logically connection is what comes after, not before... that's why it's called FOREshadowing. Why would there be a 2nd insides, THAT my friend is illogical.

5. Yeah, your theory that you re-post every week. I don't care about it and I'm not addressing it. I'm not saying your theory isn't valid, I'm only demonstrating the theory that Yamato is inside SZ is just as valid, if not more so.

1- me said that the zetsus weren't created from the Gedo mazo?! wtf?!...LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..i wont even bother replay that...
2- tobi could capture naruto when he visited him....but sadly when tobi just said hello to naruto..naruto quickly responded back with the rasengan+ yamato and kakashi appeared from nowhere = since naruto is a wanted jinchuriki. he was under surveillance of kakashi , yamato and even A.N.B.U......your argument is just a failure ..and you must be dumb if you think naruto was left without surveillence !!..

3-now you are double dumb for your argument about the insides...becuz the white zetsu spoke about the "insides" in chapter 661 (befor even the spiral zetsu's appearance)...so how could you tell the insides is the one inside spiral zetsu befor the spiral zetsu's appearance??!!!..also notice how the white zetsu said the insideS wich means they are more then 1 and at least 2...and for your info i predicted that the insides were spiral zetsu+ tobimadara befor the chapter of spiral zetsu's appearance..and i was right about spiral one, when poeple thought it was bullshit from me...and in the same way they will also call my tobidara theory stupid ,becuz they have 00 logiccc in their brainnn just like you!!...btw here's the link...

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4-plzz dont write me again cuz you are an idiottt

 

[Draxus]

1- me said that the zetsus weren't created from the Gedo mazo?! wtf?!...LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..i wont even bother replay that...
2- tobi could capture naruto when he visited him....but sadly when tobi just said hello to naruto..naruto quickly responded back with the rasengan+ yamato and kakashi appeared from nowhere = since naruto is a wanted jinchuriki. he was under surveillance of kakashi , yamato and even A.N.B.U......your argument is just a failure ..and you must be dumb if you think naruto was left without surveillence !!..

3-now you are double dumb for your argument about the insides...becuz the white zetsu spoke about the "insides" in chapter 661 (befor even the spiral zetsu's appearance)...so how could you tell the insides is the one inside spiral zetsu befor the spiral zetsu's appearance??!!!..also notice how the white zetsu said the insideS wich means they are more then 1 and at least 2...and for your info i predicted that the insides were spiral zetsu+ tobimadara befor the chapter of spiral zetsu's appearance..and i was right about spiral one, when poeple thought it was bullshit from me...and in the same way they will also call my tobidara theory stupid ,becuz they have 00 logiccc in their brainnn just like you!!...btw here's the link...

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4-plzz dont write me again cuz you are an idiottt

How about next time actually counter the points I make instead of just taking pieces that you can handle. Though I suppose it's easier to just call me names when you have no actual counter.

1. I never said you said that. WTF, indeed.

2. Great ignore the acutal point and try to pick apart an example. Fine I'll give you that one, care to actually get back to THIS debate.

3. Hey smart guy... Spiral Zetsu was already fighting the SA when White Zetsu said that, it just hadn't been shown in the manga. The "insideS" thing is purely up to context. Obviously you have poor reading comprehension so I can't expect you to understand why "insides" doesn't necessarily mean the inside of multiple things. But hey... maybe English isn't your first language. Oh so you guessed something right before, so everything you guess in future must be right too... sounds legit.

4. I'll continue to post as long as I don't bored blowing every point you make completely out of the water. I'm sure it must be quite frustrating for you.

 

[iKaras]

Its Menma...what?

 

[minamoto]

How about next time actually counter the points I make instead of just taking pieces that you can handle. Though I suppose it's easier to just call me names when you have no actual counter.

1. I never said you said that. WTF, indeed.

2. Great ignore the acutal point and try to pick apart an example. Fine I'll give you that one, care to actually get back to THIS debate.

3. Hey smart guy... Spiral Zetsu was already fighting the SA when White Zetsu said that, it just hadn't been shown in the manga. The "insideS" thing is purely up to context. Obviously you have poor reading comprehension so I can't expect you to understand why "insides" doesn't necessarily mean the inside of multiple things. But hey... maybe English isn't your first language. Oh so you guessed something right before, so everything you guess in future must be right too... sounds legit.

4. I'll continue to post as long as I don't bored blowing every point you make completely out of the water. I'm sure it must be quite frustrating for you.

lol you hav'nt contradicted any point i made yet...you know what?...you are either a kid or acting like a kid...so listen up lets us wait and see who's right or wrong..im prretty sure tobi is madara who was controlling both of obito and spiral zetsu in the same body....


...peace!

 

[Byron123]

I'm not going to talk about this subject because I don't actually I agree and neither do I care to elaborate on that. However, I have a piece of advice for you. I saw how you used as an argument, both here and at your youtube account, the use of the word "insides" suggesting that Zetsu was talking about something in plural. Such conclusions are wrong to begin with because they all depend on the translation some people give to a specific word without searching it in such depth. For instance, in ***********'s version (now it's no longer available) Zetsu had used the word "base" instead of that meaning singular. What I'm trying to say is that if you want to be so nit-picking with the examination of the used words then make at least sure that you will you a tranlation of excellent quality, otherwise your conclusions will be completely mistaken. Example:

Mangapanda's translation:

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***********'s translation:

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In the first the dialogues are completely f*cked up and the only thing you get is confusion.

 

[Draxus]

lol you hav'nt contradicted any point i made yet...you know what?...you are either a kid or acting like a kid...so listen up lets us wait and see who's right or wrong..im prretty sure tobi is madara who was controlling both of obito and spiral zetsu in the same body....


...peace!

I contradicted EVERY point you made relevant to the discussion, even the weak ones. I have enough respect to do at least that much, though you don't seem to return the favor. Again you go to name calling instead of valid points, I'm not sure you're even reading my whole posts at this point. You seem to think you can shame me into not replying to you, as if I'm somehow dodging you questions. But anyone who's read this chain can see that it's you are who on the ropes, my friend.

Wanna try again, or are you ready to admit it's just as like Yamato can be inside Zetsu instead of tobi-madara?

 

[minamoto]

I'm not going to talk about this subject because I don't actually I agree and neither do I care to elaborate on that. However, I have a piece of advice for you. I saw how you used as an argument, both here and at your youtube account, the use of the word "insides" suggesting that Zetsu was talking about something in plural. Such conclusions are wrong to begin with because they all depend on the translation some people give to a specific word without searching it in such depth. For instance, in ***********'s version (now it's no longer available) Zetsu had used the word "base" instead of that meaning singular. What I'm trying to say is that if you want to be so nit-picking with the examination of the used words then make at least sure that you will you a tranlation of excellent quality, otherwise your conclusions will be completely mistaken. Example:

Mangapanda's translation:

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***********'s translation:

You must be registered for see images

In the first the dialogues are completely f*cked up and the only thing you get is confusion.

-1st you sent me the wrong link page of the chapter....

2nd- the white zetsu said the insideS ARE SURPRISINGLY well....he was clearly refering to more then one person...also the insides were inside obito's body..and they received the same weakness and injuries that obito received during his fight against the shinobi alliance ...

3-then the white zetsu said to madara : " THOSE on the verge of death need a right away treatment"...again the spiral zetsu is confirming that those insides are not only persons but also they are more then one (and at least 2)..
4-its you who dont analyze his facts...so you should give that advice to yourself...
5- the real masked man tobi is uchiha madara who was controlling both of obito and spiral zetsu in the same body..
6-peace!