[Theory] Madara & Obito Transformation

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Hello ima try to make this short

Upon researching there is a difference between there transformation all completely

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Obitos Transformtion

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Madara

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Madara:
His transformation was more fully and more formed but yet his items wasn't complete like obitos
1.Staff
2.Horn

Reason: Madara had his hatred which helped in this switch also to exclude his original rinnegan & the tailed beast this has caused the half transformation this cames from him not having both rinnegans

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Madara would be fully powered with his Left eye

Obito:
Obito transformation was in a incomplete form

How?

Because!

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Lack Of
2 rinnegans
All 9 beast chakras
Hatred

Obito also had his sharingan which made his horn dwarf

What he could have done

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If obito would have forgotten rin and let the juubi take over he wouldn't be zetsu puppet

Conclusion: Madara truly has the sages power inside of him now but obito was simply lacking hatred and picking love was suppressing his true form if he would have allowed the juubi to take over then maybe he could have become like madara

 

[Fair Warning]

Madara has hatred? I thought this whole genjutsu plan was for good?( at least in his eyes)

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Madara has hatred? I thought this whole genjutsu plan was for good?( at least in his eyes)

remeber Uchihas need hatred for there eyes look at obito who suppressed his hatred for love

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Madara only has half of the juubi remember The halve narusake cut out obito but the god tree has the other halve

 

[nandachikara]

Yeah i agree with all your point but one,the hatred aspect.the sage probably didn't have hatred but he still was able to attain a complete form.so i don't think hatred has any thing to do with madara or obito's incomplete form.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Madara only has half of the juubi remember The halve narusake cut out obito but the god tree has the other halve

Nope
Clearly shows madara absorbed all the 9 tailed beast just because it lacks the other half doesn't mean anything obito stated this

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Yeah i agree with all your point but one,the hatred aspect.the sage probably didn't have hatred but he still was able to attain a complete form.so i don't think hatred has any thing to do with madara or obito's incomplete form.

Thanks but this comes when tobirama explained and how obito was looking
Hatred = More powerful eyes

 

[KcMSean]

I think they look different because they had Rinnegan in different eyes. Similar to Kakashi and Obito with the different Sharingan having different Kamui powers. Maybe each Rinnegan when combined with the Juubi gives different abilities/look. Madara just looks more complete because he has more of the Juubi.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

I think they look different because they had Rinnegan in different eyes. Similar to Kakashi and Obito with the different Sharingan having different Kamui powers. Maybe each Rinnegan when combined with the Juubi gives different abilities/look. Madara just looks more complete because he has more of the Juubi.

Then madara should completely look like Juubito form since his left eye is gone
Obito had 2 eyes but lacked power in them so it safe to assumpt madara is now more powerful

 

[KcMSean]

Then madara should completely look like Juubito form since his left eye is gone
Obito had 2 eyes but lacked power in them so it safe to assumpt madara is now more powerful

I definitely think Madara is more powerful. But I think Obito looks more incomplete, due to having less complete Juubi. His "cloak" is half assed compared to Madara. They both have one rinnegan eye, Madara just has more Juubi thus looking closer to the sage. I dont think Obitos Sharingan had an effect on his transformation like the Rinnegan would. Theyre the eyes of a god.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

I definitely think Madara is more powerful. But I think Obito looks more incomplete, due to having less complete Juubi. His "cloak" is half assed compared to Madara. They both have one rinnegan eye, Madara just has more Juubi thus looking closer to the sage. I dont think Obitos Sharingan had an effect on his transformation like the Rinnegan would. Theyre the eyes of a god.

On Obito back the rinnegan had a tomoe image
On Madara back a full rinnegan

Madara has Senju+Uchiha Dna
Obito has Senju+Uchiha Dna

Obito form he had a fully formed staff & horns
Madara form he had a incomplete formed staff & 1 horn

By my statements its showed something is missing from both of them

I still believe in the hatred for the eyes because madara clearly showed new rinnegan techniques

 

[KcMSean]

On Obito back the rinnegan had a tomoe image
On Madara back a full rinnegan

Madara has Senju+Uchiha Dna
Obito has Senju+Uchiha Dna

Obito form he had a fully formed staff & horns
Madara form he had a incomplete formed staff & 1 horn

By my statements its showed something is missing from both of them

I still believe in the hatred for the eyes because madara clearly showed new rinnegan techniques

hatred may have played a part as well. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I disagreed with you, was just saying I think the different eyes and level of completion for the Juubi also played a part.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

hatred may have played a part as well. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I disagreed with you, was just saying I think the different eyes and level of completion for the Juubi also played a part.

Your good bro its just a theory

 

[VongolaX]

There is a difference in hatred and will.

When Obito was talking two naruto, he said he had the sages body and his will.

Madara has senjustu chakra and senju cells, so he has the sages body 99.8%

While Obito only has senju body 50%

^^Yang

Last is the will of the sage, which we all know that Madara is the generator for Will manifestation.
Along with the ocular eyes, making it 95%

Obito uses Madara's black rods, and had Madara's left eyes.
50%

^^Yin

Becoming the juubi's jinchuuriki is to top it off, and at that point they are about even.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

There is a difference in hatred and will.

When Obito was talking two naruto, he said he had the sages body and his will.

Madara has senjustu chakra and senju cells, so he has the sages body 99.8%

While Obito only has senju body 50%

^^Yang

Last is the will of the sage, which we all know that Madara is the generator for Will manifestation.
Along with the ocular eyes, making it 95%

Obito uses Madara's black rods, and had Madara's left eyes.
50%

^^Yin

Becoming the juubi's jinchuuriki is to top it off, and at that point they are about even.

:| ......................What?

 

[jaykuhz]

I have to disagree with the hatred part.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

I have to disagree with the hatred part.

Understandable

 

[VongolaX]

:| ......................What?

Will and body

To be complete, Madara needs...

Uchiha and senju power/DNA and senjustu chakra<---complete body

Both Rinnegan <--- Will

With the addition jinchuuriki of the juubi, to be on the sage's level.