[Spoilers] Kushina + extraction death.

[valandil988]

What Kurama just said about resealing part of his chakra in Naruto to save him....well I felt really let down by Kishi it goes against previous manga facts.

Kushina could have saved herself apparently by this logic just by resealing the kyuubi inside herself....OH but wait SHE WAS DIEING? From what???! The extraction of course, and if we follow Kurama's "plan" then Kushina killed herself & Minato for no goddamn reason WTF?

Naruto isn't even a full blooded Uzumaki but he can survive by this method where as his mother could not??

 

[Lucidus]

Seems like kishi has gone back on his own logic again.. a little disapointing but overall the chapter was quite good .. madara looks badass now reminded me a bit of grimjow xD

but again i agree its a little annoying naruto can be saved with something like that when his mother couldnt who seemed to have a more unique chakra than he does.. which karin is now displaying....

 

[thegame]

You are forgetting the most important fact here, bro.

Kushina was not a perfect Jinchuriki. Kurama would not willingly allow it.

Now Kurama has accepted Naruto, well you know the story.

 

[valandil988]

Seems like kishi has gone back on his own logic again.. a little disapointing but overall the chapter was quite good .. madara looks badass now reminded me a bit of grimjow xD

but again i agree its a little annoying naruto can be saved with something like that when his mother couldnt who seemed to have a more unique chakra than he does.. which karin is now displaying....

Exactly it really disappointed me that he just "forgot" his own logic....Now it makes Minato and Kushina look like idiots.

You are forgetting the most important fact here, bro.

Kushina was not a perfect Jinchuriki. Kurama would not willingly allow it.

Now Kurama has accepted Naruto, well you know the story.

And whats that got to do with anything? Willingly or not? Kurama wouldn't want to die, as shown by how he saved Naruto numerous times.

Hence by this logic Kushina could have lived. End of story manga fact.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

if you go back and see, Kushina had just enough strength left to just hold down the Kyuubi with her chains while Minato did his thing.
This was due to her just giving birth + losing the FULL kyuubi

Minato made that split decision to seal the Kyuubi in Naruto, as a means to battle The Masked Man, he split the chakra as the Full Kyuubi would be potentially overwhelming for a Newborn Half Uzumaki, [as we can see during his life he was barely containing a half Kyuubi prior to befriending Kurama]

Why he did not seal the other half in Kushina was probably because, he was performing THE REAPER DEATH SEAL PPL, which he needed to split the Kyuubi, and thus he had to seal it within himself, as shown by Hiruzen previously

and if you wanna blame plot, then i really just don't know what to say to you

 

[Lucidus]

You are forgetting the most important fact here, bro.

Kushina was not a perfect Jinchuriki. Kurama would not willingly allow it.

Now Kurama has accepted Naruto, well you know the story.

Kushina had the best compatibility.. also you said kurama wouldnt allow it ? where are u getting that from.. unless i missed something in the manga suggesting that Kurama wouldnt let her live :|

 

[valandil988]

if you go back and see, Kushina had just enough strength left to just hold down the Kyuubi with her chains while Minato did his thing.
This was due to her just giving birth + losing the FULL kyuubi

Minato made that split decision to seal the Kyuubi in Naruto, as a means to battle The Masked Man, he split the chakra as the Full Kyuubi would be potentially overwhelming for a Newborn Half Uzumaki, [as we can see during his life he was barely containing a half Kyuubi prior to befriending Kurama]

Why he did not seal the other half in Kushina was probably because, he was performing THE REAPER DEATH SEAL PPL, which he needed to split the Kyuubi, and thus he had to seal it within himself.

Nah Naruto is dieing! He would be dead right now if not for Sakura its that simple. IF Naruto has the ability to survive in this manner, sure as hell Kushina who is conscious and HOLDING down the fricken kyuubi on her own could survive in this manner as well.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

yeah i'm looking for explanations for myself.. that somehow it's different when the yang half is extracted but you put the yin half back...

though it's also still possible that after they've done it kurama mentions the gedou mazou arm cause it isn't working..

and of course kurama wasn't friendly with kushina.

 

[thegame]

And whats that got to do with anything? Willingly or not? Kurama wouldn't want to die, as shown by how he saved Naruto numerous times.

Hence by this logic Kushina could have lived. End of story manga fact.

Uhm, you can't just conclude that. When the seal is freed (like Naruto did or whatever it was) Kurama can release much more of his chakra. He can also do extreme healing, etc., which he couldn't before. You saw how much damage Kurama did to Naruto, when he took over his body and fought in his place.

It is by no means comparable to that situation, that is all I am saying. Kurama might have saved Naruto a few times, but that is also partly because deep inside him he felt bad for Naruto, his childhood, etc.. We saw that in Kurama's flashbacks.

So as long as it is a different situation, Kishi may easily change the facts. Stop crying about it.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Nah Naruto is dieing! He would be dead right now if not for Sakura its that simple. IF Naruto has the ability to survive in this manner, sure as hell Kushina who is conscious and HOLDING down the fricken kyuubi on her own could survive in this manner as well.

you haen't read what i wrote or understood.

Kushina was a FULL BLOODED UZUMAKI, her life force was greater than Naruto's.

Naruto just had an extraction of a HALF KYUUBI

Kushina had a FULL KYUUBI extracted, AAAAAAAAND, had just GIVEN BIRTH, she was at her most vunerable.

If you go back and read the Manga, she was struggling to even hold down the Kyuubi, compared to when she met Naruto later on.

So she could not seal the Kyuubi, she even asked what Minato planned to do.

as Minato used the forbidden Reaper seal, he HAD TO seal the other half within himself

And to top it off she was Stabbed with a claw the size of Konohamaru

 

[thegame]

Kushina had the best compatibility.. also you said kurama wouldnt allow it ? where are u getting that from.. unless i missed something in the manga suggesting that Kurama wouldnt let her live :|

Well do you think Kurama wanted to be sealed inside any person in the first place? No he despites humans, at least he did until Naruto changed him. That was also quite obvious as Kurama tried to Kill both Kushina and Minato. You might wanna stop whatever you are trying to point out U_U

 

[valandil988]

Uhm, you can't just conclude that. When the seal is freed (like Naruto did or whatever it was) Kurama can release much more of his chakra. He can also do extreme healing, etc., which he couldn't before. You saw how much damage Kurama did to Naruto, when he took over his body and fought in his place.

It is by no means comparable to that situation, that is all I am saying. Kurama might have saved Naruto a few times, but that is also partly because deep inside him he felt bad for Naruto, his childhood, etc.. We saw that in Kurama's flashbacks.

So as long as it is a different situation, Kishi may easily change the facts. Stop crying about it.

True but this still doesn't make any sense at all yes YANG kurama could do healing, but YIN?? No way it doesn't have enough life force.

Kurama FEARED being sealed again! If he feared it that meant he feared death as that would be the only way out of the seal. Hence he feared death. Kurama doesn't want to have to reconstitute himself. We don't know enough about the process to say its better than being in the seal.

I'm sorry i just don't agree with your reasoning. Its to convenient to just say that Minato and Kushina didn't have a choice.

 

[Mistraal]

but again i agree its a little annoying naruto can be saved with something like that when his mother couldnt who seemed to have a more unique chakra than he does.. which karin is now displaying....

Naruto has been shown to have regenerative qualities that Kushina does not. Methods of healing involving chakra weren't working so Sakura beating his heart for him to me seems like the equivalent of keeping him on a "machine" so to speak. He probably still runs the chance of going brain-dead if Gaara doesn't step on the gas.

 

[-ahhimane-]

I think that dying of the Jinchuuriki part is just SHINOBI-MADE.
Only the bijuus' knows what really happens and how the jinchuuriki can be saved if the bijuus wants to.

All of the jinchuurikis died because everyone had a weak life force unlike Uzumakis.
And hence only Uzumakis can possibly survive the extraction because they have some connection with the sage plus they have strong life force.

 

[valandil988]

you haen't read what i wrote or understood.

Kushina was a FULL BLOODED UZUMAKI, her life force was greater than Naruto's.

Naruto just had an extraction of a HALF KYUUBI

Kushina had a FULL KYUUBI extracted, AAAAAAAAND, had just GIVEN BIRTH, she was at her most vunerable.

If you go back and read the Manga, she was struggling to even hold down the Kyuubi, compared to when she met Naruto later on.

So she could not seal the Kyuubi, she even asked what Minato planned to do.

as Minato used the forbidden Reaper seal, he HAD TO seal the other half within himself

And to top it off she was Stabbed with a claw the size of Konohamaru

Go read the flashback sequence Kushina could have resealed the kyuubi inside herself and DIED. That's what she said. She was conscious and reasoning and holding back the strongest Biju! Are we reading the same manga here!??

Where as Naruto is unconscious and would be dead without the heart massage curtsey of Sakura. Does that sound BETTER than Kushina's situation??

Obviously Kushina could have lived by the same method!

 

[valandil988]

I think that dying of the Jinchuuriki part is just SHINOBI-MADE.
Only the bijuus' knows what really happens and how the jinchuuriki can be saved if the bijuus wants to.

All of the jinchuurikis died because everyone had a weak life force unlike Uzumakis.
And hence only Uzumakis can possibly survive the extraction because they have some connection with the sage plus they have strong life force.

So what your saying is Minato and Kushina were morons and could have survived yeah? Had they known they could have saved themselves?

 

[thegame]

True but this still doesn't make any sense at all yes YANG kurama could do healing, but YIN?? No way it doesn't have enough life force.

Kurama FEARED being sealed again! If he feared it that meant he feared death as that would be the only way out of the seal. Hence he feared death. Kurama doesn't want to have to reconstitute himself. We don't know enough about the process to say its better than being in the seal.

I'm sorry i just don't agree with your reasoning. Its to convenient to just say that Minato and Kushina didn't have a choice.

I don't think you can conclude, that Yin part of Kurama cannot heal Naruto though, we never had a clear explanation of how medical ninjutsu is done. Besides Naruto has plenty of yang chakra himself, Kurama could just take that. They share it willingly.

How could Kurama fear death? A Bijuu cannot die, it's made of chakra alone. Also why would Kurama want to save Kushina if he was sealed inside her? He tried to kill her to avoid being sealed again.

Anyway instead of questioning this, you should just wait for the next few chapters and see what happens. I doubt Kishi wont explain himself through Kurama or someone else. There is not even a guarantee, that it will work yet.


I do however wonder what will happen to Minato. He is basically a jinchuriki as well. It is also quite a mystery that he even has Kurama inside him... anyway we would expect that the same happens to him, as what happened to the jinchurikies Obito edo tenseid? But I doubt that, and thus we have another wtf..

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

i hope gedou mazou's arm will come into play, but i think the reason will be that kurama is friendly with naruto.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Go read the flashback sequence Kushina could have resealed the kyuubi inside herself and DIED. That's what she said. She was conscious and reasoning and holding back the strongest Biju! Are we reading the same manga here!??

Where as Naruto is unconscious and would be dead without the heart massage curtsey of Sakura. Does that sound BETTER than Kushina's situation??

Obviously Kushina could have lived by the same method!

dude we are misunderstanding each other, Naruto wouldn't survive due to him not being a fullblooded Uzumaki

 

[valandil988]

dude we are misunderstanding each other, Naruto wouldn't survive due to him not being a fullblooded Uzumaki

Eh so your saying What Naruto and CO are doing atm is pointless?? Obviously Naruto will survive. But all I'm saying is if Kushina had resealed the kyuubi inside herself. Which she offered to do. She would have lived, as she was in a much much better position than Naruto currently is, even with an unwilling Kurama.

i hope gedou mazou's arm will come into play, but i think the reason will be that kurama is friendly with naruto.

Seems a cop out to me. If Kushina hadn't been an important example in this it wouldn't have been an issue for me. I hope Yin Kurama says something about the Gedo arm then my faith in Kishi would be resolved. But atm I just feel annoyed.