[Theory] Recreating the Sage's Body and Eyes.

[Mr Hiru]

Well people. I had some crazy thoughts... After doing some research (chapter 462), and about the origin of Rinnegan, I have been tracing the components of the Sage's Body and Sage's Eyes.

First thing the first... I won't put proof for this theory, since these are things I assume are common culture for the NB. But if people need this proof, I'll gladly post it below.

So, I'll continue elaborating:

- We know that the Sage got two sons... The Elder (Uchiha clan ancestor) and the Younger (Senju clan ancestor).

- We know that the Elder inherited the Sage's Eyes, and the Younger inherited the Sage's Body.

We have the first Dilema... If the Elder Son inherited the Sage's Eyes, "why aren't these eyes the Rinnegan?"

Manga shown us that Madara awakened the Rinnegan under certain circumstances... specifically in the verge of death, when having both Uchiha and Senju DNA. The special thing about this, even if it sounds obvious, is that Madara had the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan at this point, the strongest eyes an Uchiha could have. These eyes have Yin powers.

Madara had the Eyes... Madara had Hashirama's DNA. The combination of both Eyes and the Senju DNA let him awake the Rinnegan. Please take in consideration, as he was an Uchiha, the Yin powers were overflowing in his body but specially in the eyes, so it was natural for him to awake the Eyes of the Sage. Please take in consideration, that most of the cells in Madara were his own cells.

Now, what should we consider as the true Sage's eyes? The Rinnegan? or the Elder Son's Doujutsu that evolved into the Sharingan? I'll consider the Rinnegan as the Former Sage Eyes, while the Sharingan will be the New form of the Sage's Eyes in the current context.

...now, where is the Sage's body?

We should consider that the circumstances to reach the body of the sage (the former one, the genuine) we should consider analog circumstances viewed from the opposite side. This would be by Hashirama having Madara's DNA. Mostly, Hashirama had to have a bit of Madara's DNA in his body, and being in the verge of death. Contrary to the circumstances of Madara who was being overflowed by Yin powers, Hashirama should have a lot of Yang power plus both DNA in order to awake the Former Sage's body (since the Younger son inherited the Sage's body, but not the one with both DNA, but one with just Yang power).

If you look at these things with perspective, you could say that "Rinnegan" is just the most powerful doujutsu on the Narutoverse, but not the most powerful weapon inside. This is because the Sage's Body (by the concept of Yin and Yang) should match the powers of the Rinnegan.

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Let's look at this possibility with more perspective... Why would Orochimaru want Sasuke's body instead of just his eyes? He already had the requirements to get a Rinnegan of his own when he had Sasuke in his crew in part 1, so it wouldn't make sense him wanting just a pair of Rinnegan.

His objectives were to be immortal from the start, he wanted to have a perfect body for the sake of knowledge, to know the truth in the world. Sasuke's body and Sasuke's eyes would let him awake both Eyes and Body of the Sage.

Any thoughts about this theory?

 

[ShishaMastah420]

I think it's interesting what you say about the Sage's body part, maybe this is what Naruto will awaken with Kurama's yin charka, and in vice verse if per se the person who is walking towards Sasuke is Kabuto, Sasuke will awaken the Rinnegan, I think this might be how Kishi plans to have Madara defeated, but this is only if things are according to how you and I assume.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I think it's interesting what you say about the Sage's body part, maybe this is what Naruto will awaken with Kurama's yin charka, and in vice verse if per se the person who is walking towards Sasuke is Kabuto, Sasuke will awaken the Rinnegan, I think this might be how Kishi plans to have Madara defeated, but this is only if things are according to how you and I assume.

Taking in mind that Naruto is half Uzumaki (which are distant relatives to the Senju), he already meets the requirements of Senju Body. Now he needs Yin powers (from Yin Kurama) and Uchiha DNA to awake that power (he probably got that already when fighting with Obito, or Sasuke).

PS: Good point about Sasuke and Kabuto. He indeed had Zetsu at his hand to share some Senju DNA with Sasuke.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Taking in mind that Naruto is half Uzumaki (which are distant relatives to the Senju), he already meets the requirements of Senju Body. Now he needs Yin powers (from Yin Kurama) and Uchiha DNA to awake that power (he probably got that already when fighting with Obito, or Sasuke).

PS: Good point about Sasuke and Kabuto. He indeed had Zetsu at his hand to share some Senju DNA with Sasuke.

I don't think Uchiha DNA would be required to gain the Sage's body, since there hasn't been any Uchiha to my knowledge whose blood/DNA has exhibited any special properties such as Hashirama's DNA.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I thought oro's objective was to learn all the Jutsu in the world? anyways idk if uchiha dna carry any benefits like hashi's dna does .-.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I don't think Uchiha DNA would be required to gain the Sage's body, since there hasn't been any Uchiha to my knowledge whose blood/DNA has exhibited any special properties such as Hashirama's DNA.

I thought oro's objective was to learn all the Jutsu in the world? anyways idk if uchiha dna carry any benefits like hashi's dna does .-.

I beg you think outside the box.

Why would the Sharingan need Senju DNA to awake the Rinnegan?

Also, SwiftNinja... the objective of Orochimaru was knowledge. He didn't want to learn just jutsu, he wanted to learn the truth of the world.

His objectives were to be immortal from the start, he wanted to have a perfect body for the sake of knowledge, to know the truth in the world. Sasuke's body and Sasuke's eyes would let him awake both Eyes and Body of the Sage.

 

[take it easy]

i think that oro want sasuke body only for chance use his fushi tensei

 

[VongolaX]

So what do you make of "prime," Madara?

The one that transplanted senju dna, and had EMS for 75 years.

 

[Mr Hiru]

So what do you make of "prime," Madara?

The one that transplanted senju dna, and had EMS for 75 years.

He just met the requirement to awake the Rinnegan.

He had the Yin power (spiritual energy specifically), he had the new form of the Sage's Eyes (EMS), he had the Senju DNA, and he was in the verge of death.

As Madara was most influenced by the Yin powers, he naturally awakened the Rinnegan.

The reason of why Madara didn't awake the Sage's Body (having both Senju and Uchiha DNA) is because he lacked the Yang energy for this purpose (which was inherited by the Younger Son's lineage).

Take the formulae as the following:

Rinnegan + Sage's Body = Elder Son Doujutsu + Younger Son Body.

Rinnegan = Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA + Yin power + Verge of Death
Sage's Body = Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA + Yang power + Verge of Death

Elder Son's Doujutsu = Uchiha DNA + Yin power + ????
Younger Son's Body = Senju DNA + Yang power + ????

Sage of Six Paths = Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA + Yin power + Yang power.

The legacy in the sons:

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The components of Yin and Yang powers:

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The components of the Rinnegan:

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Take the components, play a bit with logic and maths... and you'll notice that fact. First, take in mind that you can NEVER divide perfectly Yin and Yang. Each living thing has a Yin (form) and Yang (life). This fact comes from the link I'm giving you in chapter 510. Think deep, and you'll find that each thing in Narutoverse follow the principle of balance and unbalance, more than just Yin and Yang. There are clans that have more Yang powers than Yin (as the Senju, or the Akimichi), and others that are more influenced by the Yin powers (as the Uchiha, or Nara). If the Sage had divided the powers of Yin and Yang perfectly, then:

The perfect Yin-influenced son would be a lifeless shape (a corpse)
The perfect Yang-influenced son would be nothing (he would try to give life to nothing? No Yin = no shape).

The dualism of Yin and Yang forces the co-existence of both powers, since they are cooperative concepts. But let's not get carried away with such definitions xD.

The Former Eyes of the Sage have a Yin and a Yang component (the Yin was manifested as the Elder Son's Doujutsu which were special and the Yang were manifested in the Younger Son Eyes which were common).

At the same time, the Former Body of the Sage have a Yin and a Yang component (the Yang was manifested as the Younger Son's Body which was special and the Yin was manifested as the Elder Son's Body which was common).

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Summing it up... old pal Madara awakening the Rinnegan is consistent with this theory.

 

[flyboyissac]

U.Elder eye power looks like an imperfect rinnegan

 

[Mr Hiru]

U.Elder eye power looks like an imperfect rinnegan

I wouldn't say that these eyes are an imperfect form of the Rinnegan. I would say that they are different, more specialized in the Yin powers of the Sage.

But you may be right about that.

What's really important about the Rinnegan over the Sharingan is its ability to give life to a lifeless corpse (this is the Yang component that was not inherited by the Elder Son's Lineage). In the other hand, Sharingan has a lot of Yin features that are way superior to the Rinnegan (for instance, advanced genjutsu)